Is this normal/common? - asked to get DTaP vax after birth. - Page 2

[mamakay]

Also, if you want to make it easy, do a literature search on the acellular vaccine and if it promotes phagocytosis. It doesn't. It should, but it just doesn't, and no one knows why.

Also:

http://iai.asm.org/cgi/reprint/58/10/3445

This is consistent with animal experiments which suggest that adhesins not targeted by the vaccine may permit a bit of colonization and that neutralization of pertussis toxin would limit the severity of the disease but would not have an impact on the initial stages of infection.

There's also a weirdo "original antigenic sin" thing the vaccine does:

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi...10.1086/381204

Of particular interest is the lack of a significant ACT antibody response in children for whom the DTP or DTaP vaccines failed. This induced tolerance is intriguing and may be due to the phenomenon called “original antigenic sin”

Immunity to ACT is very important for clearance of pertussis. That the vax impares the ability to form immunity to that toxin is disturbing, to say the least.

[japonica]

There's also a weirdo "original antigenic sin" thing the vaccine does:

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi...10.1086/381204


Quote:
Of particular interest is the lack of a significant ACT antibody response in children for whom the DTP or DTaP vaccines failed. This induced tolerance is intriguing and may be due to the phenomenon called “original antigenic sin”


Immunity to ACT is very important for clearance of pertussis. That the vax impares the ability to form immunity to that toxin is disturbing, to say the least.

: That has stuck with me since I first read about it...it has some notable implications for the pertussis vaccine program...

[an_domhan]

Originally Posted by serenitii

What if it lessens disease severity even more in adults and teens (who probably already think they only have 'bronchitis' or a bad 'cold' when they actually have pertussis?)

I have this issue with vaccines in general. The vaccine very likely makes the host exhibit symptoms that are not classic to the disease, thereby going either un[mis]diagnosed or keeping them subclinical. Somehow this is "ok" for the compromised part of the population that antivaxxers are endangering.

[medusaatemydog]

Originally Posted by an_domhan

I have this issue with vaccines in general. The vaccine very likely makes the host exhibit symptoms that are not classic to the disease, thereby going either un[mis]diagnosed or keeping them subclinical. Somehow this is "ok" for the compromised part of the population that antivaxxers are endangering.

antivaxxers are endangering????? i hope i am reading this right so you can understand what i am trying to say...


anitvaxxers endanger NOONE.... to even say that is ridiculous... you have the choice to go get yourself vaxxed... disease is as much of a part of life as is breathing.... brainwashing people into believing vaccines are going to free them from the threat of disease is just absurd.
But to force mandatory injections? ?The implications of the destruction of the right to have a say over your own body/mortality are far reaching... that leads us all down a road that is very bloody indeed. What a horribly unethical practice. This kind of thinking will inevitably lead to mass human experimentation a very profitable one. This is now obvious at the expense of our children who are suffering from this mass propaganda that continually denies the destruction that been handed down to the upcoming generation, the autistic, immunocompromised.... all these hundreds of thousands and probably millions of children who are permanently affected are no coincidence.... the proof are the hacking coughs of most children now seen walking the malls and schools, children who cannot process emotion or socialise, who are continually burden with chemical attacks on thier immune (ALUMINUM cause neuron death) system... i don't think we have ever seen a more sick generation... but we are being conditioned. There was a time when people got cancer it was rare and they were usually older... now it is almost as common as the flu... we are being conditioned... I will not comply with mandatory medicine...ever!.. Most of these conversations about the effects of this vaccine or that are pointless because the real issue here is medicine is after the right to trump an individuals right to refuse any medical intervention... if they win, the assualt on our bodies will continue and they will evade all liability... we will be naught but cattle in a kill chute... they will come up with all kinds of injections slap labels all over them, give them fancy names... when something happens to you... well that is just too bad.... There was a time i trusted doctors, then i had a baby and met the pediatrician... disgusting... if i have another child i am considering having it in another country... statistics show it's safer ...

[cloak]

Originally Posted by medusaatemydog

antivaxxers are endangering????? i hope i am reading this right so you can understand what i am trying to say...

an_domhan was being facetious. Some pro-vaxers think the unvaxed are endangering society yet they ignore the fact that vaccinated people can and do spread disease.

[an_domhan]

cloak: an_dohman was being facetious.

[medusaatemydog]

Originally Posted by an_domhan

i really hope so

[an_domhan]

Originally Posted by medusaatemydog

i really hope so

I'm sorry... I need to work on my sense of humor, but was positively being facetious. I'm highly protective of informed consent, and think the science behind vaccines is riddled with holes, doublethink, and tragedy.

I was simply making a common point that you'll tend to see from those that are in favor of cumpulsory vaccination, and it's absurd. My apologies if I was offensive.

[medusaatemydog]

Originally Posted by an_domhan

I'm sorry... I need to work on my sense of humor, but was positively being facetious. I'm highly protective of informed consent, and think the science behind vaccines is riddled with holes, doublethink, and tragedy.

I was simply making a common point that you'll tend to see from those that are in favor of cumpulsory vaccination, and it's absurd. My apologies if I was offensive.

absolutely no problem... thank you for apologizing... so many people would rather just throw tomatoes at me because i don't agree with the vaccination campange....

I wish i had finished and gotten my degree, i would not go into conventional medicine, but put all my energy into fighting it and it's policies....

i just hope that anyone who is stuck making these decisions, and most are having to do this under duress, remember that there is no guarantee you or your children will not get sick... vaccines or otherwise... your right to be in control of your decision will affect not only you and your child, but the many generations that follow...

[micklis]

I received that vaccine pamphlet in the thick bag I rec'd from my OB/GYN at the beginning of my pregnancy. Unless there's some CT state law that mandates it (and I know there isn't), there is no way in hell I'm going to get that shot!

[Deborah]

Does anyone still think that this vaccine prevents transmission of pertussis?

[Deborah]

Bumping this one more time.

[Sileree]

Originally Posted by deborah

does anyone still think that this vaccine prevents transmission of pertussis?

[St. Margaret]

Thank you all for a great thread! Seriously, this one just taught me a LOT about pertussis and the many ways the vaccine "works." I can't believe all those "do it for your grand/baby" pro-vax fliers we got when DD was born, and we see them around at bus stops and etc, too (they tell you to get the vax yourself to protect your kid... erm!). Sheesh!

[Deborah]

I'm going to keep bumping this for a few days because it is such a good thread on pertussis and the failures of the vaccine. Important stuff.

[Deborah]

bumping

[cadejaxellamom]

I saw an add recently that had a picture of a super cute newborn baby and underneath it said something like "if you just gave birth getting a little shot it nothing!" and then it said something about protecting your newborn by getting the Tdap. I wanted to throw the magazine across the waiting room I was surprised that I didn't get asked if I wanted the shot before I left the hospital, but I had my daughter in Nov 07, so maybe there wasn't a huge campaign yet. Because I gave birth at the hospital that I work at and at my last yearly "physical" (about 2 or 3 months ago) I was pretty much yelled at by the nurse for refusing the shot and she told me she wasn't sure if I could work in patient care area's (I'm an x-ray tech...pretty high patient care ) if I didn't get the shot whatever, I'm working on my religious exemption...

[MadameXCupcake]

Thanks for bumping this thread up it had some great info I can save!!