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post #21 of 66
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Originally Posted by umsami View Post
The kiddies have individual US passports and are also on DH's Egyptian passport (kids do not have individual passports in Egypt). The main advantage is that we don't need to get visas for the kids when we visit Egypt... nor US visas when we come home. They enter Egypt on their Dad's passport, and then enter the US on their American passports.

The military service thing isn't an issue for dual-national kids.
It is for Iranians. DS won't be able to travel to Iran after he reaches the age of majority. In order to get an Iranian passport after he is 18, he will have to serve 2 years in the military.
post #22 of 66
Please don't deny your children a passport based on military service. I and my children have French and American citizenships.

1. Things can change. In our case, the military service stopped before I had my son.

2. Even if military service is required, in the case with France, they used to get a letter on their 18th birthday. They simply said, yes, I'll do it or no, I'll renounce my French nationality. No big deal. Let your child make this decision at the time. He'll (assuming it's a guy) will have documentation that he renounced his other citizenship instead of telling passport control simply that his parents never bothered to get him his other citizenship.

3. Sometimes there are ways around it and exceptions are not unheard of. I had a coworker, also French and American and over age 18. I was curious as I knew he grew up in the States. Turns out, when he joined the American military (voluntarily, not specifically for this reason) the two countries had an agreement and his American service counted. He got to keep both citizenships.

In some cases (Israel, just to give an example) if the young person is living elsewhere at certain times of their life (established resident, not a well-timed vacation or study abroad deal!), they can get an exemption. Some countries too offer non-military alternatives for non-residents. A deferment might also be possible.

So go ahead and do it, since you never know what the future may bring and you want to keep as many doors open for your child's future as possible. You still have many years to get the information your child will need.

I want to add that in some countries, if the parents are not the nationality of the child's birth, citizenship can hinge on what kind of education they opt for him or her. Here in France, for example, your child doesn't necessarily have to be in public school but if you opt for private, the child has to be following the French education system. If you put him or her in say, a British or American school, you may be limiting their citizen options in the future. I believe Italy has similar rules.

I have to say that getting my French nationality was almost as easy as renewing my 10 year residency. I don't think this is haphazard. I think they want spouses to become citizens.

Also, don't panic about the paperwork. They asked for my father's birth certificate. Turns out there were a few errors in it and when I contacted the whatevers in Pennslyvannia to get some sort of correction, they said my father would have to do it himself. Then when I told them there was a slight glitch (my father died in 1974) the procedure involved going to court in California (where he died and where I'm actually from...), getting everythings documented, etc. I called the courthouse here in France and gave them my little dramatic story, to which they said they would accept just my mother's and their marriage certificate.

The consulate can also do a little "swearing ceremony" in lieu of your FBI police records. Some accept this, some don't but it is easier than having to prove you don't have a police record back in the U.S.

Hope that helps any of you living elsewhere if you have the opportunity to get another citizenship!
post #23 of 66
Some countries require by law that all citizens must enter the country with the appropriate passport. For instance, American citizens who have dual citizenship must enter America using their American passport.
post #24 of 66
DD has the Spanish and UK passport, but when she turns 18 she has to choose as Spain doesn't recognized double citizenship on adults. I'm sure she'll pick the British, more useful.
post #25 of 66
My son has a German and a UK passport - not sure yet if he'll have to choose when he turns 18 but Germany has mandatory military service (or conscientious objector social service) for boys so once he turns 18 he'll probably just choose his UK citizenship - if that still applies. I agree with the pp who said that rules and regulations change all the time so it's best just to wait and see.
post #26 of 66
My children were born abroad to an American citizen (me), with their US citizenship we had no problem relocating to the US later on. My children are EU citizens and with that passport they can travel without problems and live in other EU countries when they're older.
post #27 of 66
My children have South African and British passports and technically they are also entitled to Zimbabwean and Namibian passports but we don't see the benefit of getting those for them.

We live in the UK and that is home for us all now but we have kept out SA passports just in case. After all having an extra passport can exactly do them any harm and who knows it might actually be beneficial one day.
post #28 of 66
My daughter has 2 (so will future children). She automatically acquired British citizenship at birth and we got her US passport shortly afterwards. This was so we could travel without any trouble (an immigration official with half a brain would know that she should have an American passport since I'm a citizen) and because we were planning on moving to the US at some point. Future kids will get both in case we ever decide to go back to Europe, or if they want to go. It is convenient to have an EU passport.

I'm a naturalized British citizen as well.
post #29 of 66
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Originally Posted by Irishmommy View Post
Irish and Canadian here, but they could have British too.

We are the same in this house but with American. My dd and I have Irish and American passports. She was born in the north of Ireland to Irish parents. DH's Irish was born here and I got my Irish citzenship by post nupital declaration. I was born in America. She is also eligible for a UK passport as DH. I could apply for UK citizenship but have no plans to. We got her Irish passport first because it was easier and we are here. After that we went to the US consulate to register her birth and get her passport. People eligible for US citizenship have to travel in and out the US on their American passports and we need the Irish to get home again. I applied for Irish citizenship because it makes life so much easier shorter lines at immigration, easier travel in Europe, no reapplying for EEA family permits, it makes proving my eligibility for work easier, I can get funding for courses, projects and eligible for government jobs and tax credits.
post #30 of 66
I'm American and DH is Canadian. We live in Canada. Right now, my kids are both Canadian and only ds1 has a US passport. We've been lazy about ds2. I intend to seek Canadian citizenship as soon as I can apply because we'd like for the whole family to travel on the same type of passport and we don't intend to move to the US. I'm not sure there's a whole lot of difference between travelling with a Canadian passport vs and American one (at least not now that there's a new administration...), so I'm not sure my kids would really need both. And I worry about them (both being boys) having to register for the draft when they're 18...
post #31 of 66
My DH has had both German and U.S. passports since he was a child. It's come in very very handy--he got his PhD and couldn't find an academic job he wanted in the U.S., but he was able to work anywhere in the EU with no hassle at all. When the time came, it was really nice to have an option to work outside the U.S. And now we have a European pension plan.

He's also used the German passport quite a bit when he traveled to countries where folks had anti-American sentiments. He often felt more comfortable being identified as an EU citizen than a U.S. citizen.
post #32 of 66
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Originally Posted by alekslasce View Post
DD has the Spanish and UK passport, but when she turns 18 she has to choose as Spain doesn't recognized double citizenship on adults. I'm sure she'll pick the British, more useful.

Alekslasce, I think it wont be necessary to choose. As far as I have reseached it is necessary to let Spanish Authorities know that one will keep the Spanish passport and then they will allow it. Some paperwork is involved. (This applies to nationality by birth from the parents nationality.)
post #33 of 66
The kids & I both have American & Australian passports. We only have the American ones because we have to have them to enter the US. I would like to be able to travel into the US on the Aus passport alone, but that would mean renouncing my US citizenship- which i am not willing to do.

Multiple passports are expensive. And I stress out endlessly at having to keep six of the damn things safe with me when the kids & I travel abroad. DH only has an Australian passport, so he's laughing. Except at the passport control queues.
post #34 of 66
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Originally Posted by humptydumpty View Post
Alekslasce, I think it wont be necessary to choose. As far as I have reseached it is necessary to let Spanish Authorities know that one will keep the Spanish passport and then they will allow it. Some paperwork is involved. (This applies to nationality by birth from the parents nationality.)
I understand that you can only have one EU citizenship as an adult. It doesn't matter as they can still work and live in any EU country. Some EU citizens are even allowed to vote in certain elections if they live in another EU country.
post #35 of 66
Benefits and risk really depend on what country you are talking aobut. For example with China, china does not recognize dual citizenship and if you some how have 2 (have chinese by birth, but you have moved away and aquired another citizenship) you are suposed to renounce the other county's citizenship. If you enter china on their passport you have absolutly no rights as a citizen of canada (or wherever). citienship is very complicated there. Can't really see much benefit for my children to aquire chinese citizenship and renounce canada's. When we travel to China, my husband enters on his Canadian passport.
post #36 of 66
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all your responses. My dh is from Thailand. I am American and we're living in the USA. We do not have plans to travel to Thailand anytime soon. One interesting thing that I found was that Thailand does not find parental kiddnapping a crime and the USA is unable to make Thailand return a duel-citizenship child. This is hopefully not an issue for us as our mariage is good but scary just the same.
post #37 of 66
Yes, we have to as well for the Kiddo. As a child to a German Citizen, Kiddo is obligated to enter the EU and Germany with a German Passport. And heck, of course it's a lot easier to enter with the 2 same passports. Not to mention a whole lot of other travel....even not that long ago a US citizen was not traveling to Cuba with his US passport just so...

There are a LOT of countries were it is a lot easier to enter with to EU passports, than it would be with one EU passtport and one US passport. Going to eastern Europe is a lot easier with German Passports than it is with American Passports. Verified personal experiences.

The whole "military service" thing might be a completely different ballgame 20 years from now, especially in Germany. Germany was debating for the last 15 year switching to a completely voluntary model instead of a "draft", but hey, we'll see. Having lived there the first 24 years I am not worried about it, all my friends and family found a way to avoid weapons on their hands and so will my son, if he so choses. There are ways around unvoluntary "serving" if that's what you chose to do.
post #38 of 66
Canadian & American here, too, for same reasons as stated above
post #39 of 66
My children have access to between 3 and 4 different passports due to where they were born and where we were born. As stated before, some of these countries insist you use their own passport to enter and exit if you hold dual/multiple nationalities.

The reason we have gone through the hassle and expense of applying for each passport is not as simple as breezing through passport lines/queues. As a PP said, it is not all breezy when holding multiple nationalities. In addition to military service, I believe there are also international tax laws that can set you back a fair bit with some countries! However we still feel that for our family, the benefits are worthwhile.

We live in very intense, global times and it is hard to predict what the future holds. Each child has the right to become a citizen of the countries so we do not feel able to make the choice for them. When they are 18, they will have to choose as most of the countries will not allow an adult to hold more than 2 nationalities. But they can make that decision based on the political/economic climate of the times.

In the mean time as people who travel fairly frequently, we have seen passport/visa laws which constantly change and evolve so we wanted to apply for the passports now. You never know what policy changes each new administration brings to international relations. An example of something simple is that when we were applying for a job in one country, we were given the job but could not get a visa through one nationality. However a new visa had just been issued to my husband's 2nd country of residence and so we were able to take that job. Had he not chosen to hold that 2nd nationality we would have had to turn down a dream job simply due to visa constraints.

Each country for us holds an emotional bond or root so we feel that we have to initially make the connection with the country and then see how everything unfolds as we continue on life's journey.

Something interesting to note is that, in most countries, children do not have the right to give up their citizenship. My husband's parents immigrated when he was a child , but he was able to reapply as an adult for the citizenship of his country of birth.
post #40 of 66
DS has three passports, UK, US and Argentine. His dad is Scottish, I am from the States and he was born in Argentina. When he turns 18 he will have to choose two.

Our current bean will have the same but Costa Rican instead of Argentine.

It has been so much easier in terms of travelling and visas.
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