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post #41 of 68
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Originally Posted by caro113 View Post
Ditto. I do the same thing all the time, especially in the car. It really annoys people too and I don't get it. Even the few times I drive I pull the seat all the way up, and I'm not short (5' 7"). : Oh well
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I know this is OT but wanted to point out...Are you talking about moving the drivers seat as close as possible to the front? I read somewhere...on my car's sunvisor or manual I think...that because of the airbags, you should sit as far back as possible from the steering wheel. Unless you don't have airbags. Also, I think your legs etc are at greater risk for injury in an accident when you sit closer than you need to be.
post #42 of 68
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Originally Posted by vbactivist View Post
I'm confused--you're glad there's no requirement?
post #43 of 68
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Originally Posted by goodheartedmama View Post
I'm confused--you're glad there's no requirement?
I think she meant because otherwise she would be breaking the law every time she sat in a parked but running car nursing her baby.
post #44 of 68
Interesting! Now when are they going to up the recommended length of time for breastfeeding?
post #45 of 68
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Originally Posted by Shelsi View Post
I think she meant because otherwise she would be breaking the law every time she sat in a parked but running car nursing her baby.
I don't think so. The applauding was posted in response to my statement where she bolded the part where I said NY has no rear-facing requirement at all, just a "properly restrained" law. (Which, for the record, I personally don't consider to be a good thing at all.)
post #46 of 68
I really hope this doesn't become a requirement (i.e., law). I agree that RF is best, to the height and weight limits, *almost* always. However, I came here and to other forums, some specifically focused just on carseat safety, with the problems I had keeping my then-18 month old daughter in her RF convertible seat. The problem was that she was a houdini. Not only could she get her arms out - no matter how snug you made the straps - once she had her arms loose, when RF she would push up and out of the seat almost instantly. I contacted the manufacturer (Britax) and they had no suggestions. I tried everything I could think of and everything that was suggested. I even contemplated essentially sewing her into the thing, but felt that it would be too difficult to remove her in an emergency.

She also screamed hysterically and fought terribly hard any time we put her into the seat. It was heartbreaking. We minimized car travel as much as possible but our area is not served by public transportation and nothing is within walking distance.

Since she had passed the age and weight recommendations, we decided, reluctantly, to try FF. She stopped screaming and being hysterical about being put in the seat immediately. She was unable to push up and out of the seat, so while she still sometimes got her arms free, we had time to pull over and stop and get her in again before she was actually out of the seat.

She was about 19 mos at the time. I really don't regret it. We wanted to FF longer but it really seemed more unsafe to RF because she was so unhappy and escaping from the seat.

She's 3 and she's small enough that we could turn her RF again, but I'm wary of what her reaction would be. I've considered trying it. I may try it.

All I'm saying is that recommendations in situations like this are often better than laws, because laws don't take any individual situations into account. There should be some flexibility.

ETA: My son is totally different in the seat. He turned 1 recently and I anticipate keeping him RF to the limit (35 lbs). We aren't having ANY of the same problems.
post #47 of 68
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Originally Posted by goodheartedmama View Post
I'm confused--you're glad there's no requirement?
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Originally Posted by Romana9+2 View Post
All I'm saying is that recommendations in situations like this are often better than laws, because laws don't take any individual situations into account. There should be some flexibility.
I agree with Ramona. We certainly don't need more legislation in this country.
post #48 of 68
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Originally Posted by ishyfishie View Post
I don't think so. The applauding was posted in response to my statement where she bolded the part where I said NY has no rear-facing requirement at all, just a "properly restrained" law. (Which, for the record, I personally don't consider to be a good thing at all.)
If the NY law is written as a "proper use" law, then that would make rear-facing until age 1 and 20 pounds, if not longer, the only legal option. No car seats let you forward-face before 1 and 20, and some manufacturers have additional forward-facing limits that children won't reach until after a year or even two years (height minimum, age minimum, weight minimum). So, even a "properly retrained" law can mandate a minimum rear-facing time period, thankfully!
post #49 of 68
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Originally Posted by vbactivist View Post
I agree with Ramona. We certainly don't need more legislation in this country.
But we already have car seat legislation and it's outdated. If we're going to have it, it may as well be in the best interest of the public and based on current recommendations and research.
post #50 of 68
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Originally Posted by ishyfishie View Post
I don't think so. The applauding was posted in response to my statement where she bolded the part where I said NY has no rear-facing requirement at all, just a "properly restrained" law. (Which, for the record, I personally don't consider to be a good thing at all.)
Apologies im advamce, missimg key mext to m.

Actually, "properly restraimed" is pretty good. There is mo curremt seat that allows forward-facimg before 1 year amd 20 poumds (mamy are 22 poumds), amd some have a 34" requirememt as well. If the seat is used agaimst those directioms, it is mot properly used, therefore illegal.
post #51 of 68
I am so glad to see this. One of my sitters kept my DD RF tell 2 and I have but I only had FF seats at the time.I am also harnessing as long as possible. I am going to pass this on to my other sitter who thinks I am nuts.
post #52 of 68
Michigan is another proper use state, and I sure hope that as this becomes AAP policy, the car seats will be stickered to read "to be used rear-facing until 2 and 30" instead of "1 and 20" that would, in effect, make it illegal to forward-face before 2.

And for the record, I completely disagree with vbactivist. Laws are there to protect people too little to protect themselves. If parents aren't willing to keep their children safe, I'm glad the law does. There is nothing subjective about car seats, like there are with vaccines.

Car seats keep kids safer. Infants and toddlers are safest rear facing. No debate, no arguing about this point.
post #53 of 68
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Originally Posted by ilovemyavery View Post
There is nothing subjective about car seats, like there are with vaccines.

Car seats keep kids safer. Infants and toddlers are safest rear facing. No debate, no arguing about this point.
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I am ecstatic to see that the AAP has changed their recommendation and I hope the law and CR manufacturers follow suit. We need some seats that go beyond 35lbs RF'ing in the US.
post #54 of 68
I get the argument, I guess, but like someone else said, it's not as subjective as vaccines. There's no denying that it's safer. Parents just aren't going to pay attention until it's the law, though. I don't know how I really feel when I start to think about it, but there HAS to be some laws in place in order to protect our children. The question is--what should be left up to parent discretion, and what should be mandated by law in order to protect children when their parents refuse to?
post #55 of 68
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Originally Posted by ilovemyavery View Post
Michigan is another proper use state, and I sure hope that as this becomes AAP policy, the car seats will be stickered to read "to be used rear-facing until 2 and 30" instead of "1 and 20" that would, in effect, make it illegal to forward-face before 2.
Right, but the rf weight limits would really need to be increased if it was 2 AND 30. DS just turned 2 and weighs 38 pounds; if he had been rf up to age 2, he would have been rf above the rf weight limit for several months.
post #56 of 68
Hopefully manufacturers will start putting seats on the market in the US that will allow rear facing longer so the bigger kids can remain so. I agree that the law doesn't go far enough, and that the littlest members of our society need protection. Not all parents are doing what they can to keep their children safe in cars, and the children end up paying the price.
post #57 of 68
Two OR 30 pounds would be ideal...my DD is 25 months and 21 pounds so we'll get eons out of a 35 lb seat.

The proper use clause is a very good thing, but unforntunately most people see it as "oh yay there is no minimum to FF anymore". Well, the intent was to encourage ERF, since most manufacturers recommend it, and ALL manufacturers require one year AND 20 (or 22/23 pounds, or 34 inches, or what have you) to FF.
post #58 of 68
I didn't realize the seats themselves say 1 and 20 lbs, I was thinking they only mentioned weight! That's good, then, I'll pass that along.

I agree that "2 or 30 lbs" (or something along those lines) would be a better way to word it if it became law.
post #59 of 68
This is terrific news. If the standard had existed a few months ago I probably would have been able to persuade DS that another rf car seat was in order.

With this news in mind, does anyone have a handy guide to carseats with the highest height and weight limits? I would like to cross-post to a couple of other boards I read with new mommas, off-mothering land.
post #60 of 68
The seats that will get you the most time RF'ing are the following (descending order, and all have 35 pound RF'ing weight limits and harness to at least 50 lbs):

First Years True Fit
Sunshine Kids Radian
Recaro Como and Signo
Evenflo Triumph Advance
the *new* Dorel 3-in-1 seats (AOE, Eddie Bauer, etc)
Britax Marathon, Boulevard, and Decathlon
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