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post #21 of 51
She is about a year old, and appears to have Aussie cattle dog/shepherd in her due to her colouring. She's got brownish/blackish ears and black "saddle" on the back, the rest is white but with cloudy spots (typical aussie type markings) in both grey and beige. She is very beautiful in the photos! I spoke with the rescue lady and her temperament seems like a great fit for us. She's in Washington and I'm planning to go down this Friday to get her. Unless she has been misrepresented I'll be bringing her home then!!

I'll check out those two book recommendations. I did get "The Art of Raising a Puppy" which was very good but since I'm not getting a pup it wasn't as relevant for me. I also read "Let the Dog Decide" and got some good ideas from that.

And thanks for the training recommendations. The DogSmart classes are a bit far away for us but Ann Jackson is close by! Thanks so much for that info! I might start with a PetSmart class just for the socialization aspect and then do one of Ann's classes in the Fall.

I can't wait to take her out to doggy places. I lived next to Trout Lake when I had my last dog and it was so much fun!
post #22 of 51
Originally Posted by robugmum View Post
Our little girl pup will be joining us at the end of July; she was born on June 1st.
Did I miss it? What kind of dog did you decide on?
post #23 of 51
Thread Starter 
We're getting a Standard Poodle from this breeder
Good friends of ours have one of their pups and he's wonderful.
post #24 of 51
Just promise me you won't get it a dorky haircut!

I actually met a couple of standards years ago and was impressed to see they were nothing like their little yappy counterparts. Smart dogs, fit...what colour is your puppy?
post #25 of 51
Thread Starter 
Absolutely no pom-poms - I promise! I actually like them either clipped short or left long and shaggy.
She's black!

We eventually decided on a Standard because of the following attributes:
easy to train
originally bred as a water retriever (we want a dog who likes to swim)

Also, this particular breeder is VERY careful about not inbreeding or linebreeding. Purebred dogs can have an inbreeding number of up to 18 or 25 which is the same as being half siblings. Both of our pups parents' numbers are around 1, which is like most humans. It made me feel better about getting a purebred dog, for allergy reasons. I originally wanted a mutt!
post #26 of 51
Originally Posted by Piglet68 View Post
And thanks for the training recommendations. The DogSmart classes are a bit far away for us but Ann Jackson is close by! Thanks so much for that info! I might start with a PetSmart class just for the socialization aspect and then do one of Ann's classes in the Fall.
If I were going to get a dog, I would love this gal to train it... (Joan Klucha)

I have seen her interviewed numerous times on the Fannie Keefer Show (on a community channel I used to have in Richmond...). She's very experienced, trained many dogs for the VPD, and just seemed really practical and firm about dogs and training responsibly. She's in North Vancouver, too, and writes in one of the N Van papers....

Her reading list suggested some titles I didn't see mentioned in this thread yet...click on "Training Tips" on the website, and scroll way down to the bottom.
post #27 of 51
thanks for the link, Autumn Mama!
post #28 of 51
Here's another one. Shannon is amazing with dogs! Don't know the other trainers, but they sound good too.
post #29 of 51
I have to tell you guys about my amazing find today: did you know there are FLUSHABLE dog waste baggies? Check out the info here.

But you can't order from them as they only ship within the US (ask me how I know!)...BUT after much searching I found out that they sell them at the DogSmart training place mentioned above. Their website is here and they have a store that apparently carries them.

I am SO happy because I was really miserable at the thought of dumping dog waste into the landfill!

And...tomorrow's the day I go to meet Rain!! (that's what I've named her, since her shelter name is "Rainy" and apparently she knows her name).
post #30 of 51
Thread Starter 
Wow! very very cool - I will definitely be picking some of those up!
post #31 of 51
Well, as you know from the main Vancouver thread I brought Rain home yesterday and she is settling in nicely. She is fabulous, no apparent vices, the only "challenge" is she is quite timid and submissive. But I'm sure with time she will gain confidence, especially with some training. She doesn't seem high energy at all, but it could be she is just still settling in. Also, she is a few pounds overweight and I'm guessing didn't get a high level of exercise at the shelter so hopefully with some "training" she will be able to run with me (I've taken a few days off myself since I have a touch of chest cold, so we'll both ease into it next week).

My kids were so-so about getting a dog but MAN are they happy! DD was so proud that she got to walk Rain to the park (the dog is so easy on the leash; she needs to learn a proper heel but she doesn't pull you along and one gentle tug gets her right back to your side).

We tried playing "Fetch" today but she wasn't interested in the ball or the Kong I bought her. At the park we discovered that she does like sticks, though! She doesn't retrieve though, which I've heard is a trait in submissive puppies (in the Art of Raising a Puppy book) so we'll work on that.

Proud mama am I!
post #32 of 51
Oh, Mariah, that is splendid!!! It's so fantastic that you were able to find such a lovely addition to your family so fast!

She is very purty!

Now, you have to try to find a book or method on developing attachment with a canine! There must be such a thing...

Can't wait to meet her someday!
post #33 of 51
Originally Posted by Autumn Mama View Post
Now, you have to try to find a book or method on developing attachment with a canine! There must be such a thing...
Actually there is - written by the Monks of New Skete - uses attachment with the trainer and the dog's innate desire to attach to a pack and behave appropriately to develop human-friendly behaviours.

The link google provided doesn't seem to be working at the moment, but there's a book.
post #34 of 51
I read the book based on robugmum's recommendation. It was a really interesting read, but since I wasn't getting a puppy alot of it was not going to be relevant for us. The stuff on training was good, though.

It's interesting to see how trainers differ in their approaches. The Monks seem to be in favour of some "correction" as they described it, probably using choke collars or something (which can be humanely used). Others espouse total "non-punitive" training techniques. There also seems to be those who say NEVER use treats as part of training and others who say you need to.

Then there's the whole "alpha" issue, which some people question as an appropriate technique for humans (I've heard the same argument with horses). Some people say never use those methods, others seem to emphasize the human has to be alpha, etc.

It's all interesting and I suppose, like parenting, you have to know your dog and what will suit your personality (ie. I am just not a hard-core disciplinarian, y'know?).
post #35 of 51
Thread Starter 
Actually, I didn't recommend the Monk's book! I haven't read it yet!
The two I am currently reading are The Loved Dog, by Tamar Geller (recommended by a friend) and The Dog Training for Dummies by Jack and Wendy Volhard (recommended by our breeder).
The Loved Dog is pretty good, Piglet, you would like it. She is very, very gentle and not at all into corporal discipline. My only critique is that she is a real celebrity name dropper and goes into way too much detail about her abusive childhood, yada yada yada! If you can ignore those parts its well worth reading!
The Dummies book is good too. A little more broad in its definition of non violent dog training, but seems based on finding the best motivational techniques for your particular dog.
post #36 of 51
Well, I'll be interested to hear what sort of training you decide on, Maegan.

Since Rain is so timid and submissive, any sort of physical coercion is out of the question. On a more dominant dog I might use a choke-chain for quick corrections...

...like I saw this lady yesterday with a very hyper, large dog who was basically running circles around her, tangling her up in the leash, while jumping up - all because we were walking by. She had been getting him to sit by offering him treats but when he saw us he could have cared less about them. I felt bad for her - so much work! But the treat thing seemed like not a good choice for that particular dog, kwim? I think a quick snap on a training collar would get his attention better.

I've started doing recalls with Rain alot, as was mentioned in both Let the Dog Decide and The Art of Raising a Puppy. When we're out in the yard she has a long line attached (30 ft) and every now and then I call her "Rain, Come" and if she doesn't come I can give the long line a gentle tug, so I never have to ask more than once. I do this when out walking on the leash, too. She comes pretty much every time, but I am not bold enough to try her off-leash just yet!

She's such a suck that just a "Good Girl" and a pat on the head seems to be all the reward she needs!
post #37 of 51
Thread Starter 
I have never really trained a dog before so I am a complete newbie! I will be looking to you for advice - I'm pretty sure!

Do you want to see some photos of our pup? check out
scroll down until you come to the big black girl going home with Maegen, H, R, M and O from Vancouver! I think she's beautiful!
post #38 of 51
Oh, Maegen, she is gorgeous! And what lovely fur already!! Standards are such proud, beautiful dogs!

When I had my last dog I used a choke collar for training, which we did via a class. The instructor showed us how to use it. It seemed to work well for our dog, and we did training sessions every day. She was a great dog and very well-trained. We could take her anywhere.

However, looking back I wish I'd known of a different way than the collar. I don't think it was necessary for her, though I think for some really overbearing dogs it can be useful. It's also just not my personal style (especially since becoming a Mama!) to use punishment.

So I'm looking for something else. So far just using praise is working well with Rain b/c she responds so well to it. We are working on having her come when called reliably. Today in the forest we were on a wide trail and I dropped her leash to see how she'd respond. She sticks close to us and if she wanders ahead she will stop and wait for us, lol. She came 9/10 times, the one time I just picked up the leash and gave it a gentle tug and she came right over. She also sits as soon as she comes.

I am now working on "down", etc but really want to get into a class before progressing much further as I don't want to screw it up, lol. I've never had a timid dog before and I'd like some professional advice on how to train her. Thing is, I don't want to commit to summer classes since we want to go camping alot, lol. And the "real trainers" (linked to above) don't have room until September classes.
post #39 of 51
Congratulations, both of you, on the new additions - they are both lovely! Almost makes me want to get one...but no, not until after the summer...

I have a question for you all about vaccinations...do you do them for your dogs? I know a lot of you don't believe in using them to keep your family healthy - are dogs any different? Are there alternatives, homeopathics for dogs? Or can you just use diet & exercise as you would for yourself?
post #40 of 51
Helen: my dog got all her first-year shots. Rescue shelters, etc are required to do that. And I had to get her a rabies shot to bring her across the US border.

There are those who do not vaccinate their dogs, and the arguments are pretty much the same as those for not vaccinating kids.

I don't think any of the dogs in my life have ever been vaxed past puppyhood. We've never treated for heartworm or any of those other things. As with people, I think there's a lot of "gratuitous" vaxing promoted by the companies that make them. So I plan to research anything that is recommended for dogs, but unless it's something I need to worry about in this part of the world, I probably won't bother.
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