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post #1 of 39
Thread Starter 
we are standing at wal-mart at the DVD rack when this lady and
her husband (who both smelled horrible like 30 dyas combined
cigarette smell and not having taken a shower in WEEKS) when
she asked me how old DD was. I said: 6 month. She said:
OMG....my baby is her size and he is only 4.5 month old.

I said: Hmmm
She said: Well....he eats a whole 9 oz bottle of formula in one
sitting AND he eats all the baby food he can get and is 17 lbs at
4.5 month.
[Color=firebrick]ALL I said was 'NICE!' (BUT i really wanted to
say: WELL..........at least I am the sole provider for MY BABY's
FOOD. I
KNOW where my babies milk comes from....do you?). ]

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DD is approx 16.5-17 lbs right now so I don;t think she is 
 too small for being Exclusivly breastfeed and not being fed any  
 other foods other than mothersmilk yet.)

But i kept my composure and figured it was not worth for me to
lower myself to her level to bash something that SHE is doing
that I don;t believe in.
DH told me later on that he was WAITING for me to say
something and was really surprised that I did not responde to
her since I usually have really good punchlines.

THEN.....two hrs later at Target while in line at the register, I had
a lady behind me as me how old DD was. I said: 6month. She
said: What size Jammies is she in.
I said: 12 month (but left the
fact out that she is in Clothdiapers and that is the reason why
she needs mostly larger sizes in sleepers).
She said: OH......my baby is a big eater.....she is 20 lbs and 6 month and she is in
size 18 month blanket sleepers.

I said: Is she on food already?
(I delay solids this time around unlike with DS I now don't feel
the rush of pushing solids.....and TG I have a PED who agrees
with me).

She said: OH yes.....she has had every babyfood and
cereal by now.

I said: DD is still exclusivly breastfeed.
She said: We do THAT too.........AND she gets formula........AND
babyfoods and cereal.

My reply was: Well......my ped and I decided that
DD is doing really well on BM alone.....why fix something when it
is not broken.


Her response: WELL....if a child is HUNGRY..........and nurses
more than normal.......you need to add some formula and cereal
and babyfood. I had to do that early on already..
I replied: I guess different ppl have different opinions on
that matter.

TG dh was done paying and we left.

Then yesterday evening I talked to my sister (who BF both her boys for 5 month EC
and then added some babyfood to their diet). I proudly told her
that I am still ECBF and she said: YOU NEED TO ADD SOME
ANIMAL PROTEIN IN HER DIET!
that is very important.

I was thinking: NOT MY OWN FAMILY TOO! But instead I said:
NO, the pediatrician said it was just fine to continue BF EC for a
while longer. DD also has no interesst yet in babyfoods yet.
.We left it at that
post #2 of 39
nak, but just wanted to let you know that I have faced that, too as ds is 9 1/2 months and <gasp> exclusively bf. The funny thing is he is huge (close to 30 lbs), but people still give us the dumb "he needs other foods/formula comments because there is no way bf only could satisfy a baby that sized" type comments
You are doing a wonderful thing by ebfing your baby and IMO her weight sounds fine (my toddler barely weighed 18 lbs at a year...babies come in all shapes and sizes).
post #3 of 39
Good for you! Keep doing what your'e doing, and don't let the ignorance of others get you down. I'm already dreading a trip back home in June. Bethany will be 8 months then and still breastfeeding and I know I'll get comments from family and friends.

Brandi
post #4 of 39
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and she said: YOU NEED TO ADD SOME ANIMAL PROTEIN IN HER DIET! that is very important.
: She thinks you milk is plant proteins????:

Are you feeding your baby treesap from those breasts???:LOL

I didn't see the first one's comments as bashing so much, but then I didn't hear the tone of voice. I'm guessing she was implying that your baby is too small?:
How smallminded of her to not know that babies come in all sizes just like adults.

And then the 'one size must fit all, and it HAS to be hers' yutz at the Target checkout....:

Sounds like you just had one of those "lucky" days.

post #5 of 39
Why does everyone think babies have to be enormous? I mean, it's great if you (general you) have a big kid, and fine if you have a small one, too. I feel like Americans have this sick obsession with "fat" babies (quotes because fat is not a word for babies) and think that any other size is unhealthy. And we wonder why we all have weight problems. Can't we just accept babies, at whatever weight is healthy?
post #6 of 39
i got that alot too, with my son (now 2), but mostly from older people. i just think that it is so sad that there's a whole generation of older women who formula fed, had doctors saying that formula is so superior (NOT!!), to start baby cereal at 6 WEEKS old (akkk!), etc, etc, etc. they were all told to do this, so that their babies would grow up healthy and strong. i'm so disappointed that more women didn't question this mode of thought... when i look at my baby book, i was 23 pounds by the time i was 6 months old. wow. my son wasn't 23 lbs until he was well over a year! but my mother thought she was doing the right thing. i guess i have to give her credit for trying?

but........... it really helps me to understand where people are coming from on this issue. when they are shocked that my 6 month/7 month.. hey, even my now 4 month old baby is ONLY eating breastmilk.. they are shocked. worried that she's not getting enough nutrients and whatever. of course, they are so wrong and uninformed. most are speechless when i tell them that i'll be nursing past one year, now past two years, etc.

it is horrible, of course, and i feel so sad for all those babies (including me and my hubby) that missed out on our mother's sweet milk because some doctor that they trusted misinformed them on this particular subject (and others!). i wish i had of been breastfed. knowing from my experiences of nursing my two little ones, i wish i had the chance to have that all out bliss of nursing at my mother's breast. and when people start saying things about having a 2 year old nursling, i just think that when he's 10 or 20, or off to college, i'll wish i had all day long just to nurse him again. he's already growing up too fast!
post #7 of 39
Thread Starter 

Thanks gals for letting me vent........

I guess I just had one of those extreme 'LUCKY" days. HOPEFULLY tomorrow
(we have to venture out to the ped and to some other places)
I will not get anymore of those smart @$$ comments, otherwise I might have to say something

Oddly enough that one of you mentioned that America seems to be obsessed with bigger babies I hear that so often when someone tells me: WELL>..............MY BABY IS IN THE 95 % tile or 90%tile........ect, what %ile is your baby?
I don't htink it is fair that some docs got together and made up this scale of what a babies NORMAL weight, height should be..........considering that PARENTS come in all different sizes and shapes and the taler and bigger you are.......the bigger your baby may be. I know noone expected me to have a 8 lbs 7 oz girl..........3 oz biger than DS even......but don;t expect her to be a big girl ALL THE TIME.......I mean mom is only 125 lbs and 5 ft 4. (heck, I think I use that as a punch line the next time someone makes a remark lol)

Good night to all of you.
post #8 of 39
oh and i wanted to add that we seem to get it both ways..

my son was big at birth (9 lbs, 3 oz), and people said we needed to use formula/start solids/cereal early because he was big and needed the "extra nutrition", that BF'ing wouldn't be enough for such a big boy

but when he started getting tall and slender (4 months and up), people said we needed to use formula/start solids/cereal because he was so small and we needed to "fatten him up", that obviously, he "wasn't getting enough from BM alone"

annoying huh!
post #9 of 39
Evi, I am so there with you. That same thing happened to us on Tuesday. We were at the mall waiting in line, and DH was holding DD (she just turned 7 mo that day, and is 17 lbs exactly). the lady behind us asked how old she was - we told her - and she said, wow, she's tiny! My dd is 6 mo and tons bigger. She loves to eat anythign we give her. I say - she doesnt' really like food yet, just to nurse. we were done and left after that.

I agree, there is this obsession with having big/plump babies. DD is 50 % for weight, 75% for height, and has been since birth. of course DH was worried b/c of the comments - I had to explain to him that she is perfect - that formula gives babies waaayy too many empty calories.
post #10 of 39
I have a giant (EBM) baby, so what I get all the time is "you must have really good milk!" So if I had a small baby, it would be because my milk was bad? Stupid people.
post #11 of 39
Geez... what is with some people? Almost like it's some kind of conspiracy. And what is with the baby size contest?
post #12 of 39
We had Christmas dinner with friends and the hostess made a breezy comment about how she was a bad mom for not breastfeeding. I didn't say anything, but another mom there who had breastfed assured her she was not. Then the conversation turned to the reasons she chose to formula feed. I didn't jump in with the reasons I chose to breastfeed. Then the hostess brought up how her husband was given a hard time by a coworker for not breastfeeding their now 12 year old son. Everyone agreed how horrible that was. I really felt like people were going out of their way to feel persecuted about having formula fed. If I had shared the reasons I breastfeed because the other mom shared the reasons she formula fed, would I be seen as a zealot? I was afraid I might, so I just kept quiet.

We ended up going out to dinner with that couple tonight and we rode in their car. Our baby started crying on the way home and we figured she was probably hungry. The mom said that was one of the advantages of bottlefeeding is that she could just pop it in whenver they were driving and hungry. OK, fine, I guess I should have countered with not having to prepare and bring along the bottles as one of the advantages of breastfeeding. Plus my baby is not even 3 months old yet, and it is winter and I would have had to warm the bottle so I wouldn't have been able to just pop it in her mouth anyway.

I don't know, I don't feel like the conversations can ever be equal, and that bugs me.
post #13 of 39
nak

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I don't know, I don't feel like the conversations can ever be equal, and that bugs me.
I sadly agree...my neighbors both ff and basically since baby ds was born anytime either of them sees me they have asked if he is STILL bfing : then most of the time they both go into why they HAD to ff and the one just goes on and on with horribly inaccurate information. I have never said anything bad about ff to or around either of them, nor have I asked why they didn't bf....I have in a kind matter corrected the one neighbor's wrong information (however, it didn't do any good as she would still tell me the same inaccurate things when I would see her next).


ChemFreeKids- I have one 'friend' in particular who uses pro-breastfeeding stats against me because she is obese and was bf for over 2 yrs (she actually blames her obesity on her mom bfing her so long because it caused her to be an emotional eater...her words, not mine), and because my mom had breast cancer and she bf both my sister and me past 1yr (so bf for over 24 months). Thankfully she does not have kids yet (or a SO, so hopefully she won't have kids until she realizes that just because she know people/ is a person who defies statistics, the statistics are still right).

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We have as much right to speak up as bottle users -- formula or expressed milk (i'm anti-bottle too).
BFing mamas do have as much right to speak up as ffing mamas, however, I do have a problem with you linking all bottlefeeders together because although nursing is preferable, there are some people who legitimately can't (like Darshani and Tadpole's mom), but bottle feed EBM and IMO we need to support these women....they still are bfing women.
post #14 of 39
My mother breastfed me until I was 3 years old, and I am currently obese, but I know better than to connect the two.

Some women do have to feed ebm in a bottle, and they should be supported -- it is WAY better than formula. But it is still important to recognize that direct breastfeeding from breast to baby's mouth is best, and should be strived for whenever possible.
post #15 of 39
my sister does that to me too: "well you KNOW she NEEDS other food since she is over 6 months old..." blah blah blah. at least you know what you are doing is right for you, and can let ignorant advice go in one ear and out the other!

it is annoying though, isn't it? makes you want to them!
post #16 of 39
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does anyone else agree? I wish that all nursing moms would stand up and say "Hey world -- LOOK HOW MUCH I LOVE MY CHILD!"
I agree about breastfeeding being healthiest and all that, and I NIP in pubic and do as much as I can to normalize nursing, but I absolutely will not equate that with loving my child. To do so implies that formula feeding means one does not love one's child and that's bullshit.

I have 2 good friends (actually I have more than 2, but these two are relevent to my point) and there is much more to the friendship than how we fed our babies. In one's case she tried, had no support, had active sabotage in the form of visiting family who are incapable of understanding that when you visit a new mom you do so in order to Help Her rather than be entertained as guests. We met when our sons were almost 4 and found that we have so much in common. I should trash the best friendship I've ever had in 41 years of life because she lacked education 4 years before we even met?:

In the case of the other friend: she was educated, wanted to BF, tried to BF, ended up in the hospital massively dehydrated from throwing up and diarrhea after the births of both of her babies. So obviously they ended up on formula. She was sad and disappointed, but should she not have fed the babies? She's been one of my best most unquestionly positive supporters for EN. Passed the "test" when I nursed then 2 year old DD at her house soon after they moved into the neighborhood.

Both of my friends love their respective children Very much. My best friend is even homeschooling their son because this wonderful good school disctrict we live in (that was not sarcasm either) was failing Him.

So to equate breastfeeding with love as if formula feeding means the child is not loved....nope, not going to do that to people *I* love. Besides which, if I can see through the false dichotomy, so will others. And they'll just chalk it up to arrogance and add another dismissive "oh she'd one of those breastfeeding nazis". Thus the message of breastfeeding being healthy and normal will be lost and negated and dismissed and ignored and another baby or ? will be bottled instead.

But feel free to do as you must.

post #17 of 39
nak

I'm sure no one's suggesting that you trash friendships with bottle feeding mothers. I don't think there's anything wrong with saying we breastfeed out of love for our children. I don't think that means that bottle feeding mothers don't love their children.
post #18 of 39
AHHH This subject realy burns me up!! It is like most of the mothers I know in America want to have the biggest baby who eats the most processed food, and that is sad. My daughter is little, but healthy and happily breastfed. She is only 5 1/2 months old and already sitting without support and just started crawling forward on all fours yesterday. My friends baby is 9 months and just started crawling. (my oldest son was a chunky monkey, EBF for 8 months and didn't crawl till' 9 months--so I am not trying to make any EBF babies feel bad for not crawling--just trying to make a point here) and my friends baby weighs 27 lbs. She proudly announced yesterday that her son drank an 8 ounce bottle of formula in 5 minutes flat and then had a huge bowl of Top o Ramen!!! WHAT THE HECK! And then she tells me that I should start feeding Mila food so that she can grow. SHE IS GROWING. I usually keep my opinions to myself, but I told her that her son's brain is growing to rapidly for her to be feeding him freaking Top O Ramen!! And then she wonders why he has the poops all the time--Well DUH! Thank goodness I can come here and vent or my head might explode!!

My niece is EBF, she is 9 months and she too is a very LARGE little baby. But, you can tell the difference in her from LARGE formula babies. She seems smarter, and happier, and just glows. Just a beautiful baby.
post #19 of 39
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I'm sure no one's suggesting that you trash friendships with bottle feeding mothers. I don't think there's anything wrong with saying we breastfeed out of love for our children. I don't think that means that bottle feeding mothers don't love their children.
I hope not Devrock, but that's the way some of Chemfree's post came across to me and I'm an EN, child-leads-weaning, 100% breastfeeding, pumped while in hospital overnight fanatic(at least that's the word I heard from the hallway that night as 2 nurses walked by), and that's the way it read to me.

I can only imagine how such a statement ("Hey world -- LOOK HOW MUCH I LOVE MY CHILD!") would come across to a woman who's waffled and/or might have a niggling doubt that she could've tried harder had she known or who is still in the throes of feeling bad because for whatever reason she Couldn't.

That woman who gave up too easily with this child might be coaxed to try harder and for longer with the next, but not if her experience with BF moms is one of arrogance and put downs.

It falls into the "more bees with honey than vinegar" catagory of articulating our support and education efforts IMO.

If I've misinterpreted, then I'll apologize.
post #20 of 39
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"Hey world -- LOOK HOW MUCH I LOVE MY CHILD!"


I said it w/ ya momma!!
And FWIW- I DONT think it says anything to moms who dont/didnt BF. Just says that by doing so, I am sacrificing out of Love for my child to give them THE VERY BEST -and NOT compromising or giving up!!! whatever "Issues" lie in the way!!


as for the OP- (german) Sooo Sorry ya had a rough day! I get it all the time as I have 2 very petite Exclusively BF little daughters. and I hear all the time (oh they need REAL food) GAG!!!
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