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Top 5 compelling reasons NOT to vaccinate?

post #1 of 60
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If you were speaking with someone who didn't know much but was open to listening, according to your own research and logic, what are the top 5 reasons not to vaccinate?
post #2 of 60
1. It's unnatural. The body better inoculates itself when naturally exposed to diseases, rather than artificially doing it.

2. They are unnecessary. The human race has survived this long without them. They were only introduced in 60s (possibly the 50s but I'm pretty sure the 60s).

3. They screw up our children. Amazing how neurological disorders and cancer practically didn't exist until we started giving women all these drugs to "cope" with labour and delivery and started injected all this crap into our children through vaccines.

4. Do you know what's in them? That right there is enough to make anyone cringe. They contain aluminum, formaldehyde, pigs' stomach, aborted fetuses, mercury (and mercury derivatives), among other things. Do you really want that in your child's system? Seriously?

5. My baby was born perfect; I'm not going to manipulate her body in any way. (This is also my argument for keeping children intact)

6. In countries where babies are not vaccinated, are breastfeed, are sharing the family bed, infant death is extremely low. You could said SIDS decreases, assuming you believe in SIDS.

HTH
post #3 of 60
Risks of vaxes outweigh benefits

-Angela
post #4 of 60
After watching Dr. Sherri Tenpenny's DVD I would say:

1) They are not safe- The safety isn't tested vaccine against placebo, it's vaccine against another vaccine

2) They are not effective- they produce antibodies but don't prevent the illness

3) Illnesses including small pox, measles and polio were naturally on the decine before the vaccines were introduced

4) The information put out is deceptive for example such as before the polio vaccine was introduced coxackie and another illness were included in polio cases- after the polio vaccine these 2 illness was not included

5) There have been many studies that link vaccine to immune system diseases such as diabetes, allergies, cancer (SV40) etc.

bonus Our future will be scary because now people are getting chicken pox, measles etc as adults after their vaccines wear off. Getting the illness as a child is a lot easier and gives life long immunity
post #5 of 60
1. We have an amazing array of choices and resources available to use to support our children and ourselves through illness. This is the best time in the history of the planet to not vaccinate.

2. The number of unknowns as to how vaccines work is significant. There's a lot learned about new vaccines post-licensure, just by watching the masses that are vaccinated. That's disturbing both from the scientific perspective and from the ethical perspective.

3. Several of the vaccines on the current schedule are there for economic rather than health reasons. I feel this is deeply immoral, to shift risk to our children in order to save money (or protect adults--again, shifting risk from adults to children is just wrong).

4. There's growing evidence that vaccines are triggering chronic health problems and autoimmune issues in some people.
post #6 of 60
1. The ingredient list. No studies will ever convince me that it is a good idea to inject those ingredients into any human body.

2. You can't beat mother nature. The vaccines barely work, the diseases just play "survival of the fittest", and the diseases are getting stronger. And we need the diseases to be around (but not in their altered states)... it's what gives us natural boosters and keeps the diseases from resurfacing in adults.

3. The diseases don't work. Most of the people who don't get VPDs would probably not get them regardless of their vax status.

4. You can't trust the people recommending them. It's not that doctors aren't good people, it's that they are so brainwashed into one way of thinking after going to medical school (just like everyone else is), that they think they are doing a good thing, when they aren't. The medical schools are run by pharma. They write the curriculum, the teachers are on their payroll, and the CDC and FDA are largely funded by pharma.

5. Most of the diseases that we vaccinate against are not a big deal. Why in the world would we risk the side effects of the vaccines (or even just their sheer nastiness) when we could just get a little sick and have fabulous immune systems to show for it? Instead, we vaccinate against diseases that either are no big deal or we wouldn't get anyway (see above point) and our children are getting sicker and sicker from autoimmune diseases. It's not that hard to see the connection.
post #7 of 60
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Originally Posted by larkedyflarp View Post
3) Illnesses including small pox, measles and polio were naturally on the decine before the vaccines were introduced
Do you have any links for this? I've seen this in the vax forum before - that they simply don't work. I've seen assertions about improved hygiene, etc. etc. being responsible for the decrease in these diseases. I'd like to believe that, but...when I went through school, there were at least two serious mumps outbreaks (the year I got it and another year) and three measles outbreaks (including when I got it, about a year before I started school). MMR wasn't around. DS1 is 16, and the kids he's in school with all received MMR...and there hasn't been one outbreak of mumps or measles in that time. I really don't think that general hygiene, nutrition, etc. have improved that much since the 70s/80s? (Honestly - teens in the 80s were a fanatically clean bunch, by and large - the hair, yk?)

So - is there any research on this stuff?
post #8 of 60
This info. is in the book How to Raise a Vaccine Free Child and in the book Vaccines are they Really Safe and Effective and stuff. I'm sure there's a web link, I'll find one.
post #9 of 60
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride View Post
Do you have any links for this? I've seen this in the vax forum before - that they simply don't work. I've seen assertions about improved hygiene, etc. etc. being responsible for the decrease in these diseases. I'd like to believe that, but...when I went through school, there were at least two serious mumps outbreaks (the year I got it and another year) and three measles outbreaks (including when I got it, about a year before I started school). MMR wasn't around. DS1 is 16, and the kids he's in school with all received MMR...and there hasn't been one outbreak of mumps or measles in that time. I really don't think that general hygiene, nutrition, etc. have improved that much since the 70s/80s? (Honestly - teens in the 80s were a fanatically clean bunch, by and large - the hair, yk?)

So - is there any research on this stuff?
I don't have the research handy for you, but what I would say is, are any of you worse off for having had the mumps or measles? They are just normal childhood diseases. I guess I just don't see the big deal and I seriously question why we vaccinate everyone for them. I don't understand what Merck's problem is with people getting sick. We get sick, we get better. Big deal. Most of the time, we're better off because of it.
post #10 of 60
When my ds got pertussis, I asked my homeopath about it. She said that pertussis is actually a good illness to get (as long as it's managed well) because it makes your lungs stronger. She said that her kids had pertussis about 10 years ago and haven't had a cough since. My mother had it as a child and when I asked her about this, she told me that she has never had any respiratory problems since having whooping cough. Before wc, she had pneumonia twice.
post #11 of 60
I hadn't heard that before but it makes so much sense. I was just realizing recently that I haven't had a cold with a cough in years not since my bout with Bronchitis one winter when I was 19. I've been questioning whether that was actually Whooping cough as I have been reading how Whooping cough is often misdiagnosed as Bronchitis. I've had colds but never a cough, usually sinus colds. But my Boys had a cold with a cough this winter but it was a minor cough so that was what got me thinking.
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post #13 of 60
Vaccines are nonsense. This is the only reason I need.
post #14 of 60
There are so many vaccines. The long term effects of them individually have barely been properly studied much less all of them combined.
It makes sense to me that we can't expect them to have only the desired effect of immunity and nothing else.
post #15 of 60
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Originally Posted by ammiga View Post
I don't have the research handy for you, but what I would say is, are any of you worse off for having had the mumps or measles? They are just normal childhood diseases. I guess I just don't see the big deal and I seriously question why we vaccinate everyone for them. I don't understand what Merck's problem is with people getting sick. We get sick, we get better. Big deal. Most of the time, we're better off because of it.
Just because tons of people have had the disease, doesn't mean it's harmless.

Some info I found -
"MEASLES (RUBEOLA)
The word measles is derived from the German word for blister.
Before the advent of the current measles vaccine, there were about 500,000 cases of measles in the United States per year; almost everyone got the measles. But since 1963, the number has fallen precipitously (figure 1B) with a low of only 86 cases in 2001, all of which seem to be imported. In the less developed world, measles still takes its toll with an estimated 30 million illnesses and 770,000 measles-caused deaths in 2000 of which 58% were in Africa."

Some more statistic-
"Worldwide, more than 20 million people get sick with measles each year; of these cases, 345,000 are fatal. Measles cases occur in all regions of the world: Southeast Asia (14 million cases), Africa (3.5 million cases), Eastern Mediterranean (2 million cases), Western Pacific (1 million cases), Europe (170,000 cases) and the Americas (<1,000 cases). Mumps is endemic in all regions of the world, including in many developed countries."

Personally, I think 345,000 is a very large number. Large enough for me to want to vaccinate my children for MMR.
post #16 of 60
Why I would argue with UNICEF: That short paragraph says nothing about the US at all. It's about the world. And I would say their logic is off. It's not vaccines that are saving people, it's full term breastfeeding (like they mentioned) and co-sleeping and proper hygiene which does wonders for increases life span. Also, when attempting to credit vaccines, they may very well be talking about some 3rd world countries where they give tentus shots to pregnant women because they pack their baby's umbilical cord with cow dung after birth, essentially giving them tentus.

As far as Neurological disorders go, you can hear some compelling arguments in the documentary "The Business of Being Born". That's primarily talking about home birth, but they argue that the drugs given to labouring women play a huge roll.

One this site, they talk about SIDS and vaccines. Here is a bit of what it says about SIDS: "

The incidence of Sudden Infant Death syndrome SIDS has grown from .55 per 1000 live births in 1953 to 12.8 per 1000 in 1992 in Olmstead County, Minnesota. The peak incidence for SIDS is age 2 to 4 months the exact time most vaccines are being given to children. 85 % of cases of SIDS occur in the first 6 months of infancy. The increase in SIDS as a percentage of total infant deaths has risen from 2.5 per 1000 in 1953 to 17.9 per 1000 in 1992. This rise in SIDS deaths has occurred during a period when nearly every childhood disease was declining due to improved sanitation and medical progress except SIDS. These deaths from SIDS did increase during a period when the number of vaccines given a child was steadily rising to 36 per child.

Dr. W. Torch was able to document 12 deaths in infants which appeared within 3½ and 19 hours of a DPT immunization. He later reported 11 new cases of SIDS death and one near miss which had occurred within 24 hours of a DPT injection. When he studied 70 cases of SIDS two thirds of these victims[6] had been vaccinated from one half day to 3 weeks prior to their deaths. None of these deaths was attributed to vaccines. Vaccines are a sacred cow and nothing against them appears in the mass media because they are so profitable to pharmaceutical firms.

There is valid reason to think that not only are vaccines worthless in preventing disease they are counterproductive because they injure the immune system permitting cancer, auto-immune diseases and SIDS to cause much disability and death. "

At the moment, I can not seem to find the link about the cancer. I will look later though, as I know Mae is bound to start wanting my full attention soon, but it was a report by a doctor who had studied all these different children and adults and found that ones who had cancer all had been vaccinated and all the ones who hadn't been vaccinated didn't have cancer. There's more to it than that, but I can't remember it all. It may actually be in that first site I put up.

Some other sites you may be interested in:

http://homepage.mac.com/doctormark/h...ax_populi.html
www.vaccine911.com
http://www.sunherb.com/truth_about_vaccines.htm
http://drjaygordon.com/development/index.asp

Mae's crying .. gotta go. HTH
post #17 of 60
One simple shot? Lifetime immunity is conferred from getting the disease as a child. The chicken pox vaccine could have worn off by the time the daughter gets pregnant. No one knows how many boosters will be required, but one shot is probably not going to offer anyone lifetime protection.

Know why I never had to worry about passing chicken pox on to my newborn? Because I had it when I was four. I sacked out on the couch and ate lots of soup. And by my breastfeeding my son, I protected him through his newborn phase and well beyond.
post #18 of 60
This concerns me. It's not just autism that I worry about. The possible long term affects of other toxins in vaccinations worries me. I think you take a great leap of faith when you decide to vaccinate, greater imho that the threat of the illnesses vaccines prevent. I just don't have that kind of trust in pharmaceutical companies.
post #19 of 60
1. There is no proof that people are better off vaccinated than not vaccinated.
2. There are known toxins in vaccines that can admittedly maim or even kill a perfectly healthy child.
3. The number of children damaged by vaccination will never be known since all kinds of shenanigans and denial occur within the medical establishment.
4. Childhood “diseases” are normal developmental stages that are necessary for a healthy life.
5. There is no proof vaccines are safe. Until they test them with all the others, have unvaccinated controls and do it long term, they can only assume they are safe.
post #20 of 60
SIDS used to be called "crib death", not "co-sleeping-as-people-have-safely-done-for-millennia-because-that's-how-we-evolved-death".

How do you know that you don't have some SV40 in you and that it will effect you later? You may or may not, but in any case it's not being looked at is it? How is that remotely scientific?
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