HELP! I need opionions and info ASAP

[Pogo0685]

HELP I have my 2 month well baby visit on Wednesday, and I don't want to vax, my husband wants to selective vax, the problem is we are having problems figuring out what to do, so my question is what would you do, and if you selective vax, what ones do you do. And if you have any information on where I can find any info on vax that isn't pro vax please let me know. I know im asking this kinda late im sorry. My doctor does not care either way, he actually says we shouldn't do some of them. And really any and all opinions are welcome. TYIA

[SunshineJ]

Honestly I would do none of them right now. I would suggest looking at the recommended vaccination schedule to see what it is your child would be eligible for at this age, and taking the time you need to research it until you're both comfortable with the decision. You do NOT have to rush into this, and if/when you decide there are vaccines you'd like your child to have you can always make an appointment just for that. If your child doesn't get them until 3 months instead of 2, chances are it won't make a bit of difference and you'll both feel more comfortable with the decisions that you've made.

[mamadelbosque]

I'd delay till your sure one way or another. Because you can *always* give vaccines later. But once they're in there, you can't take them back.

[Mom2Mason]

Like others have suggested, I would hold of on getting anything done on Wednesday, and give yourself time to do some research. I highly recommend you read Dr. Sears' Vaccine Book. After doing more research, I came to different conclusions than him on some of the vaccines, and we are doing a very selective schedule, as opposed to his alternative schedule, that gets all of the vaxes in at a slower rate. That being said, it was an invaluable resource for me to get all the diseases and vaccines organized in my mind as a jumping-off point for more research. Also, I recommend the website insidevaccines.com.

ETA: If you go to the delayed/selective board up top, there's a thread there where others have posted their schedules. Of course, you'll need to do your research and decide what you're comfortable with, but seeing other schedules might help you get started.

[xmasbaby7]

Slow down and take a deep breath.

In a fantasy world, each of you can agree to research this together. Each of you can assign yourselves a book, like Romm's Vaccinations: A thoughtful parent's guide and the Dr. Sear's book on Vaccines. Talk through things you learn. This will be a real marriage exercise because this is a very emotional responsibility to protecting your babe. Try and remain reporters and scientists proving which vaccine would enhance the health of your family.

Start a list of all of the vaccines and their corresponding disease and look at rates of each disease in this country and methods for treatment of each disease. See which ones you feel are more serious than others based on your lifestyle (breastfeeding, daycare, upcoming travel to endemic areas of the world, etc.)

Look at each of your families' patterns of autoimmune diseases and determine if you think your babe is genetically predisposed to react to vaccines. Asthma, allergies, eczema, diabetes, MS, arthritis, autism, etc. There are studies, though small, that suggest a connection with increased autoimmue diseases and vaccinations.

Don't involve your pediatrician into this until you both feel like you know a little about each vaccine, which are live and viral or bacterial, for example or the conversation won't really be a conversation.

Many of us started out very scared and clueless, but it takes time to find enough information to make an unemotional, rational decision that will let you sleep at night without worry. Most of us get there! You will, too!

[Ophelia]

I agree with others, hold off completely until you can both come to an agreement and both feel completely comfortable with that agreement. If you do not feel comfortable giving vaxes right now before you have had a chance to research more, I think the worst thing you can do is cave and give in to your husband and give some vaxes. Believe me, I know. I did that. And nearly 3 years later we are still having relationship issues because of it (among other health issues we disagree on). He does finally understand a little bit better that DS is not going to automatically die if he doesn't get all shots, but I still think I have not forgiven him for bullying and harrassing me into them.

I have book, DVD and starter website information linked on my website. The ones I recommend for starting:

-http://www.insidevaccines.com
-Aviva Jill Romm's vaccination book
-Dr. Jay Gordon's DVD
-Dr. Sheri Tenpenny video (linked on my site)

Get your DH if you can to at least watch the videos.

[alegna]

Delay and research.

-Angela

[ammiga]

You should BOTH

Watch:
"Vaccination- The Hidden Truth"
"Vaccine Nation"
Dr. Tenpenny's videos

Read:
"How to Raise a Healthy Child... In Spite of Your Doctor", by Dr. Mendelsohn
books by Aviva Romm

Links:
http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web1.html (and read through the links on the bottom)
http://www.sunherb.com/truth_about_vaccines.htm
http://poisonevercure.150m.com/vaccines7.htm
http://www.thinktwice.com/sids.htm
http://www.consumerhealth.org/articl...19990705002005

Like everyone else said, you can always give a vaccine later, but you can never take one back. Be prepared for your pedi to have one vax that they do push. Almost every pedi has a "pet vaccine", and they will push "just that one, even if you don't get anything else." Don't be pushed into anything on that visit. Going home and researching for a while won't hurt anything!

[Marnica]

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Delay and research. Don't do anything until you feel you are fully informed.

I's add another book

Vaccination: 100 years of orthodox research by Dr. Vera Schreiber

[Turquesa]

DH and I watched Dr. Jay Gordon's video together, and it really helped us solidify our vax decisions. He takes a very level-headed approach to the issue.

[Pogo0685]

Thank you so much everyone, we are doing to wait to do them if at all. DH only wants to do them if there is a good chance that our son will die without them, and that not likely to be true so we probably wont be doing any at all. But we agreed we needed to research thoroughly before making that choice. So we will just tell the doctor no. He does have his one pet vax, its the hep B one and the one that is 3 vaccines in one he also said we should make sure to get that one because its easier that way. Thank you all again :

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by Pogo0685

Thank you so much everyone, we are doing to wait to do them if at all. DH only wants to do them if there is a good chance that our son will die without them, and that not likely to be true so we probably wont be doing any at all. But we agreed we needed to research thoroughly before making that choice. So we will just tell the doctor no. He does have his one pet vax, its the hep B one and the one that is 3 vaccines in one he also said we should make sure to get that one because its easier that way. Thank you all again :

That's so interesting that a ped's pet vax would be Hep B. I've heard of HIB, DTaP, but Hep B come on now!! Ask him why he thinks your newborn is at high risk of contracting Hep B at this stage in his/her life. Ive love to know what he says to that.

[Emmeline II]

Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vax.

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Inside Vaccines

Vaccines-The Risks, the Benefits, the Choices DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552


http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...k-chapters.htm
http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40451107552&q=
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...87981735&hl=en
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...ses&deaths.pdf

[ammiga]

Originally Posted by Marnica

That's so interesting that a ped's pet vax would be Hep B. I've heard of HIB, DTaP, but Hep B come on now!! Ask him why he thinks your newborn is at high risk of contracting Hep B at this stage in his/her life. Ive love to know what he says to that.

Our pedi's pet vax was rotavirus... for my bf baby

Hep b is a strange one!

[an_domhan]

Originally Posted by Pogo0685

HELP I have my 2 month well baby visit on Wednesday, and I don't want to vax, my husband wants to selective vax, the problem is we are having problems figuring out what to do, so my question is what would you do, and if you selective vax, what ones do you do. And if you have any information on where I can find any info on vax that isn't pro vax please let me know. I know im asking this kinda late im sorry. My doctor does not care either way, he actually says we shouldn't do some of them. And really any and all opinions are welcome. TYIA

I don't particularly agree with the concept of "well visits" in general, so I don't know that I'd be much help. I think there are "some" vaccines that are pretty effective, measles for example. HOWEVER, I'm very much opposed to vaccinating children under the age of 2 and would not vaccinate a child under this age for several reasons.

1. Critical developmental stage
2. Verbal, ie. can communicate and tell you if they are hurt, having a reaction, etc... whereby a 6 month old simply screams.
3. Breastmilk interference, and I strongly believe that a child should be breastfed as long as possible and weaned by the child, not the mum... and find it to be more protective than vaccines based on delivery routes and the fact that breastmilk is a living substance.

I've got more, but then we don't have all day

[Pogo0685]

Well the visit went really well, he wants to do hep b because I was a homebirth transfer to a hospital and he thinks my midwife might have failed to read my blood test results so he thinks I *might* have hep b based on the fact I had a midwife not a doctor. Very stupid. But anyway he said we should also do tetnus (sorry I cant figure out the spelling on that one) and polio but I doubt we will do any at all. I just want to do well baby visits just in case anything happens we will have a good relationship with the doctor, and so I can see how much he weighs in their scale as opposed to my scale, but according to them my son shrunk 3 inches in the last few weeks : on my last midwife visit on March 25th he was 25 inches, when they measured him today (the nurse in not qualified to work at burger king IMO, I really don't like her) he was only 22 inches.

[laohaire]

Originally Posted by Pogo0685

Well the visit went really well, he wants to do hep b because I was a homebirth transfer to a hospital and he thinks my midwife might have failed to read my blood test results so he thinks I *might* have hep b based on the fact I had a midwife not a doctor. Very stupid.

You know what's funny is, my DH was all pro-vax and we were butting heads about it. I insisted he do research. He said fine, but he would research HIS way (i.e. from the pro-vax side). Fair enough.

It was the stupid crap he read from the pro-vax side that changed his mind.

So stupid stuff like what your doctor said is the reason that it's not a debate in our house anymore. Hysterical.

[ammiga]

Originally Posted by Pogo0685

Well the visit went really well, he wants to do hep b because I was a homebirth transfer to a hospital and he thinks my midwife might have failed to read my blood test results so he thinks I *might* have hep b based on the fact I had a midwife not a doctor. Very stupid. But anyway he said we should also do tetnus (sorry I cant figure out the spelling on that one) and polio but I doubt we will do any at all. I just want to do well baby visits just in case anything happens we will have a good relationship with the doctor, and so I can see how much he weighs in their scale as opposed to my scale, but according to them my son shrunk 3 inches in the last few weeks : on my last midwife visit on March 25th he was 25 inches, when they measured him today (the nurse in not qualified to work at burger king IMO, I really don't like her) he was only 22 inches.

Don't you love how they say that you should do tetanus, but it's really a three-part vax? And one of the most reactive ones too.

Once I did my research on polio, I wasn't scared of it at all. I'm also not too worried about an infant getting tetanus. If you bfing, that is better protection against WC than the vax. I know three people that got WC, and all three were fully vaxed.

I'm glad you had an overall good experience! We did WBV with dd for the first year for the same reasons. Now that I'm not a nervous mom anymore, we'll just go in every 1-2 years for a check-up. With my next dc, I'll probably do one or two visits during the first year and then only as needed. Congratulations on your baby!