Everything one needs to know about stomach acid - Page 2

[TzippityDoulah]

oh this is SO interesting!!!

I have had stomach problems for as long as I can remember. seem to be linked to my liver - I take dandelion root and milk thistle and it helps a good bit. but now I am pregnant and it's not enough. I'm taking zantac 3 times a day b/c I will vomit off of the stomach acid coming up. and I realize pregnancy and the relaxation of the sphincter, but it's SO bad. I take tums through out the day and sip on baking soda water. I KNOW this isn't a good idea... but the pain is intolerable and makes me puke. I have been trying to find better ways to deal with it.

an another note I also have "fructose intolerance". I cant eat anything with fructose in it or I get a very hypoglycemic reaction - low blood sugar, shaking, head ache, buzzing ears, I puke, diarrhea, itchy skin, excema... within seconds of it being in my mouth and it lasts for hours. (sometimes this happens even if I smell it) and it's worse when pregnant. been this way since I was little.... and I wonder if there is any correlation between the two?

anyhow this thread is awesome!

[kimkenkat]

This thread interests me too - I have been recently diagnosed with reflux, and had a schatzki's ring dilated. I noticed w/ea. pregnancy (3) that my heartburn got worse. I do have a small hernia, but most people who have hernias aren't aware of them, so I know that is not the sole culprit. I was interested to note the trouble with egg whites that some have had. I've had gray hair since I was 21. I've also had more immunizations than most, and had a strong reaction once, so I've kind of been going along thinking maybe they affected me for the long run...although the story goes that I couldn't tolerate dairy-based formula and had to be fed soy. Maybe I WAS born with it! Anway - this thread IS awesome! Thanks!

[Theloose]

I've been learning about stomach acid in class. Basically, that it's released in response to histamine, acetylcholine (the neurotransmitter associated with the parasympathetic 'rest and digest' nervous system), and gastrin. Gastrin comes from G cells. Among other things, gastrin also contracts the lower esophageal sphincter - the one that isn't working properly with reflux.

I'm still looking up more, but here's an article that promises to be interesting if you can understand it
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...i?artid=409853

I'm really excited by this

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by HennyPenny

an another note I also have "fructose intolerance". I cant eat anything with fructose in it or I get a very hypoglycemic reaction - low blood sugar, shaking, head ache, buzzing ears, I puke, diarrhea, itchy skin, excema... within seconds of it being in my mouth and it lasts for hours. (sometimes this happens even if I smell it) and it's worse when pregnant. been this way since I was little.... and I wonder if there is any correlation between the two?

I've never heard of this being connected to fructose. Might it be Oral Allergy Syndrome? http://allergies.about.com/od/foodallergies/a/oas.htm

[Theloose]

Stomach acid poll

eta and a cool link about gastrin
http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks...i/gastrin.html

[Toolip]

Originally Posted by whoMe

Stomach acid poll

eta and a cool link about gastrin
http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks...i/gastrin.html

I took it!

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by Toolip

I took it!

More random info:
"Gastrin and cholecystokinin (CCK) are more active when sulphated."
http://www.healthgeneration.com/inde...ask=view&id=55

Sulfate deficiency is associated with low sulfur intake and/or low sulfoxidation. So if you have reflux and asthma and joint problems, molybdenum would be a good nutrient to consider.

[quietserena]

I keep meaning to come back to this thread and post.

I don't know what's happened but since I've posted here, I've had terrible indigestion and just upset stomach all around. I've had an ulcer diagnosis on and off over the yeras since I was a kid and I'm getting the same sort of a pain as I used to when that diagnosis was made. We had beets in the veggie roast.. and i failed it with.. um flying colors.

So something is definitely messed up. I'm thinking, I need more ACV at least. I take it in water. I think I'm going to make sure I have a salad regularly too since I put it in my salad dressing too and I try to eat my salad with a spoon so all the dressing gets eaten up too.

I've been against introducing supplements for so long, but the idea of betaine hcl seems intriguing.

So, I'm still researching. It's been years since I've had these problems and I thought I took care of it.. :

[Toolip]

So do beets turning your poop red mean anything?

[Theloose]

cross linking the iodine thread... (and very much truncating!)

Originally Posted by ChristSavesAll

Several human organs need iodine but can not absorb it until blood iodine levels reach high values (stomach, salivary glands). Most persons exhibit impaired production of stomach acid as they age. This impaired capability to produce adequate stomach acid may be a result of iodine deficiency as iodine promotes stomach acidity." (Per http://www.vickeryseaplantminerals.com/Page.html)

[ryleigh'smama]

This is so interesting! I have been taking Zypan for stomach acid issues for a few months, I recently took an iodine test and was pretty deficient so I am supplementing with Standard Process iodine. I did pass the beet test last week....hmmm. Trying to put it all together.

[mamafish9]

DS (2yo and autistic) failed the beet test today. I just started him a few days ago on fancy liquid vitamins that are supposed to be extremely bioavailable, and I ordered kefir grains and yogurt culture today (I think that will be easier for him than fermented veggies).

One thing I just read is that food sits in your stomach for quite a while before the HCl is actually released. In the past, natural enzymes in our food and from chewing would break down the food up to 75%, so HCl would have an easier job to do. Overprocessed and overcooked foods don't have active enzymes, and don't require much chewing, so this first part doesn't work very well. That seems to be part of how taking digestive enzymes and fermented foods can be so helpful - then you don't need as much HCl to end up with well digested food.

That said, I think HCl helps activate pepsin, which is the major enzyme to break down protein - so I should be able to help my son's casein intolerance by supporting HCl production.

Now to try the beet test with kefir (I want to see what happens now, and then try it again after a month or so of trying to support his stomach environment).

And for those of you asking on the beet test, I sliced them thin, tossed them in oil and salt, and roasted in the oven. Yummy! For DS, I chopped up the roasted stuff and cooked it into a fritter with some carrot and egg - so he probably got less than a teaspoon of beet, and had distinctly red/orange pee from that little.

ETA: EEP!!! WhoMe, you sent me to a thread in a new forum!!! (That's just what I need, another forum to monitor, LOL).

However, betcha this is just the place to ask all my newbie questions about soaking grains and sourdough and stuff...

[Lady Lilya]

I passed the beet test twice. I roasted 3 medium beats in the oven, and then ate 1.5 of them (thinking I would give DH the beet test with the other 1.5).

I couldn't believe no pink pee! So, I ended up 12 hours later eating DH's share of the beets. That time, i peed into a white plastic cup and scrutinized under strong light. Nope!

But I am fairly certain my stomach acid and enzymes are wacky.

[Theloose]

Yeah, sorry, new subforum. They'll set you up with soaking info for sure, though. That's really helpful information that just a teaspoon or so was enough to change his pee! We pass (well dd and I, not dh ) over here so I can't do much experimenting.

Leigh, there are a bunch of places to decolor the beets, so my conclusion here was that passing doesn't tell you much - unless you failed, worked on HCl, then passed.

[Lady Lilya]

Yeah, that's what I figured.

[Theloose]

copying from the iodine thread:

Originally Posted by Pattyla

So did I mention on this thread or another one that hypothyroidism is connected to low gastrin. Low gastrin can cause reflux (gastrin causes your sphincters in your stomach to open and close. It also triggers stomach acid formation.) I don't know why hypothyroidism causes low gastrin but it seems to be pretty common knowledge that they are connected.

If your gastrin is too high/doesn't fall you end up with a motility issue. Your stomach doesn't empty because the sphincter doesn't open. This can cause reflux when your stomach gets over full. We think this is what is happening with my LO right now. If you have too little gastrin you will have reflux because the sphincter on the top doesn't close properly and acid can splash up. Also you may have fast motility and lots of undigested foods passing through your system both because the sphincters aren't closing and because you aren't making much acid to do the first job of breaking food down.

: I love figuring things out.

For now I'm massaging stomach 36 (I think that is the right number, it is right below the knee on the front) on dd to help get her stomach working better, testing her iodine, and giving her a homeopathc pancreas/metoric iron. Also if we still have issues I may try giving her an antacid 2 hours after a meal to see if dropping her stomach acid levels may trigger her lower sphincter to open and get things moving along.

[Pattyla]

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[Toolip]

Does anyone know how to introduce betaine hcl and how to figure out the dose you need? I know it's been mentioned but wasn't really described.

Also, is there a particular brand that anyone would recommend?

[WuWei]

Bumping.


Pat

[Toolip]

My mom broke her arm recently and has just started physical therapy. Her PT asked her when she went grey because going grey in your thirties is a precursor to osteoporosis. I thought that was so interesting!

So, I've got many more grey hairs then I would like and I've been taking HCL, but maybe not enough. It really does make sense that I'm not absorbing my food properly but I don't know if it's really a stomach acid problem or if it is somewhere else down the line. I've also heard that it has something to do with poor assimilation in the small intestine but I don't really know what to do about that.

I'm not really getting a "fizzing" feeling, I'm taking 3 per meal right now. When I first started taking it I had horrible, HORRIBLE gas. Couldn't sleep at night, bloated, farts that would drive the cats out of the room. I had to take a break for a few days because I couldn't take the stink! It's fine now and that never happens. Anyone know what that could be from?

I really want to do everything I can to keep my bones strong. My grandma has such horrible osteoporosis now and she did everything "right." Lots of milk, weight bearing exercise, etc... Until I starting learning about stomach acid, I didn't really think there was anything that I would do. I just thought it was genetic. Now I feel hopeful but still at a loss of what to do!

Thanks!