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post #101 of 142
4/30/09 at 9:28am
I have 2 circed sons and my third son is intact. I tell everyone who is expecting a boy that I regret and now reject circumcision.

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post #102 of 142
4/30/09 at 12:44pm
My intact son is almost 6. He was born in Illinois and we now live in Ohio. Never had any negative comments or anything. Where we lived in IL, there were plenty of intact boys (diverse neighborhood).
post #103 of 142
4/30/09 at 11:21pm
I live near St. Louis. Around here it seems like it is almost 100% circ. I worked in my church nursery for years and only came across 2 families who didn't circ.

My 5yo DS is intact, and as far as I know, all his friends are circ'd.
post #104 of 142
5/27/09 at 1:01pm
Here in Cleveland I have my 10 month old DS. Very intact!
post #105 of 142
5/27/09 at 1:30pm
I live outside Philadelphia and have 3 intact boys...my 2 year and 7 week old twins
post #106 of 142
5/27/09 at 1:32pm
I'm in MN.
post #107 of 142
5/27/09 at 5:46pm
Northern Il and my son born 2-28-09 is intact. i must give the credit to MDC for that too. I jsut didn't know any different when I was pregnant with my DD (2006). So glad she was a girl.

All my friends son's are circced, but in my HB Bradley classes (4 couples) no one was going to circ and in my HB meetup I think there are very few boys that are circc'ed.
post #108 of 142
5/27/09 at 6:44pm
Not sure exactly what the circ rate here in TX is but its home to a lot of circumcisers who seem to enjoy it and promote it. I've heard of horror stories of parents trying to opt out of it only to be pressured into it and later those parents truely regreted their decision. Its sad.

Had the first ds in the hosptial, I'll spare you of that horror story. He ended up being circ'd despite my protest against it. I was a stupid first time mom with no backbone.

Had the rest of my kids at home. I've vowed to NEVER deliver in a hospital ever again!

2 intact boys.
post #109 of 142
5/27/09 at 7:29pm
Well, we live in colorado, and I have no clue what the circ rate is here, but only our youngest son (river, 3 weeks old) was born here. Kincaid (5 years old) and Travis (almost 2 years old) were both born in Michigan...but at university of michigan in ann arbor, where the nurses say their circ rate was about 50% when Kincaid was born and 30% when Travis was born...so a tiny subset of michigan where circ rates aren't nearly as high.

All 3 were born in hospital, we were asked during the intake questions if we planned on circing, we said no, and that was it, it wasn't really mentioned again.

I assume our sons are the only people in our families, even extended families, who aren't circumcised...but if my brother were to have kids (umm, very very unlikely, he has aspergers and in his own words he "hates people" and he has never dated anyone in his life) he wouldn't circ them...he started his campaign for us to not circ Kincaid the day of our ultrasound, including sending us his bullshit dvds...we let it go on for awhile before letting him know we'd made the decision to not circumcise way back in 2002 when we were pregnant with DD.
post #110 of 142
5/27/09 at 10:09pm
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Had the first ds in the hosptial, I'll spare you of that horror story. He ended up being circ'd despite my protest against it. I was a stupid first time mom with no backbone.
That's horrible! Were you able to take legal action against the hospital?
post #111 of 142
5/28/09 at 12:33am
Not sure what the rate is here in central MN (fairly high, I suspect), but we're the proud new parents of an intact baby boy!
post #112 of 142
5/28/09 at 12:40am
In Oklahoma here. Circ country, most definitely. I know a total of 3 intact males including my son. I get some of the NASTIEST looks when people hear my DS isn't circ'd. Like I've been abusing him or something. I called an after hours nurse line recently to ask a question regarding a rash down there and the woman made some pretty rude commentary when I told her he's intact. Needless to say, I ripped her a new one. I think it's incredibly ironic that THEY look at ME with such disdain when they are the ones who have chopped off a vital portion of their child's sex organ. His doctor just about keeled over the first time she opened his diaper. She said that he is the first intact boy she's seen in TWENTY YEARS. She's a PEDIATRICIAN.

As for the lack of information about intact care, it is a HUGE problem. I wish more OB/GYN offices would hand out pamphlets providing intact info. I believe if more soon to be parents understood the functions, purposes, and easy care of the foreskin, more people would be willing to go against their social conditioning. The problem that I've noticed about people here though, they don't WANT to hear the info. As far as my experience goes, they get irrationally angry and defensive when the subject is brought up. They think you're trying to "con" them into being a :. Which here in the midwest (at least where I live) is despised. "A man's not a man without a circ'd penis." Yes, I've *actually* had someone say that to me before.
post #113 of 142
5/28/09 at 1:24am
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That's horrible! Were you able to take legal action against the hospital?
believe it or not, I tried to. I went to the hospital to retrieve a consent form. I wanted to see what it said. Surely we had to sign something in order for them to do it right? Evidently, a consent form was never signed because its no where to be found in the records. I have grounds to sue. I KNOW I have a case! He has meatal stenosis. There is a clear injury from his operation, there was NO INFORMED CONSENT! Especially since my son was the patient and no one asked him. and this 'consent by proxy' for an unnecessary surgery is BS!

The lawyer I spoke to didn't think I have a case because the statue of limitations for TX to sue a doctor over a circumcision is one yr. Or maybe its two yrs. ??? oh crap I forgot, now I've got to go dig for that info...

We switched pediatricians after his unwarranted circumcision. Looking back I now realize, the new pediatrician was just covering the ass of the pediatrician that harmed my ds. He kept saying his buried penis "was normal", his tight painful erections which would make my ds scream "was normal"... His meatal stenosis: he wouldn't dx but referred us to a urologist who said, "This wouldn't have happened if he wasn't circumcised!" That gave me the guts I needed to pursue action against the pediatrician who injured my ds.

Ds was 3, just a few months shy of 4 yrs old before I took the intuitive to sue.

The other thing was, there is a cap on medical injuries like 200k or 300k (sorry I suck at exact figures) and the lawyers fee was about that much he said. My ds would get nothing. Everything would go to the lawyer, another thing he said. I think that lawyer didn't like me.

I'm sure a lawyer will represent him when he is 18. At that time he can pursue litigation on his own. Which sucks in a way because its reliving trauma and I'd rather win it for him (it would go into a trust fund with his name on it and I'd never see a penny - its his) so he doesn't have to fight. Maybe this fight will be liberating for him, who knows.
post #114 of 142
5/28/09 at 9:21am
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believe it or not, I tried to. I went to the hospital to retrieve a consent form. I wanted to see what it said. Surely we had to sign something in order for them to do it right? Evidently, a consent form was never signed because its no where to be found in the records. I have grounds to sue. I KNOW I have a case! He has meatal stenosis. There is a clear injury from his operation, there was NO INFORMED CONSENT! Especially since my son was the patient and no one asked him. and this 'consent by proxy' for an unnecessary surgery is BS!

The lawyer I spoke to didn't think I have a case because the statue of limitations for TX to sue a doctor over a circumcision is one yr. Or maybe its two yrs. ??? oh *LoveU* I forgot, now I've got to go dig for that info...

We switched pediatricians after his unwarranted circumcision. Looking back I now realize, the new pediatrician was just covering the *LoveU* of the pediatrician that harmed my ds. He kept saying his buried penis "was normal", his tight painful erections which would make my ds scream "was normal"... His meatal stenosis: he wouldn't dx but referred us to a urologist who said, "This wouldn't have happened if he wasn't circumcised!" That gave me the guts I needed to pursue action against the pediatrician who injured my ds.

Ds was 3, just a few months shy of 4 yrs old before I took the intuitive to sue.

The other thing was, there is a cap on medical injuries like 200k or 300k (sorry I suck at exact figures) and the lawyers fee was about that much he said. My ds would get nothing. Everything would go to the lawyer, another thing he said. I think that lawyer didn't like me.

I'm sure a lawyer will represent him when he is 18. At that time he can pursue litigation on his own. Which sucks in a way because its reliving trauma and I'd rather win it for him (it would go into a trust fund with his name on it and I'd never see a penny - its his) so he doesn't have to fight. Maybe this fight will be liberating for him, who knows.
Wow, what a heart wrenching story! I'm so sorry that happened to you and your DS. I can totally understand why you would never want to give birth in a hospital again. My own two kids were born at home and I was always a little worried about what would happen if a hospital transfer occurred. Here in Michigan, we have a high circ rate. My son's doctor sees mostly circ'ed boys, so I gave him the standard "do you know not to retract him?" lecture.
post #115 of 142
5/28/09 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by Dani&B View Post
In Oklahoma here. Circ country, most definitely. I know a total of 3 intact males including my son. I get some of the NASTIEST looks when people hear my DS isn't circ'd. Like I've been abusing him or something. I called an after hours nurse line recently to ask a question regarding a rash down there and the woman made some pretty rude commentary when I told her he's intact. Needless to say, I ripped her a new one. I think it's incredibly ironic that THEY look at ME with such disdain when they are the ones who have chopped off a vital portion of their child's sex organ. His doctor just about keeled over the first time she opened his diaper. She said that he is the first intact boy she's seen in TWENTY YEARS. She's a PEDIATRICIAN.

As for the lack of information about intact care, it is a HUGE problem. I wish more OB/GYN offices would hand out pamphlets providing intact info. I believe if more soon to be parents understood the functions, purposes, and easy care of the foreskin, more people would be willing to go against their social conditioning. The problem that I've noticed about people here though, they don't WANT to hear the info. As far as my experience goes, they get irrationally angry and defensive when the subject is brought up. They think you're trying to "con" them into being a :. Which here in the midwest (at least where I live) is despised. "A man's not a man without a circ'd penis." Yes, I've *actually* had someone say that to me before.
Wow. I'm sorry for the ignorance that you deal with.

I mean, seriously, if your intact son had a rash down there, then if he was circ'ed his glans would be exposed to it, increasing his risk of meatal stenosis. I mean, do people not think or what?

It's just amazing that circ has become so normalized that people think that you're neglecting your kids by not having it done. It's cosmetic surgery for pete's sake!

I find it amazing that your ped has only seen 1 intact boy in 20 years. There must be some pretty heavy marketing of circ to all expectant parents. I mean, you would think that she had seen a few other intact boys in all that time. Weird.
post #116 of 142
5/28/09 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by Dani&B View Post
In Oklahoma here. Circ country, most definitely. I know a total of 3 intact males including my son. I get some of the NASTIEST looks when people hear my DS isn't circ'd. Like I've been abusing him or something. I called an after hours nurse line recently to ask a question regarding a rash down there and the woman made some pretty rude commentary when I told her he's intact. Needless to say, I ripped her a new one. I think it's incredibly ironic that THEY look at ME with such disdain when they are the ones who have chopped off a vital portion of their child's sex organ. His doctor just about keeled over the first time she opened his diaper. She said that he is the first intact boy she's seen in TWENTY YEARS. She's a PEDIATRICIAN.

As for the lack of information about intact care, it is a HUGE problem. I wish more OB/GYN offices would hand out pamphlets providing intact info. I believe if more soon to be parents understood the functions, purposes, and easy care of the foreskin, more people would be willing to go against their social conditioning. The problem that I've noticed about people here though, they don't WANT to hear the info. As far as my experience goes, they get irrationally angry and defensive when the subject is brought up. They think you're trying to "con" them into being a :. Which here in the midwest (at least where I live) is despised. "A man's not a man without a circ'd penis." Yes, I've *actually* had someone say that to me before.
I hope you gave the person, who made those rude comments on the hotline, a good earful. Not only are they out of line, but they are also breaking their professional code by spreading unfounded opinions. Their job is to factually inform you, not cause you unwarranted stress. Personally, I would have complained. The pediatrician's comments are also strange. It would be interesting to know the demographics of your area, but there have been def. posters on here from Oklahoma; so you are not alone. Obviously, in populated, urban areas the circ. rate is lower than in the more rural areas.
post #117 of 142
5/28/09 at 12:32pm
Dani&B, I'm from Oklahoma too (born, raised, and currently live there).
post #118 of 142
5/28/09 at 3:10pm
In tact son in Canton, GA! (small town N. of Atlanta)
post #119 of 142
5/28/09 at 3:40pm
I live in the midwest, have an intact son, and another on the way. Almost no one I am personally friends with chooses to circ, but outside my crunchy little circle it's shocking....
post #120 of 142
5/28/09 at 6:45pm
I live in TX (not exactly mid-west but my area is a high circ area). My son is intact and no problems ever.
We have friends from the neighborhood who have a son about the same age as mine. By all definitions, they look like the kind of family that would circ (meaning fairly mainstream). They didn't. Everything else is pretty mainstream about them and they are both very educated people. They once saw a documentary about David Reimer. That made them decide that they wouldn't circumcise any sons of theirs. I liked them very much before I knew their son was intact but once I found out I was thrilled! My point being - even though some of us live in a high circ rate area, we may never really know who is intact because it's just not something that always comes up in conversation, you know?
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