WTSHTF... is it coming? - Page 6

[PlayaMama]

TOTALLY OT

but we seem to be heading into the "what's wrong with society" direction and families were mentioned.

has anyone considered when cry-it-out advice began being given by doctors? i think it causes a fundamental disconnection between child and parent and i think that leads to a lot of the violence among younger people and lack of respect for adults AND i think it ties into the moving away from your societal support system and family.

i mean, before a young family moved across the country, not only would they have help from grandparents, they'd also have someone to ask for advice other than doctors and child-care "experts"

just some random thoughts...

[p1gg1e]

Originally Posted by PlayaMama

TOTALLY OT

but we seem to be heading into the "what's wrong with society" direction and families were mentioned.

has anyone considered when cry-it-out advice began being given by doctors? i think it causes a fundamental disconnection between child and parent and i think that leads to a lot of the violence among younger people and lack of respect for adults AND i think it ties into the moving away from your societal support system and family.

i mean, before a young family moved across the country, not only would they have help from grandparents, they'd also have someone to ask for advice other than doctors and child-care "experts"

just some random thoughts...

Oh I agree!! I think no matter what though you will have violence. Having been to even AP kids play groups there are some kids just more prone to violence...but that's goes back to nature nurture theory. But does it make more people unable to understand how to handle broad concepts and feelings , what to do with them, I agree.

OT I think its interesting all the market and advice talk lately has said we our heading out of a rescission.

[newbymom05]

[QUOTE=p1gg1e;13542810
OT I think its interesting all the market and advice talk lately has said we our heading out of a rescission.[/QUOTE]

When have they not been saying it? Not a day goes by when someone on CNBC or other MSM--let alone the gov--says the bottom's been reached/buy buy buy/the recovery has started/etc.

[PlayaMama]

Originally Posted by p1gg1e

Oh I agree!! I think no matter what though you will have violence. Having been to even AP kids play groups there are some kids just more prone to violence...but that's goes back to nature nurture theory. But does it make more people unable to understand how to handle broad concepts and feelings , what to do with them, I agree.

OT I think its interesting all the market and advice talk lately has said we our heading out of a rescission.

yep, i think violence is pretty much inherent in our make up. it makes some sense in an evolutionary way. if you don't fight for your resources and someone else does, you don't get them and you die, in an extreme example of course, and we could toss in quite a bit of sociology and cooperation in there to temper the violence but i don't think we're even going to be rid of it.

AND about the market. it is REALLY weird!! like, they'll tell you about the unemployment rate being up and in the same sentence say how things really aren't that bad.

i guess if you say it often enough it must be true

[p1gg1e]

Originally Posted by PlayaMama

yep, i think violence is pretty much inherent in our make up. it makes some sense in an evolutionary way. if you don't fight for your resources and someone else does, you don't get them and you die, in an extreme example of course, and we could toss in quite a bit of sociology and cooperation in there to temper the violence but i don't think we're even going to be rid of it.

AND about the market. it is REALLY weird!! like, they'll tell you about the unemployment rate being down and in the same sentence say how things really aren't that bad.

i guess if you say it often enough it must be true

Yep spending is up for a couple month ( couldnt be those tax returns NO!) unemployment up...Everything is fine... esp after we waved our magic wand and printed 1 trillion a couple weeks ago

[freespirited]

I have to agree violence is inherent to some degree and that social factors bring them out, such as how someone is raised. A child who is abused or witnesses abuse will probably grow up to be angry and not have any skills how to handle that effectively. The same child raised in a loving household will have witnessed a healthy way to handle anger, which everyone experiences at times. But what concerns me is the violence that is occurring in otherwise non-violent people, people who to others were gentle, harmless, quiet, shy, etc. I do think this kind of violence is on the rise. Violence in general has always been around and will always be, but the kind of violence we've seen all too much of lately is something else. As for my sources about violence being on the rise, you can google it and find a lot of stats to support that. It is a fact, plain and simple. Maybe it is down in specific cities, but way up in others, and in general in this country it is up. You don't need to look any further than local communties. Places where people never locked their doors are now experiencing rashes of burglaries, and in my experience, this is a precursor to more aggressive crimes. Also, gun and ammo sales are way up and I really think that has more to do with people feeling more vulnerable these days than it has to do with the rumor about guns being banned. How many moms here would let their children do the things today we used to do, like walking or riding their bike some distance alone? In Costa Rica, bars on your windows is now a necessity whereas 15-20 years ago almost no one had them. I mean, you can look at stats if you want, but you can also just talk to people and look around you to know that crime is up.

[p1gg1e]

Originally Posted by freespirited

I have to agree violence is inherent to some degree and that social factors bring them out, such as how someone is raised. A child who is abused or witnesses abuse will probably grow up to be angry and not have any skills how to handle that effectively. The same child raised in a loving household will have witnessed a healthy way to handle anger, which everyone experiences at times. But what concerns me is the violence that is occurring in otherwise non-violent people, people who to others were gentle, harmless, quiet, shy, etc. I do think this kind of violence is on the rise. Violence in general has always been around and will always be, but the kind of violence we've seen all too much of lately is something else. As for my sources about violence being on the rise, you can google it and find a lot of stats to support that. It is a fact, plain and simple. Maybe it is down in specific cities, but way up in others, and in general in this country it is up. You don't need to look any further than local communties. Places where people never locked their doors are now experiencing rashes of burglaries, and in my experience, this is a precursor to more aggressive crimes. Also, gun and ammo sales are way up and I really think that has more to do with people feeling more vulnerable these days than it has to do with the rumor about guns being banned. How many moms here would let their children do the things today we used to do, like walking or riding their bike some distance alone? In Costa Rica, bars on your windows is now a necessity whereas 15-20 years ago almost no one had them. I mean, you can look at stats if you want, but you can also just talk to people and look around you to know that crime is up.

Petty crimes though are apart of lower economic times. Its sadly normal right now. Stat wise violent crimes are down nation wide:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance.htm#Crime

I think people are more fearful but that doesn't mean that crime is up. National news is instant where as 100 years ago you were lucky to hear about something from another side of the US before a week or more.

I wont let my kids walk or take a bike ride because I'm afraid of CPS coming to my door for neglecting them in their view for being outside or away alone...not so much because of bad people... A 5 yo playing outside alone is not typical anymore , but most parents don't stay home anymore either so it makes it more apparent.