Are there any Primitive Baptist here??

[youngwife]

Hello!! I was just wondering if there are any other Primitive Baptists here on MDC??

[Bluegoat]

I'm a confused Anglican. What do primitive Baptists believe?

[youngwife]

Originally Posted by Bluegoat

I'm a confused Anglican. What do primitive Baptists believe?

*IF* you truly are interested in learning more about our beliefs and doctrines, then I will be happy to answer questions.

However, *IF* you are looking for a heated debate, I'm not at all interested.


Doctrine & Practice




We Believe:

1. That the Bible, being composed of both the Old and New Testaments, is the inspired Word of God and is our sole authority for doctrine and practice. We believe that the King James translation is the most accurate translation we have today. II Timothy 3:16-17; II Peter 1:20-21

2. That the God of Heaven is the creator and sustainer of the universe and that He works all things according to the good pleasure of His sovereign will. Isaiah 14:25; Ephesians 1:11

3. That all mankind are dead in trespasses and sins and are worthy of eternal punishment in Hell except for the sovereign grace of God. Romans 3:10-23 and Ephesians 2:6-10

4. That by God’s sovereign grace and mercy, elect sinners are predestined to eternal life and are redeemed and justified by the blood of Christ alone. John 3:16; Romans 3:24; Ephesians 1:4-7; and Colossians 1:13-14

5. That Jesus Christ died for the sins of His people alone and they shall all be regenerated in time by the Holy Spirit, enabled to hear the Gospel of their salvations and caused to have faith in Christ as their Savior. John 3:3 & 5; John 5:25; John 6:37 & 44; John 10:26-28; John 17:2

6. That all who are saved should be baptized, unite with a New Testament Baptist church, strive to live godly lives and witness to the world that we live in until Christ Jesus our Lord comes again. Acts 2:37-47; I Thessalonians 1:2-10

7. That there is to be a resurrection of the bodies both of the saved and the unsaved at which time the saved shall receive glorified bodies that shall enable them to enjoy eternal Glory with their Savior, while the unsaved are resurrected in their old bodies and shall be punished with everlasting destruction. Matthew 25:32-46; John 5:28-29; I Corinthians 15:12-58: II Thessalonians 1:7-10



Our doctrines and our practices, we believe, are well grounded in the Word of God which is our final authority for our Faith and Practice. No human document is perfect, yet we are in basic agreement with both the London Confession of Faith of 1644 and of 1689.



Our History

We believe our doctrines are in harmony with the basic doctrines taught by the Lord Jesus Christ and His Apostles. They were preserved and practiced by the ancient Waldenses, Lollards, Albigenses, Novations, Donatists, and others who worshiped God independent of the Roman Catholic system all through the bloody centuries of Pagan and Roman persecution prior to the Protestant Reformation. During these times, these people were often described as Ana-Baptists, meaning “rebaptizers,” because they refused to recognize Roman Catholic baptism.

Our Baptist fathers were never connected with the Roman Catholic system and therefore we are not Protestants. That system of theology which came to be known as Reformed theology or Calvinism closely resembled what our Baptist fore parents had already been teaching since the days of Jesus Christ Himself and the Apostles.

In the 1830’s a major division developed in the Baptist family. Those Baptists holding to the general atonement theory and supporting missions as a means of saving lost sinners came to be known as New School or Missionary Baptists. Those Baptists holding the doctrine of particular redemption (or limited atonement) and salvation by free and sovereign grace came to be known as Old School, or Primitive Baptists.



Our Practices

As Primitive Baptists, we believe in the simple New Testament pattern of public worship. Services consist of hymn singing, prayer and preaching. Musical instruments are not used in our services since there is no New Testament command or precedent for their use. Furthermore, the use of instruments is undesirable in that it tends to bring in carnal entertainment as a substitute for the real melody of the heart. (See Ephesians 5:19.)

While we believe in Bible Study, we do not have Sunday Schools or other auxiliaries because of the absence of a New Testament command or precedent. Sunday Schools are modern in origin, not existing in the gospel church for almost 1800 years. Primitive Baptists believe that the gospel minister is the only public teacher of the Word of God authorized by Jesus Christ, the Head of His Church. Private instruction of children is the responsibility of the heads of the households. (See Ephesians 6:4.) Further objections to the Sunday school system of today can be raised on the grounds that it is contrary to the teaching of the Apostle Paul in I Timothy 2:11-12, “Let your women learn in silence with all subjection, but I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” (See also I Corinthians 14:34-35.)



Our Ordinances

We believe that Baptism and the Lord’s Supper are the only two ordinances prescribed for the New Testament Church. We practice the washing of the saints’ feet as an example given by the Lord of Christian humility. (See Matthew 26:26-28, 28:18-20, John 13:3-17, I Timothy 5:10, I Peter 3:21.)



Our View of the Church

We believe that a New Testament church is a local assembly of regenerated, baptized believers constituted by the authority of Jesus Christ teaching His doctrines and following the pattern of the first century churches. We believe such a church is “the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth” (I Tim.3:15) Such a church is a spiritual home, a refuge for born again believers in Jesus Christ who, striving to live godly and soberly in this present evil world, have been bonded to Christ and to one another by the Holy Spirit. These, having been baptized on the profession of their faith in Jesus Christ, have joined themselves together to live in compliance with the doctrine which is according to godliness: to attend constantly upon the public worship services, to minister to their fellow saints, and to be holy and just in their everyday dealings in the world which they live. Only in this manner can believers properly glorify their Father in heaven and Jesus Christ their Savior and King, which is the sole purpose of a true New Testament church.



Our View of Evangelism

We believe in Biblical evangelism. As in the early church, “they (the saints) went everywhere preaching the Word” (Acts 8:4), so we believe that today, the saints of God are to be witnesses for their Savior wherever they find themselves in the world. It is our conviction that the only scriptural bases for Biblical evangelism are the doctrines of free and sovereign grace. We do not believe that the Gospel is a means of regeneration, but that it is the means of conversion for the quickened soul. We believe that according to the commandment given by our Lord in Matt.28:18-20 that the ministers of the churches of Jesus Christ are to go wherever they are led of the Lord, preaching the Gospel, baptizing believers, organizing them into New Testament Baptist churches and teaching them to observe all the commandments to us by Christ Jesus and His Apostles.

[simple life]

Are Primitive Baptist anything related to the German Baptist? We have a decent sized population here. They dress similar to the Mennonites and Amish in the area. Just wondering. These things are pretty interesting too me.


ETA:
wow, I just read all the info you posted. Quite interesting. Totally not interested in debate at all, just interested . So you do not consider yourself Protestants, that is so interesting too me. I enjoy learning about faiths that are 'older' and like to keep things simple.

Julie

[Bluegoat]

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We believe our doctrines are in harmony with the basic doctrines taught by the Lord Jesus Christ and His Apostles. They were preserved and practiced by the ancient Waldenses, Lollard, Albigenses, Novations, Donatists, and others who worshiped God independent of the Roman Catholic system all through the bloody centuries of Pagan and Roman persecution prior to the Protestant Reformation. During these times, these people were often described as Ana-Baptists, meaning “rebaptizers,” because they refused to recognize Roman Catholic baptism.



So, it's not clear to me, do Primitive Baptists say that they are actually descended from these groups or that they were related groups? Or just that like them, they were not part of the RC or Orthodox church? It doesn't seem to me that the groups mentioned were necessarily very similar in many of their beliefs.

[youngwife]

Originally Posted by simple life

Are Primitive Baptist anything related to the German Baptist? We have a decent sized population here. They dress similar to the Mennonites and Amish in the area. Just wondering. These things are pretty interesting too me.


ETA:
wow, I just read all the info you posted. Quite interesting. Totally not interested in debate at all, just interested . So you do not consider yourself Protestants, that is so interesting too me. I enjoy learning about faiths that are 'older' and like to keep things simple.

Julie

I am happy to answer any questions that I can, but I didn't start this thread to ignite a debate...I'll save that for another thread!

Here is some info that I found....
German Baptists are not to be confused with Primitive, Separate, Southern, Particular, and all other mainline Baptist denominations who, although generally unified on rudimentary doctrines such as baptism


So, to answer your question, no. There is no "relation" or connection to the German Baptist. Yes, it is all very interesting.

So, it's not clear to me, do Primitive Baptists say that they are actually descended from these groups or that they were related groups? Or just that like them, they were not part of the RC or Orthodox church? It doesn't seem to me that the groups mentioned were necessarily very similar in many of their beliefs.

I think the point of that particular statement is NOT to show a connection, but rather to state the point of authenticity. Among some of the Primitive Baptist, it is very important to prove the continuity of our beliefs and doctrines through out history.

We strictly adhere to attempting to worship as the New Testament saints did so long ago. No musical instruments, no Sunday School or children's church, and a very simplistic worship service are just a few of the ways that we strive to worship as a New Testament Church.

So, again, no relation or connection necessarily to those religions. But, yet they all also were not part of neither the RC nor the OC.

HTH!

Rebecca

[Smokering]

We "met" in the other thread... I'm a Reformed Baptist, not a Primitive Baptist, but I would agree with a large portion of the Primitive Baptist beliefs you mention in post 3, with enough caveats to give us plenty of room for arguments in other threads.

Incidentally, what is it with us Baptists and unusual denomination names? Primitives and Strict-and-Particulars and Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarians and Old Regulars and "soft-shell" and "hard-shell" Baptists... I don't even know what half of 'em are, but I love the names!

[Bluegoat]

Originally Posted by Smokering

We "met" in the other thread... I'm a Reformed Baptist, not a Primitive Baptist, but I would agree with a large portion of the Primitive Baptist beliefs you mention in post 3, with enough caveats to give us plenty of room for arguments in other threads.

Incidentally, what is it with us Baptists and unusual denomination names? Primitives and Strict-and-Particulars and Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarians and Old Regulars and "soft-shell" and "hard-shell" Baptists... I don't even know what half of 'em are, but I love the names!

MMMM, soft-shells. Tasty.

[youngwife]

Originally Posted by Smokering

We "met" in the other thread... I'm a Reformed Baptist, not a Primitive Baptist, but I would agree with a large portion of the Primitive Baptist beliefs you mention in post 3, with enough caveats to give us plenty of room for arguments in other threads.

Incidentally, what is it with us Baptists and unusual denomination names? Primitives and Strict-and-Particulars and Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarians and Old Regulars and "soft-shell" and "hard-shell" Baptists... I don't even know what half of 'em are, but I love the names!

Now, "Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarians" is a new one to me...what exactly are those!?!?

[Smokering]

I have no idea!

Oh, hang on, here we go: according to Wiki, they're anti-evangelism.

[youngwife]

Originally Posted by Smokering

I have no idea!

Oh, hang on, here we go: according to Wiki, they're anti-evangelism.

Ahhhh, I see. That *IS* very interesting. Ya know, some of those old preachers believed you shouldn't even study for a sermon, or train your children. They believed a form of fatalism, like a "Que Sera Sera" type of approach to life. I very much believe in the Sovereignty of God, but I also believe in the responsibility of man.

Thanks for finding that for me!