Intactivists with only girls- Are you taken seriously? - Page 2

[holyhelianthus]

Originally Posted by jwhispers

I can appreciate this. I think what Fyrestorm was saying, and I am sure you see this, is that it's easier to not have to deal with the circumcision issue when the father is intact. But I might also point out that there are many fathers/husbands of many members who saw eye to eye with their wives despite being circumcised.

Not only in spite but BECAUSE they were circ'd

[Fellow Traveler]

Originally Posted by magstphil

Not only in spite but BECAUSE they were circ'd

Sometimes, yes.

[Treece]

Fyrestorm, let's start planning their wedding!!!

I honestly think that it is no different than circers raising THEIR daughters to "prefer" circed guys. What is wrong with preferring natural to mutilated? NOTHING. No, it isn't that man's fault, but if he can't at least understand that circ is destructive, then I wouldn't want my daughter with him. And on that front, if a woman EVER made either of my sons feel bad for being whole, I wouldn't want him with her either. Really, is it any different than choosing blue eyes over green, brown, or hazel?

[holyhelianthus]

Originally Posted by Treece

Fyrestorm, let's start planning their wedding!!!

I honestly think that it is no different than circers raising THEIR daughters to "prefer" circed guys. What is wrong with preferring natural to mutilated? NOTHING. No, it isn't that man's fault, but if he can't at least understand that circ is destructive, then I wouldn't want my daughter with him. And on that front, if a woman EVER made either of my sons feel bad for being whole, I wouldn't want him with her either. Really, is it any different than choosing blue eyes over green, brown, or hazel?

Well while we're at it is it any different then telling our kids not to date black men? Immigrants?

Seriously not all circ'd men are all about circing their sons. I learned the most from circ men without children or the prospect who were against the practice. On the other hand as a medical transcriptionist there have been male patients who choose to be circ'd later in life. Being intact doesn't mean one is an intactivist.

How about we judge by the individual?

Now I understand preference. I would prefer being with a man who can see my face but that doesn't mean I am going to turn a cold shoulder to a blind man just because he is blind.

This level of prejudice makes me so sad! I can't help but think of all those helpless little boys who are first cut by their parents and then preemptively turned away by their prospective girl/boy friend's upbringing. I just cannot wrap my head around how people think this is ok.

[MommytoB]

Originally Posted by jwhispers

I can appreciate this. I think what Fyrestorm was saying, and I am sure you see this, is that it's easier to not have to deal with the circumcision issue when the father is intact. But I might also point out that there are many fathers/husbands of many members who saw eye to eye with their wives despite being circumcised.

I also say we can't feel completly 'safe on assuming we will be discussion free if we have a bf or husband who is intact.

Wasn't there a poster on here that had a intact BIL and he circ'ed his son .

Anyways, I say us mom's have to 'teach our intact boys - the postive of being whole and being able to correct anyone who tries any negative downing of foreskin.

Plus empower them with the knowledge of the circumcision besides so they can be aware -benfits are a myth and out do the myth by all pro-circers

[Treece]

I know of an intact man who circed his son. These men don't know the value of foreskin because it is so devalued in our society. I really feel for them the most. They have been made to feel less than human for being whole. How sad is that?

What have been trying to say is that I would like the pool of prospective mates for my children to accept them as whole and not try to force them to circ my grand kids. Then this battle I have fought for my kids would be in vain. That would sadden me.

Female intactivist are in the best spot to stop the torture.

[TheTMommy]

Originally Posted by magstphil

How about we judge by the individual?

Way, way too logical.

[holyhelianthus]

Originally Posted by Treece

I know of an intact man who circed his son. These men don't know the value of foreskin because it is so devalued in our society. I really feel for them the most. They have been made to feel less than human for being whole. How sad is that?

What have been trying to say is that I would like the pool of prospective mates for my children to accept them as whole and not try to force them to circ my grand kids. Then this battle I have fought for my kids would be in vain. That would sadden me.

Female intactivist are in the best spot to stop the torture.

Now this I can get behind! Then again I want to raise my girls to understand that some boys are sadly circ'd and we should love them just as much anyway.

I am lucky in that an otherwise mainstream (and abusive friend of my moms has two intact sons who have ran around naked in front of my girls. My oldest noticed when I was changing a cut boy's diaper that he was "different". I want to keep that mindset alive in them that circ=different and not the other way around.

it's kind of odd though meaning we will have 5 girls so it's not like penises are going to be everywhere in our house or even really talked about until they are much older. I am trying to imagine learning experiences we could have. When they do arise though I hope I am quick on my feet in utilizing them!

[tutucrazy]

Magstphil, how do you get 5 girls??!?!?!?!?!? That is nuts. hehe.

To the OP, going back to what I said before, regardless of what sex your children are, if you have logical, sound, well-articulated arguments no one can say that you "don't know what you are talking about". Education is really where your credibility comes into play here. If you can knock them off their feet with what you know then they don't have the opportunity to discredit you, you will make too much sense. That said, there are people who don't want your information, those irrational people simply can't be reasoned with. Don't feel bad if those people say lame things to you to put you off, deep down they know you are right.

[ChristaN]

I am trying to imagine learning experiences we could have.

It has come up around here when family members were having boys. My girls heard about the situation w/ my brother's newest little guy when I was discussing it with dh. I don't believe that my girls would reject a circed boy as a partner later, but they do feel badly for them. My oldest was asking about dh, her other cousin, etc. when we discussed it and really felt badly for all of them that that had happened to them.

[Nicole B]

Wasn't there a poster on here that had a intact BIL and he circ'ed his son .

I had actually posted something simular...
My husband's friend is intact and mutilated both his sons w/o even a second thought (His second son even got a 'revision' by age 3: )

MY husband is circ and all it took was mentioning a tiny bit of research to convince him that he would never put a son through it

There are lots of circ guys willingly (and PROUDLY) leaving their sons intact
How else would the percent of circ males in the US be going down like it has

[holyhelianthus]

Thanks, ChristaN!

Originally Posted by tutucrazy

Magstphil, how do you get 5 girls??!?!?!?!?!? That is nuts. hehe.

We kept trying to get a boy!

Seriously though we had our first 3 and thought just one more before we're done and that "one more" turned out to be twin girls.

[needhelpplease]

I don't have kids at all! LOL

So maybe that makes people take me less seriously. However most of my intactivism is over the internet so it's a bit different as while I usually mention no son yet, it's not the same as a mother actually taking advice from a young person in real life!

I do some RL intactivism, but mostly just with friends my age - reminding them that when they do have kids, no circ otherwise I will never talk to them again! Seem to be in agreement so far, yay

[Belle]

OP here.

Originally Posted by magstphil

To answer the OP: NO!!! :

We are about to have our 4th and 5th girl (no more and no boys) and anytime I bring it up to friends having boys or with boys I get "oh Maggie, you just don't understand boys"

This was more what I was getting at.

I know of an intact man who circed his son. These men don't know the value of foreskin because it is so devalued in our society. I really feel for them the most. They have been made to feel less than human for being whole. How sad is that?

What have been trying to say is that I would like the pool of prospective mates for my children to accept them as whole and not try to force them to circ my grand kids. Then this battle I have fought for my kids would be in vain. That would sadden me.

Female intactivist are in the best spot to stop the torture.

I guess this is a good point. When I was pregnant with DD2, DD1 saw me watching a circ video. I was bawling watching it. I made the mistake of telling dd that Grandma wanted us to do that (circ) to her new brother (if it was a boy) and she got very upset. I assured her that Mommy and Daddy wouldn't let something so horrible happen to her brother (or sister). It was so upsetting to watch that my 75lb German Shepard tried climbing into my lap to console me. She's not a lap dog by any stretch of the imagination.