I Need Hand Holding - Page 2

[punkrockmomma]

As so many PP have stated, we also don't vaccinate because we don't trust big pharma, and the government. It's as simple as that for us. Look at all the drugs that have been recalled because they have killed or injured people, they are made by the same companies that make the vaccines. These big corporations only want to make money, they don't have our best interests in mind, and neither the the government. The government just wants their campaign contributions from big business, and the free trips and lunches from the lobbists to keep on coming. Just follow the money with any government mandated stance on something, and you will find a big business making a lot of money off of the governments stance on that.
Don't get me wrong I think you should do your research, to many people are sheep and go along with what they are told and don't question things. But it's not a black and white issue, you are not going to find a definite reason to vaccinate or not to vaccinate. What everyone needs to do is to make an informed decision no matter what that decision is. And you need to go with your gut.
I have not been scared at all not having DD vaccinated. Sometimes I do question my decision though because she's getting older and is being exposed to more kids. But at the same time I know that everytime she catches something naturally it boosts her immune system.
And I know this is going to sound really strange, but hear me out. I feel that these illnesses are nature's way of thinning the herd. There are way to many people on the planet, and one day we are going to really suffer for not letting mother nature take it's coarse. Yes, it would be horrible if DD died from one of these diseases, don't get me wrong. I just don't believe in going against mother nature, because she always wins in the end. JMO

[Jwebbal]

Originally Posted by punkrockmomma

And I know this is going to sound really strange, but hear me out. I feel that these illnesses are nature's way of thinning the herd. There are way to many people on the planet, and one day we are going to really suffer for not letting mother nature take it's coarse. Yes, it would be horrible if DD died from one of these diseases, don't get me wrong. I just don't believe in going against mother nature, because she always wins in the end. JMO

[Yulia_R]

Originally Posted by punkrockmomma

And I know this is going to sound really strange, but hear me out. I feel that these illnesses are nature's way of thinning the herd. There are way to many people on the planet, and one day we are going to really suffer for not letting mother nature take it's coarse. Yes, it would be horrible if DD died from one of these diseases, don't get me wrong. I just don't believe in going against mother nature, because she always wins in the end. JMO

I do hear you. Our population now is about 6 times grater than our planet can support. And now with oil coming to an end we will have to pay a heavy price for multiplying like rabbits. Not many people realize that oil is not just pretty much everything around us, but also our food. The only way we are so far able to squeeze out of our soil so much food is by heavily using oil based artificial fertilizers. Once they are gone, 5+ billion people are out of luck, because our planet can naturally support only about 1.5 billion of people.

HOWEVER, all the above has nothing to do with the reason we decided to not vaccinate our kids. After all the research I’ve done on the subject, I strongly believe that vaccines mess up immune system worse than anything else does, which opens up a window for any kind of health conditions, including cancers.

[proudpappa]

You can do it !

As per your request here are some articles to print off that examine what the vaccine manufacturers inserts states. I found these very informative and an excellent starting point. I think these articles would be great to have in your "I'M the Mama" binder.

The Hepatitis B Vaccine: What the Manufacturer's Insert Tells Us

The DTaP Vaccine: What the Manufacturer's Insert Tells Us

The HiB Vaccine: What the Manufacturer's Insert Tells Us

Prevnar, the Pneumococcal Vaccine: What the Manufacturer's Insert Tells Us

The Polio Vaccine: What the Manufacturer's Package Insert Tells Us

The MMR Vaccine: What the Manufacturer's Insert Tells Us

The Varicella (Chickenpox) Vaccine: What the Manufacturer's Insert Tells Us

I also found the video by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, VACCINES: The benefits, risks and choices. extremely helpful in understanding each vaccine on the schedule and the diseases they are supposed to protect us from.

[PPK]

What helped clarify things alot for me is "The Vaccine Book", by Robert Sears. It was stocked at the Barnes and Noble near me and is only $13.99. It was by far the easiest way for me to read and assimilate information on the diseases themselves, the frequency of outbreaks, etc., as well as the vaccine components, brands, possible side effects, and his recommended Delayed/Selective schedule.

I wavered so much for the past year and a half and also have very limited time to do any real research on my own. Seriously, I think it would be the equivalent to a full-time job trying to wade through case studies, etc...I tried, but just admit I can only do so much.

HTH!

[ammiga]

Originally Posted by PPK

What helped clarify things alot for me is "The Vaccine Book", by Robert Sears. It was stocked at the Barnes and Noble near me and is only $13.99. It was by far the easiest way for me to read and assimilate information on the diseases themselves, the frequency of outbreaks, etc., as well as the vaccine components, brands, possible side effects, and his recommended Delayed/Selective schedule.

I wavered so much for the past year and a half and also have very limited time to do any real research on my own. Seriously, I think it would be the equivalent to a full-time job trying to wade through case studies, etc...I tried, but just admit I can only do so much.

HTH!

Just be aware that Dr. Sears has some serious bias towards vaxing. He sells a ton of books being a "natural" doctor that still recommends vaxing, as well as makes a ton of money off of his patients' vaxes. He says that newborns don't need Heb B because they aren't at risk, but then recommends it for 2 month olds. Hmmmm... does he see a lot of at risk 2 month olds? Or is he simply making money on that vax in his office, rather than having the hospital administer it at birth? I am very skeptical of Dr. Sears.

[larkedyflarp]

My daughter had an anaphylactic reaction to vaccines in the ped. office 2 years ago. I had a really bad feeling about getting them, it was her last round of the boosters, but I went ahead nervously thinking if I didn't do it I would be a bad mom.

Now I'm traumatized from that day, seeing all the doctors swoop in and walking out of the ped. office with my little girls carseat and her strapped to the top of stretcher and riding in an ambulance downtown. If I had only listened to instincts.

After that I decided I was done with vaccines for her or any other children we had and I've read so many books and articles that I have enough vested hours for a college degree in it!!

Based on my opinions from what I've read, if you can get your kid to 1 year old without getting pertussis/whooping cough then you're good as gold. But if they do get it then you might need to take them to the hospital but they'll recover with life long immunity. The Hib vaccine is for meningitis and that can be treated with antibiotics, it's bacteria. My parent's generation all had measles and mumps and it was no big deal. My generation had chicken pox and it was no big deal. My grandparents generation all got whooping cough and it's no big deal as long as you're not a little baby. Diptheria unlikely, tetanus clean your wounds. Polio 95% of the time it's no big deal but if you're worried don't let your kids swim in lakes and rivers since it's spread through feces I guess.

Don't do it unless you're sure and if you're not sure wait until you are.

[mamakah]

Originally Posted by Lollicup

If you're feeling this way, then I suggest just getting the vaccinations that are critical in the first year or two of life. Hib, DTaP and Prevar. My pedi said that most of her patients receive DTaP, Hib and some are now asking for Prevnar.

I know there are fears here about getting screwed-up with vaccinations, but think about how many vaccinations don't cause a reaction and are fine.

I completely disagree with this. Which vaccinations don't cause reactions? I was unaware that there were specific ones that don't cause reactions. Prevnar is known to increase the risk of staph. That is a pretty big negative. If you EBF your LO, Hib isn't really something to lose much sleep over. Also, remember, most of us were not vaxed for hib when we were babies, my mom never worried about the fact that I wasn't vaxed for it, and actually had never heard of it (which means she didn't know anyone whos child died from it.) I personally believe that the DTaP is one of the scariest shots.
OP-
I originally was like you. I tried researching, got completely overwhelmed and just decided to delay until I could learn more. I was nervous at first. My mom would send me every article she could find on stories of children with "vaccine preventable diseases". I started with Dr. Sears "The Vaccine Book", then started with the CDCs website, read up on ALL the diseases, how they are contracted, how long they last, seriousness, etc. I found that I was not nearly as afraid of most of the diseases. I feel that vaccines are scarier.
Read up on serotype replacement also.
Read about nutrition and the crucial part it plays in fighting off illnesses.
Research Vitamin D and its roll.
Basically, learn what you can about the immune system.
I try to take what I read (on both sides) with a grain of salt. I pay attention to studies, but most of my decision making has come from CDC.
Also, Look at the VAERS website. It will make your skin crawl. Vaccine reactions are not rare.
You will make the decision that is right for your family. You may come to a completely different decision than me or others. I'm happy that you are taking the time to research it.

[mamakah]

Originally Posted by ammiga

Just be aware that Dr. Sears has some serious bias towards vaxing. He sells a ton of books being a "natural" doctor that still recommends vaxing, as well as makes a ton of money off of his patients' vaxes. He says that newborns don't need Heb B because they aren't at risk, but then recommends it for 2 month olds. Hmmmm... does he see a lot of at risk 2 month olds? Or is he simply making money on that vax in his office, rather than having the hospital administer it at birth? I am very skeptical of Dr. Sears.

Very true! I don't think he has a good selective/delayed schedule. (Then again I'm a 'no vax' person.)
I thought this book was helpful in explaining the diseases, seriousness, etc. I use it as a reference for that and ignore his suggestions for vax schedules.

[mamakah]

Originally Posted by larkedyflarp

My daughter had an anaphylactic reaction to vaccines in the ped. office 2 years ago. I had a really bad feeling about getting them, it was her last round of the boosters, but I went ahead nervously thinking if I didn't do it I would be a bad mom.

Now I'm traumatized from that day, seeing all the doctors swoop in and walking out of the ped. office with my little girls carseat and her strapped to the top of stretcher and riding in an ambulance downtown. If I had only listened to instincts.

After that I decided I was done with vaccines for her or any other children we had and I've read so many books and articles that I have enough vested hours for a college degree in it!!

Based on my opinions from what I've read, if you can get your kid to 1 year old without getting pertussis/whooping cough then you're good as gold. But if they do get it then you might need to take them to the hospital but they'll recover with life long immunity. The Hib vaccine is for meningitis and that can be treated with antibiotics, it's bacteria. My parent's generation all had measles and mumps and it was no big deal. My generation had chicken pox and it was no big deal. My grandparents generation all got whooping cough and it's no big deal as long as you're not a little baby. Diptheria unlikely, tetanus clean your wounds. Polio 95% of the time it's no big deal but if you're worried don't let your kids swim in lakes and rivers since it's spread through feces I guess.

Don't do it unless you're sure and if you're not sure wait until you are.

just out of curiosity, did her Dr. report the reaction?

[hollyvangogh]

Thank you everybody! You've all been helpful. And I appreciate all the links and book recommendations. I actually have Dr. Sear's book but it's been a while since I read it (about a year ago I think). I'll look at it again. The encouragement has been the most helpful, I think. Thanks (and by all means, keep it coming)!!!!

[larkedyflarp]

Yes she did.

[Deborah]

Just wanted to say that whooping cough doesn't provide life-long immunity. Neither the vaccine nor the real thing. You might get a break of a year or two.

However, subsequent infections may be milder? Certainly we aren't all running around coughing our heads off every year or two.

[PPK]

Originally Posted by sages

Very true! I don't think he has a good selective/delayed schedule. (Then again I'm a 'no vax' person.)
I thought this book was helpful in explaining the diseases, seriousness, etc. I use it as a reference for that and ignore his suggestions for vax schedules.

I waited till around 20 months to start vaxing, and am doing selective at this point..I wouldn't do his selective vax schedule either, way too young, IMO. However, its for people who want their infants under 1 to be immunized from the diseases that have the worst consequences for infants. He gives advice for parents who wait until two or beyond as well.