Where do they get the 36,000 number?

[lauradbg]

I just saw the Kristi Yamaguchi public service announcement where she's imploring us to get an influenza shot. She says that 36,000 people die each year from influenza and its complications. Where is that number from? Is that a U.S. figure solely? Why when you check the CDC do they roll flu and pneumonia deaths together? (I have some idea...)

Where is the 36,000 from?

[Deborah]

The 36,000 is problematic, where ever they find it. Why? Because of the huge rise in the number of people vaccinated against influenza. If that were a real number, that was really properly tracked AND if the vaccine was actually effective, THEN the number of deaths should be going down.

Otherwise, WTF is the point?

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by lauradbg

I just saw the Kristi Yamaguchi public service announcement where she's imploring us to get an influenza shot. She says that 36,000 people die each year from influenza and its complications. Where is that number from? Is that a U.S. figure solely? Why when you check the CDC do they roll flu and pneumonia deaths together? (I have some idea...)

Where is the 36,000 from?

Dr. Donald Miller has a nice explanattion of the 36,000 number
Pay attention to paragraphs 4-6 in particular.

The National Vital Statistics Reports compiled by the CDC show that only 1,138 deaths a year occur due to influenza alone .....Using a mathematical (Poisson) regression model, officials estimate that the flu virus triggers some of the winter-time deaths from pneumonia, along with deaths in people with cardiovascular disease and other chronic illnesses. More than 34,000 of those "36,000" flu deaths are what officials estimate are "influenza-associated" pneumonic and cardiovascular deaths. (73)

http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller27.html

[lauradbg]

Good point Deborah. If the vaccine is working, and has been for years, they really shouldn't continually trot out the 36,000 number year after year should they? I guess it's not working...

Marnica--do I have this right? They add the pneumonia stats in and say that 34,000 of the 36,000 deaths are related to complications of influenza? And it is an estimate, not a hard fact determined by testing? They haven't confirmed the flu numbers prior to the pneumonia/cardiovascular deaths? It's just that it is a coincidental timing in winter and so they lump it together? Also along with cardiovascular deaths.

What shoddy crap.

Thanks for answering.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by lauradbg

Good point Deborah. If the vaccine is working, and has been for years, they really shouldn't continually trot out the 36,000 number year after year should they? I guess it's not working...

Marnica--do I have this right? They add the pneumonia stats in and say that 34,000 of the 36,000 deaths are related to complications of influenza? And it is an estimate, not a hard fact determined by testing? They haven't confirmed the flu numbers prior to the pneumonia/cardiovascular deaths? It's just that it is a coincidental timing in winter and so they lump it together? Also along with cardiovascular deaths.

What shoddy crap.

Thanks for answering.

That's about the size of it!

They use mathmatical regression models when calculating many of the numbers for VPD's and deaths from them.

[PaigeC]

I collected some resources about the flu vaccine and this 36,000 number on my blog: http://www.babydustdiaries.com/2008/...ern-snake.html

[an_domhan]

Originally Posted by lauradbg

Where is the 36,000 from?

It's likely a mathematical model...

[Scattershoot]

Where do they get the 36,000 number?

They basically make it up. The vaccine movement would certainly argue that there are specific mathematical parameters involved. That's not true. What you have is a bunch of "maybes" "we believe" "we think" "it is possible" and so on. Just like almost every other vaccine argument.

Basically what you have is some elderly people living in nursing homes get sick, often after some shots or because of emotional stress or nutritional deficits or lack of mobility or any combination thereof, and then they receive some treatment, which oftentimes makes them more sick, and then they go into the hospital laden with infections and invasive procedures and then they pass away some time later (days or weeks). It goes down as a flu death.

This is just one of a multitude of ways that medical treatments and hospitals can kill people and it is called something else. They can't cover up all the deaths, which is way it is admitted that doctors are the 3rd leading cause of death in America, but they do their best. It is done consciously on occasion, but most of the time it is done unconsciously to prevent cognitive dissonance.

[Sileree]

Originally Posted by lauradbg

Where is the 36,000 from?

From here:

[an_domhan]

Originally Posted by Sileree

From here:

[Emmeline II]

: Great thread.

[mkmoro311]

I would like to know how many of those who died got the shot! Most of these people are elderly and have already weakened immune systems!

And to add to the previous post how many of those died after seeking help in a hospital!

That number also includes Pneumonia deaths! I wish they would keep that seperate!

[swissmom]

Here is the latest (2005) data from the CDC's National Vital Statistics Reports:

Scroll to page 33 and you'll see how the numbers are often willfully twisted:

Deaths from influenza and pneumonia: 63,001
Influenza: 1,812
pneumonia: 61,189

From the age ranges, you'll also see that more than 55,000 of the pneumonia related deaths occurred in people 65 and older.

[newcastlemama]

From the CDC--

Questions and Answers Regarding Estimating Deaths from Influenza in the United States
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease...ted_deaths.htm

This statistic came from a 2003 JAMA study by CDC scientists [10]. The study used statistical modeling to estimate that during 9 influenza seasons from 1990-91 through 1998-99, an annual average of 36,000 flu-related deaths occurred among people whose underlying cause of death on their death certificate was listed as a respiratory or circulatory disease. A 2009 study that appeared in the journal Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses made a similar estimate for the 10 influenza seasons from 1993 to 2003 [9].

So the flu gets blamed if you died of respiratory or circulatory disease

CDC feels it is important to convey the full burden of flu to the public.

(..so we can scare people into getting the vax)

Jen

[MountainMamaGC]

The deaths are almost always from secondary infection. If you are bedridden and not taking deep breaths an infection can happen. This happens in bed ridden people who dont have the flu. If you have some inflammation with more mucus an fluid in the lungs an infection can happen. This is how people die from the flu. Its not the flu really, its the secondary infection.

Its important to get up and walk around a bit even if you are sick. This will get your heart and lungs moving. Eating things like homemeade chicken soup, tumeric and raw pineapple all have compounds which suppress inflammatory response while still letting your body kill the virus.

[phrogger]

Lets just say the number is correct, 36000 die from the flu in the US every year. (I don't believe it is correct, but lets just say it is).

The US has over 300,000,000 people in our country that are counted, lets not forget how many are not counted in our cencous, but still we can use that as an easy number. So 36,000 people out of 300,000,000 is only 0.00012 of the population. Most the die from the flu are the elderly who have other underlying health issues.

So, 12 ten thousanth of 1 percent is NOT enough to scare me into thinking I need a shot. I think I need some exercise, a good diet, some good water and lots of sleep and I am MUCH better off then the vaccine. OH and I need to get sick once in a while and let my body fight it off.

The numbers and scare tactics are so much worse then the reality.

And if my numbers are off, sorry, but really, it just doesn't scare me. It scares me more to cross the street, or to cook in my house. Cars and fire will probably kill me a LOT sooner then the flu. Even the swine flu

[PaigeC]

Originally Posted by Sileree

From here:

[Mama~Love]

Originally Posted by phrogger

Lets just say the number is correct, 36000 die from the flu in the US every year. (I don't believe it is correct, but lets just say it is).

The US has over 300,000,000 people in our country that are counted, lets not forget how many are not counted in our cencous, but still we can use that as an easy number. So 36,000 people out of 300,000,000 is only 0.00012 of the population. Most the die from the flu are the elderly who have other underlying health issues.

So, 12 ten thousanth of 1 percent is NOT enough to scare me into thinking I need a shot. I think I need some exercise, a good diet, some good water and lots of sleep and I am MUCH better off then the vaccine. OH and I need to get sick once in a while and let my body fight it off.

The numbers and scare tactics are so much worse then the reality.

And if my numbers are off, sorry, but really, it just doesn't scare me. It scares me more to cross the street, or to cook in my house. Cars and fire will probably kill me a LOT sooner then the flu. Even the swine flu

That certainly puts it into perspective!

1,812 would only be 0.00000604% - yeah, so deadly .

[~Charlie's~Angel~]

Originally Posted by Sileree

From here:

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[Turquesa]

I just got this in my email box from Natural News:

http://www.naturalnews.com/026169.html

The author has his biases, but it's hard to dispute what he found:

As it turns out, virtually none of the 36,000 people said to die from regular flu each year have been confirmed in any lab whatsoever.