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post #1 of 24
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After pre-registering at the hospital for the birth of our son in a few weeks and letting them know I did not want Vit K shots (requested oral doses instead), the nurse encouraged me to check with his ped on whether or not dr. would conduct the circumcision without the shots.

So I called the ped office and they suggested I send an e-mail to the doc and visit the website, which I visited. While there I found a link to "patient education" and "concerns about vaccines/autism". Long story short, it seems they are super pro-vaccine with some interesting language on the page:

"If you do not plan on having your infant vaccinated according to one of our schedules, or not at all, then we respectfully ask you to find a physician who is willing to take this risk with you."

and

"As a courtesy to our parents, we will recognize and allow an “alternate” vaccine schedule. Please be advised this is your choice, NOT our recommendation. We do not apologize for any increased cost or inconvenience to you for choosing the alternate schedule which may also result in increased co-pays and may increase the number of visits to our office. Please check with your insurance company as many will not pay for the increase in office visits.

If you select the alternate vaccine schedule, you will be required to sign a waiver which states that you recognize and accept any and all responsibility for the risk to your child, or to other children your child may expose if they contract a vaccine preventable disease and that your child must have all immunizations completed by 18 to 23 months of age.

We reserve the right to dismiss any family from our practice who is not completing vaccines in good faith on the schedules we recognize.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask, but do not negotiate with us regarding your child’s health and future well being. Our position is firm."

Wow, my jaw just hit the floor when I read this. DD has been a patient there for over 3 years and is up to date on her shots (regretfully). So now I am considering switching peds but would like to find a selective/delay friendly doc here in Kansas City.

I have done searches online can't seem to find much. I found Dr. Sears list, and theri is one in the KC area, but I researched him and if I am not mistaken he also has a costmetic office that does botox, etc which I found strange....

Anyone have any links to a database of docs??

TIA!:
post #2 of 24
I know of no other databases other than the Dr. Sears one. Go to the "Find Your Tribe" forum, click on your region, and post the same question. Sometimes there are Yahoo groups for "natural families" in different regions, so you may want to do a search there and see if it's worth posting. Word of mouth is a powerful tool, and like-minded mamas in your area may know just who to go to.

FWIW, you are not "required" to sign any waiver and have every right to refuse. You may want to make the practice aware that they are in violation of the AAP request to take on non-vaxed patients who (by pro-vax "logic") should need medical care more than anybody. But you don't have to raise a stink either.

Good luck!
post #3 of 24
Generationrescue used to have a database of docs up but the last time I went on the site it was no longer there. I believe I still have the print out from when I started my research last year. Let me know what state you are in and I will see if I still have the info.
post #4 of 24
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Originally Posted by Turquesa View Post
I know of no other databases other than the Dr. Sears one. Go to the "Find Your Tribe" forum, click on your region, and post the same question. Sometimes there are Yahoo groups for "natural families" in different regions, so you may want to do a search there and see if it's worth posting. Word of mouth is a powerful tool, and like-minded mamas in your area may know just who to go to.

FWIW, you are not "required" to sign any waiver and have every right to refuse. You may want to make the practice aware that they are in violation of the AAP request to take on non-vaxed patients who (by pro-vax "logic") should need medical care more than anybody. But you don't have to raise a stink either.

Good luck!
Thanks! I checked out a previous post asking the same question for my area...funny how it is like having to network through underground means....

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Originally Posted by gbailey View Post
Generationrescue used to have a database of docs up but the last time I went on the site it was no longer there. I believe I still have the print out from when I started my research last year. Let me know what state you are in and I will see if I still have the info.
Either KS or MO. Kansas City Metro covers both states. Thanks!
post #5 of 24
You're not planning to circumcise, are you?

-Angela
post #6 of 24
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Originally Posted by natural4mybabies View Post
Thanks! I checked out a previous post asking the same question for my area...funny how it is like having to network through underground means....



Either KS or MO. Kansas City Metro covers both states. Thanks!
Hi again. I checked my list and unfortunately, I only printed out the info for New York. Wish I could have been more help.
post #7 of 24
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You're not planning to circumcise, are you?

-Angela
What's wrong with circumcizing? I have a daughter so this wasn't something we had to think about it but I've seen it mentioned on this site as a negative and I would love more info.
post #8 of 24
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What's wrong with circumcizing? I have a daughter so this wasn't something we had to think about it but I've seen it mentioned on this site as a negative and I would love more info.
It's unnecessary and flat-out dreadful. Head over to the case against circumcision for tons of info.

-Angela
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post
It's unnecessary and flat-out dreadful. Head over to the case against circumcision for tons of info.

-Angela
Thanks!
post #10 of 24
here's another list of no vax or S/D friendly docs, you can also check your local API or NFL groups:

http://www.cafemom.com/group/4388/fo...List_Directory

And yes PLEASE visit the circumcision forum for more information. You don't want to do something that you - or more importantly, your son - will regret:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...splay.php?f=44
post #11 of 24
Please don't let them cut into your baby's genitals!

If you don't allow the circumcision, you won't even have to worry about the shots. You can just vehemently refuse all of this unnecessary mess...in writing, I might add. Put it in writing, make copies, give them out to everyone and anyone who will be caring for you and/or your son at the hospital. And make your significant other or other support person such as your mom or a sibling follow the baby around at all times. Do not let them take your baby away unsupervised! They will do things to your baby that you don't want them to do. I can almost promise you this.
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by Ophelia View Post
here's another list of no vax or S/D friendly docs, you can also check your local API or NFL groups:

http://www.cafemom.com/group/4388/fo...List_Directory

And yes PLEASE visit the circumcision forum for more information. You don't want to do something that you - or more importantly, your son - will regret:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...splay.php?f=44
Thanks for that list link, that is fantastic! There are 2 doc in the KC area on that list. One would be a longer drive, but definitely worth it!

And that MSNBC article on the circ board took my breath away when I read about those baby boys being cut. I am going to have to discuss further with DH. Any tips on how to approach this with him? He is very conventional and trusts medical practices a little too much imo.
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by natural4mybabies View Post
Thanks for that list link, that is fantastic! There are 2 doc in the KC area on that list. One would be a longer drive, but definitely worth it!

And that MSNBC article on the circ board took my breath away when I read about those baby boys being cut. I am going to have to discuss further with DH. Any tips on how to approach this with him? He is very conventional and trusts medical practices a little too much imo.
Let him watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxFJWT5df2k

This is 1980...they've known for years that it's not necessary.
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post #15 of 24
I like this one too...this one is actually funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XetnG...eature=related
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by natural4mybabies View Post

We do not apologize for any increased cost or inconvenience to you for choosing the alternate schedule which may also result in increased co-pays and may increase the number of visits to our office.


Isn't it illegal for them to do the bolded part, insurance companies set co pays not the drs.
post #17 of 24
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Isn't it illegal for them to do the bolded part, insurance companies set co pays not the drs.

It looks to me to mean the increased number of co-pays. I could be wrong, though.
post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by gbailey View Post
What's wrong with circumcizing? I have a daughter so this wasn't something we had to think about it but I've seen it mentioned on this site as a negative and I would love more info.


It's cosmetic surgery for one, if boys were ment to be circ'd they'd be born that way.
post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by emma1325 View Post
It looks to me to mean the increased number of co-pays. I could be wrong, though.


So they implying because a child isn't vax'd they'd be in the drs office more often and the reason for more copays.

post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by SoCaliMommy View Post


Isn't it illegal for them to do the bolded part, insurance companies set co pays not the drs.
I think they meant increased number of co-pays, not the amount itself?
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