SIDS and Vaccines?

[mommyofemma]

Do you think there is a connection between SIDS and immunizations?..Someone I know just lost their almost 5month old baby boy, supposedly due to SIDS. I know I've heard things between relating SIDS to vaccines, just wanted to see if anyone on here had any info. I don't know the vax status of the baby, but I'm pretty sure he was vaxed, not many people around here aren't.

[Marnica]

Absolutely there is a connection. It was originally linked to the DPT shot. I reccommend you look at Dr. Vera Schrieber's research on this. She is the one who hypothesized the link in the 1980's when she was doing research. She wrote extensively on this connection and vaccines in general. She of course has since been labled a quack by mainstream medical folks.

Read this about allopathic efforts to ban anything alternative from wikipedia...weird!
http://www.*********/a/wikipedia.html

she wrote about this connection in her book "Vaccination 100 Years of Orthodox Research"

Dr. Coulter and Barbara Loe Fisher wrote about this connection in their book "DPT: A Shot in the Dark"

Here are a couple of articles by Dr. Coulter about SIDS and seizures
http://www.*********/v/coulter1.html
http://www.*********/v/coulter2.html
http://www.*********/m/quotes17.html

What I think is funny is that the medical establishments says WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT CAUSES SIDS. Yet they are quick to deny any link to vaccinations. If you are admitting you don't know what causes it, how can you say vaccinations do not play a role????

[mommyofemma]

I totally agree with you. I believe there is a connection, but it is so hard to get anyone around here to believe me!!!So frustrating. I guess I need to just stop worrying about everyone else and take care of my DD the best way I know how!

[mommyofemma]

Originally Posted by Marnica

Absolutely there is a connection. It was originally linked to the DPT shot.

The DTP would be a vaccine he would of been given at his 4month check up right?....We don't give vaccines so Im not even sure of what vaccine is given when!

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by mommyofemma

The DTP would be a vaccine he would of been given at his 4month check up right?....We don't give vaccines so Im not even sure of what vaccine is given when!

DTP is no longer given. Now it is the DTaP. This doesn't mean that the link is no longer there as others would have you believe. SIDS has also been linked to other vaccines including the Hep B vax. DTaP is given at 2,4 6 and 15 month (booster)

[mommyofemma]

Oh..Well ok..I dont really know the whole circumstances of the situation, but I knew that SIDS could be somehow linked to vaccines..Thanks for the info.

[Ophelia]

I'm sorry to hear that

And my understanding is that SIDS is a catch-all term when they cannot determine what really happened.

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[an_domhan]

Originally Posted by Marnica

http://www.*********/a/wikipedia.html

Here are a couple of articles by Dr. Coulter about SIDS and seizures
http://www.*********/v/coulter1.html
http://www.*********/v/coulter2.html
http://www.*********/m/quotes17.html

********* is probably (likely) not a source that skeptics take seriously. Vera got the Bent Spoon award, so they don't take her seriously either... even though paleontology is a very rich field that only those that respect life can embark upon, since she is not studied in immunology, she is kind of disqualified regardless of what she has to say. Apparently, unless your name is Orac, Kevin Leitch, or Prometheus, you can't speak about a field you aren't trained in....

[Jadzia]

What really opened my eyes a few years back about vaccines and SIDS was reading through VAERS death reports. I was shocked at how many deaths were reported as SIDS immediately following vaccinations. It really convinced me.

[angie7]

Absolutely, hands down I believe vaccines and SIDS have a connection. You just can not look at the deaths so closely followed by a vaccine and not put 2 and 2 together. I have never read a story of a family that lost a child to SIDS that was not recently vaxed, never.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by an_domhan

********* is probably (likely) not a source that skeptics take seriously. Vera got the Bent Spoon award, so they don't take her seriously either... even though paleontology is a very rich field that only those that respect life can embark upon, since she is not studied in immunology, she is kind of disqualified regardless of what she has to say. Apparently, unless your name is Orac, Kevin Leitch, or Prometheus, you can't speak about a field you aren't trained in....

I knew somebody would take issue with Whale. to ...somebody always does whenever it is mentioned.
It's funny that nobody had anything negative to say about Viera until she started writing about the dangers of vaccines. She stumbled upon the connection between SIDS and vaccines quite by accident through her research (developing cotwatch). She had not been "anti-vaccine" until she made this discovery. Skeptics do not take anything seriously unless it is information from a person what they feel is qualified ie an alloptahically trained medical doctor. In any case why should she be any different than any of the others who speak out on vaccination dangers. Haven't you heard?? They are ALL QUACKS!!

Have you read Vaccinations: 100 years of orthodox research?? If not it is a must read, It is referenced up the wazoo.

[carriebft]

I think whaleto is ridiculous and absolutely unreliable. If something is worth reading, it will not ONLY be printed there. I refuse to read things that are found on the same page as conspiracy theories such as "Princess Di was controlled by reptiles" or the other tripe they print.

That said, my thoughts on SIDS are:

-the effect of vaccines on SIDS is overstated by many
*however*
-I think it is possible that there may be cases where SIDS is the diagnosis but vaccines (or a myriad of other things that are more concrete than SIDS) was actually the cause.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by carriebft

I think whaleto is ridiculous and absolutely unreliable. If something is worth reading, it will not ONLY be printed there. I refuse to read things that are found on the same page as conspiracy theories such as "Princess Di was controlled by reptiles" or the other tripe they print.

You certainly are entitled to your opinion. Do you reject anything written by any of the docs or others they have listed there as resources as well?? BTW much of what is printed there can be found elsewhere

[PaigeC]

I think ********* like all pages is valuable for its references. The site may be biased but it links to information that is not.

In addition to the links previously posted, check out the lists of citations and articles:
http://www.*********/vaccine/sids1.html
http://www.*********/vaccine/sids.html

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by mommyofemma

Do you think there is a connection between SIDS and immunizations?..Someone I know just lost their almost 5month old baby boy, supposedly due to SIDS. I know I've heard things between relating SIDS to vaccines, just wanted to see if anyone on here had any info.

If they can't find a way to blame the parents with Shaken Baby, they will call it SIDS.

What I think is funny is that the medical establishments says WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT CAUSES SIDS. Yet they are quick to deny any link to vaccinations. If you are admitting you don't know what causes it, how can you say vaccinations do not play a role????

I really should sit down some day and make a list of all the contradictions the vaccine movement gets away with.

[Deborah]

I really should sit down some day and make a list of all the contradictions the vaccine movement gets away with.

Start with a really big piece of paper.

[carriebft]

Originally Posted by Marnica

You certainly are entitled to your opinion. Do you reject anything written by any of the docs or others they have listed there as resources as well?? BTW much of what is printed there can be found elsewhere

Why would I even look twice at a website that gives credit to reptile domination theories? I use that example because it's the funniest, but there are other, more amazingly ridiculous than that.

So, in answer to your question, any doctor that seeks to have their stuff on whaleto is seriously suspect to me.

If someone wanted me to take their argument seriously (and I think this goes for a lot of people here who might not want to come out and say it), they would have to argue with evidence not from that site (yes, so, take it from elsewhere and we could discuss).

I think it makes us all, selective and non vaccinators, look bad when we post stuff from whale. it makes people laugh instead of pay attention.

[Deborah]

It is a problem. I don't like the craziness. On the other hand, there is material there which is valuable and not currently available anywhere else.

For one example, Dr. Sandler's (sp?) book on polio and the sugar connection. Dr. Sandler was long dead by the time ********* posted his book, so we can't hold him responsible. But it is interesting material, and as far as I know it is only available on *********.

I'm hoping someone else will start compiling some of this valuable stuff on the web, without the reptiles (and also without the pharma reps, who have a sort of resemblance...)

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by Deborah

It is a problem. I don't like the craziness. On the other hand, there is material there which is valuable and not currently available anywhere else.

For one example, Dr. Sandler's (sp?) book on polio and the sugar connection. Dr. Sandler was long dead by the time ********* posted his book, so we can't hold him responsible. But it is interesting material, and as far as I know it is only available on *********.

I'm hoping someone else will start compiling some of this valuable stuff on the web, without the reptiles (and also without the pharma reps, who have a sort of resemblance...)

Agreed. There is stuff on there from Walter Hadwen too that I found very valuable.
It is a wacky site, but like everything, I take what I find valuable and leave the rest.

CarrieBbft

So, in answer to your question, any doctor that seeks to have their stuff on whaleto is seriously suspect to me.

I also to do not think doctors or others "put" their work on *********. or seek to have their owrk posted there. Mostly it is links to stuff and articles and summaries of information that comes from someplace else.

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

SIDS has been around since humans have. But I do honestly think that a lot of SIDS cases can be linked back to vax.

There is something in a babies brain who passes from SIDS that isnt right and when you introduce vax I think it can and does affect it. Would some babies die of SIDS without vax definatly. Will some die because of the vax and it be labeled as SIDS definatly.

It is something no one has really studied that I am aware of but there is no way so many babies die after a vax is just a coincidence.