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Surprise costs of buying your first house?

post #1 of 36
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Long story short, the house we're renting is being sold by the landlord, and we have to move. Dh really wants to buy a house and take advantage of the current market and the 8k from the government. We might be able to do it, dh has excellent job security, but it makes me nervous, and I'd rather keep renting for a little while until we are in a little better shape.

So what kind of surprise costs come with a first house? Things you might not have needed to own before while renting, but suddenly become necessary (like a lawn mower), other fees/things people generally don't think of, etc...
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post #3 of 36
We didn't know about earnest money ($500 in our case). We also had to pay for the home inspection (around $300 if I remember correctly) and a land survey on our first house (can't remember how much that was). Closing costs were the biggest deal to us as we didn't have that much just lying around, so we were able to negotiate the seller paying up to $4K in closing costs on our first house (we paid $250 at closing) and $2K in closing costs on our second house (we paid $4600 at closing).

We also had to buy a washer/dryer and a refridgerator. We already had our lawn mower from when we were renting.

For the actual moving, we had to rent a UHaul which was about $250 for a one way move. Its much cheaper if you do an in-town move.

I probably missed a bunch, but that's what I can think of off the top of my head.
post #4 of 36
Curtains or window treatments come up. My house had blinds. Lighting, appliances, PMI.
post #5 of 36
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me too.
post #6 of 36
appliances
plumbing/septic
termite work
unexpected flooding and having to replace flooring
post #7 of 36
The one thing I forgot was a lawn mower, but it seems you've already thought of that!

The temptation to go to Home Depot every Saturday morning to replace one light fixture at a time, etc., really adds up fast! It's tempting to want to swap out some furniture (even if you buy used) to fit your new space better. Maybe your apartment has a microhood, and now maybe you'll have to buy a microwave. Maybe your apartment has sliding glass doors for the shower, and now you'll have to buy a shower curtain. Baby gates. Gardens. There's tons of little things.

Aven
post #8 of 36
Think of all the things you now call a landlord for that you'd have to fix/replace on your own.

The furnace could go out, for example.
post #9 of 36
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So what kind of surprise costs come with a first house? Things you might not have needed to own before while renting, but suddenly become necessary (like a lawn mower), other fees/things people generally don't think of, etc...
It really depends on whether you're talking about the long term costs, or the immediate up-front, need to take care of it now costs.

When you get a home inspection, ask for a roof inspection, they should be able to estimate when that will need to be replaced. Our was estimated at having 2-3 years life left in it when we bought, but we actually got almost 8 out of it. Find out how old the hot water heater is - tank heaters have a functional life span of about 12 years. Ours was about 8 when we bought the house, and only now (10 years later) are we starting to have to think about replacing it - but we've been lucky. Have the HVAC system checked out, how old is it, how efficient, how clean, how well maintained, etc. Sometimes these things are included, sometimes they have to be requested. But going in with your eyes open can prevent big surprises later.

It also depends on whether you're the type of person who will walk into a new situation and it *must* be dealt with now. Like I said, we're 10 years in, and we still have windows with no coverings (the dining room and the spare bedroom). We have a back porch which was rickety and not up to code when we bought it, and it won't be torn down until probably next summer, when baby starts threatening to walk. We very obviously have been of the opinion that these things are not urgent, and therefore are not the top priority, and the money was better spent elsewhere. Getting functional laundry hook-ups, that was a higher priority, but it still waited 6(7?) years. Getting drainage in so the basement didn't flood every winter, that took about 6 years. New windows throughout (5 years), those were all higher priorities. I believe the only things to be done immediately upon purchase was updating the electrical, gutting the bathroom, and painting. All of which was done before move-in.

We don't have a lawnmower because we don't have a lawn, per se. We have a weed-whacker, which is more versatile if you don't have a large expanse of grass, and generally cheaper (and easy to borrow from a friend).

The other cost is often furniture. Like a pp said, a lot of people will start buying furniture to fill the space... which is expensive. If you're on a budget (and aren't we all?), make do with what you have for a while until you can really see what you *need*, then shop around and buy quality. We didn't even get a TV stand until a year ago, when we found precisely what we were looking for in a close-out sale. Yes, it often felt like we were still a couple of college students, but we didn't waste our money, and were able to get precisely what we wanted.

Other costs are usually closing costs. Have an estimate going in of what you're going to need to come in with to close, and make sure you have (at least) twice that on hand. Having those costs double at the last minute is not uncommon.
post #10 of 36
Any appliances you don't own (washer, refrigerator, stove/range, microwave, etc.) plus a lawnmower and possibly weedeater, those are the big ones I remember. Closing costs, house inspection, we got by without a survey but you might have to get one and we were quoted like $400 when I asked that's why we passed on it. Termite inspection plan, we have the "Terminex inspection and protection" and honestly I don't remember signing up for it - it just came with the house and we HAVE to keep it in order to maintain the insurance so..... it's like $230/year (or was it 320? lol) and I remember being kinda hit hard with the first bill not long after we moved in. Of course you can plan for it when you know, but that first bill sneaked up on us.

Most the other stuff you can manage to make do without. For example -we still have a spare bedsheet hung up for a curtan, I kinda like it - cost $0
we still have the old furniture except we did have to buy a new kitchen table because the old one was too big,
we still have a cracked light fixture in the hallway,
we still have a crappy walmart ceiling fan that I'm just dying to replace with a Hunter, etc.
I like to go to Lowes and update stuff too! I put in one Hunter fan and it's heavenly, but I have to space it out a bit because it does add up $$$!
We put in new windows, and we actually took out a small loan for it, because the old ones were SOOOO bad. We had them bring us new windows, all the labor/replacement and haul off the old ones, and we paid for it . . . We could have saved a bundle by doing it ourself but to me this was worth it. So basically any updates that you know you will need to do to the house (how long is the roof gonna last?)

Stuff breaks. Our water heater tank is nearing it's life expectancy (though it might last much longer) and our heat pump is getting old and that kind of stuff will be yours to replace ---although it's not like you will be out on the street if you have to boil water for a little while. I still say you could get by until you get the money, but it all matters on how much inconvenience you are willing to put up with. We've done some cosmetic work and minor toilet repairs but nothing very pricy.
I feel like we avoided a MAJOR problem when I discovered that water was coming in the front door and getting the subfloor wet. We put up a gutter to keep the water off of the front deck - it was cheaper than rebuilding the deck with better drainage. If I hadn't noticed that, we might be replacing subfloor and honestly it would be hard in this house. A simple gutter for the front of the house ran up more of a bill than I would have liked, but saved a load of $$ down the road I'm sure.
post #11 of 36
things part of the buying process you might not be aware of:
~earnest money (this is totally seperate from downpayment) It's a sort of hold or promise to the sellers on the house after they accept your bid. If you back out of the sale prior to close they get to keep that money. It's typically $500-$1500. Depends on what the seller wants or negotiates with you.

~inspection cost. This is ABSOLUTLY nessesary, especially for first time buyers. You make your offer contingent on your approval of an inspection done by professional inspector of your choice. This saves your behind if there are things wrong with the house you don't want or can't afford to fix. Allows you to back out of a sale or negotiate price. Inspections are usually $300-$400 and non-refundable.

~utility deposit. If you aren't already a long standing customer with the utility companies that serve the home they will want a deposit up front prior to switching the utilities into your name. Can't remember how much they are but, I think it depends on the estimated monthly costs.

~Agent fees. Agents do not charge you until you have purchased and closed on your home reguardless of how long you search and how much work they do for you. your agent will explain this to you and how they are to be paid. They are paid according to the final sale price of the home. It's a flat percentage rate in most cases. Agent fees are either included in your loan (depending on what kind of loan you get) or paid out of pocket by you.

~Closing costs. These include all of the loan fees, underwriting junk, state fees, and all of that misc junk. Depending on the loan program you have you may be able to include these costs in your loan. If not you either pay out of pocket or negotiate with the seller to try to get them to cover some or all of the closing costs and in return you typically have to agree to increase the total sale price of the home to make up for it. Maybe not though. Closing costs depend on the fees in your state and the sale price of the home. You can expect $2800-$7000 or so I suppose.

~ City services. Sometimes cities decide they want to phase out existing septic systems to streamline everyone to sewer. In many cases they do this by forcing new buyers to hook up within 30-90 days after sale of home. This can get VERY expensive if the seller has not paid what is called a "tap fee". Those can be anywhere from $1500-$10,000. You'd be surprised, my small low to low-middle class burb town just raised the tap fees from $2500 to $9000 last year. Running the actual pipes and connecting is an additional and seperate cost you'd have to pay to a contractor. That could be anywhere from $2500-$10,000 depending on supply cost, labor, number of hookups, and distance of pipes.

~Association fees. This is only if you live in some sort of gated type community, condo community, or other zero lot line community with a commons area or structured neighborhood. I don't live in one of those so I have no idea how much that would be. I'd assume anywhere from $75-$350 per month??

~home owners insurance. Usually paid as part of your monthly mortgage. it's due twice a year just like car insurance but you pay a portion of that every month and it goes into and account until it comes time to pay. When it is due every 6 months your mortgage lender pays the appropriate place for you. Less hassle for you!

(Usually your esgrow account is included as part of your monthly mortgage payment and will go to pay your yearly property taxes so you don't have to worry about coming up with that in the middle of the year out of your pocket)

In addition, some other things to think about when owning a home are:
~possible costs for desired or nessesary upgrades/fixes like new flooring, roofing, siding, windows, wiring or plumbing, etc. Some may be negotiated into the sale if they are bad enough to offput you making an offer
~appliances (you can ask sellers to include all nessesary appliances but, typically you won't get them all. Often times they take the fridge and washer/dryer.
~more furniture
~more storage junk as you WILL aquire more stuff once your house is your own
~tools to do your own home repair (no more landlord to do it and pay for it)
~new locks or doornobs so no one who had a key from the last owner can wander into your house
~more cleaning supplies on a regular basis. There are things you;d never dream to shrub in an apartment or rented house that you will want to in your own home.
~paint. simply because some of the previous owner's taste in colors is going to repulse or offend you.
~small repair. appliances, drywall holes, small electrical fixes, kitchen hardware, bathroom fixtures, etc
~curtains and curtain rods. Sometimes people leave behind rods, sometimes they don't.
~A carpet shampooer or rental. If there is carpet and it isn't brand new there is bound to be something gross enough to shampoo. A good vacuum couldn't hurt either. You may want to just hire a carpet cleaning service of maid service to clean the house before you move in.
~moving van rental or hired movers... or extra gas for zillions of trips in your own car or truck.
~yard and lawn care junk. Mower, weed wacker, gardening stuff, top soil for planters, pots, and garden space, compost, fertilizer, sod, grass seed, whatever it is you might want to plant, tree pruner, rake, shovel, sprinklers, hose, and whatever it will take to care for whatever yard you end up with.
~and don't forget there are permits with fees for just about everything when you own. If you want to build and outbuilding, add a bathroom, add a bedroom, build a deck, put up a fence, or the like, the city will require approval of plans, permit, and approval of final product. Annoying.

and lastly, don't forget new utilities and regular bills you don't have to pay now while renting.
~water
~sewer
~gas
~electric
~home phone
~cable or satelite
~internet
~garbage
~recycling

oh, and remember that there are big things that can break and be expensive to fix or replace. Many thing really only last 10 years or less anyway and you know not everything is going to be new unless it's a brand new house.
~water heater
~furnace
~septic system
~plumbing
~wiring
~chimney or fireplace cracks and cleaning
~windows
~large appliances
~central AC units
~sprinkler systems
~roofing
~siding
~decking
~fencing

Ok, I know there is more I'm forgetting but, I'm sleepy so this is about as much racking of my brain I can manage right now.
post #12 of 36
Oh and If you get screwed over and HAVE to be out of your rental by x date, but for some dumb reason they push back your closing date for a week . . . you gotta STORE all the stuff (or rent the moving van longer) and crash with someone or rent a hotel room.

Ideally you should close before you have to move out of your old place, but this isn't a perfect world.
post #13 of 36
Some houses come with all the appliances, curtains, light fixtures. Others, the sellers take them with them. Make sure you check and take that into account for each house you consider.
post #14 of 36
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Originally Posted by FondestBianca View Post
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~Agent fees. Agents do not charge you until you have purchased and closed on your home reguardless of how long you search and how much work they do for you. your agent will explain this to you and how they are to be paid. They are paid according to the final sale price of the home. It's a flat percentage rate in most cases. Agent fees are either included in your loan (depending on what kind of loan you get) or paid out of pocket by you.

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~new locks or doornobs so no one who had a key from the last owner can wander into your house

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Agent fees: always paid by the seller, buyer does not pay.

Locks: having a locksmith out to change the locks is much cheaper than replacing all the hardware. Plus they can key it so that all doors take the same key - very convenient!



Other things...

-snow removal supplies depending on where you live: shovel, snow blower, salt

-lamps! When we bought our current house we didn't think about not having overhead light fixtures in several rooms. I had to go out and buy 8 lamps. It adds up.
post #15 of 36
Something I did not do: figure out what our payment would be with mortgage, taxes and homeowners insurance. Our annual taxes are $7,000 so that is a huge part of our monthly payment.
post #16 of 36
"Agent fees: always paid by the seller, buyer does not pay."

We have to pay one - not the seller for the house we are buying. Ours was 395 I think. It is very dependent on your area.
post #17 of 36
One thing I would suggest as well is looking into a homebuyers warranty. Anyone can buy one, they usually cost $400 or so a year. It covers most of the wear and tear on big ticket items. It fixed our AC during the first heatwave of a blazing summer and our furnace during the first cold snap. Even with an inspection, it is always hard to tell how much life these things have left in them until you really need to use them. Without the warranty, it would have cost a few thousand to have both things fixed instead of the $90 copay. In another house we bought the warranty, but nothing needed to be fixed We still felt good about it because it is always a risk of not knowing completely what you are getting into until you notice every creak and noise is your responsibility.
post #18 of 36
You'll also need to get homeowner's insurance.
post #19 of 36
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One thing I would suggest as well is looking into a homebuyers warranty. Anyone can buy one, they usually cost $400 or so a year. It covers most of the wear and tear on big ticket items. It fixed our AC during the first heatwave of a blazing summer and our furnace during the first cold snap. Even with an inspection, it is always hard to tell how much life these things have left in them until you really need to use them. Without the warranty, it would have cost a few thousand to have both things fixed instead of the $90 copay. In another house we bought the warranty, but nothing needed to be fixed We still felt good about it because it is always a risk of not knowing completely what you are getting into until you notice every creak and noise is your responsibility.
ooooohhh I like this idea lol
post #20 of 36
Yeah we are buying a house right now and the seller is providing a one year home warranty.
They are also paying all closing costs up to $5000

We are having to pay for all inspections, $250 in promise money, buy a fridge, and update the wiring some.

We have a $2000 budget for getting in the house.
inspections
Renting a u-haul
transfering utilities
buying a good used fridge

We should have some money left and that will be used for wiring stuff, fixing the toilet wable, striping wallpaper and painting, etc.

I thought of hiring someone to clean it before moving in, but I think me and a friend of mine will go over after we close and knock it out in a couple hours.
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