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post #1 of 9
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This weekend, as usual, dh ds and I went down to the IL's. Well, FIL has decided that it's cute to talk baby talk to Eli. Why? Because Eli is on the verge of very understandable English. He's been babbling non stop and there are more words than ever, there's obviously a huge language explosion going on. So he hears Eli going on and on about something, occasional English thrown in with lots of English-like gibberish, and he starts saying things like "Abby-dabby dooby-oooby doo!" What did Eli learn yesterday? To say "Yabba-dabba doo" like Fred Flintstone. :

When dh and I asked him to stop, he said "You guys have too many rules! I feel like I'm in a straightjacket around him, and you're driving me insane! It's not like he's learning anything from this."

Um, he's 14 months old, he's learning all the time!!! Everything he sees, hears, does is a learning experience. We just want as many of those experiences as possible to be positive ones. Apparently, we're trying too hard to control his world. It wasn't a big deal when Eli was tiny, but now that he's a big walking man, more verbal every day, apparently we're supposed to forget that everything is a learning experience for him.

I'm especially worried about this attitude because we're planning to homeschool. Does a child have to be in a traditional school setting before he'll admit that the child is learning? It seems ridiculous to me, and it will make homeschooling very difficult in FIL's presence. I am so irritated by this attitude I can't even begin to explain it! He had no idea why Mike was upset about this, and when I tried to explain he acted like I was just being hypervigilant. As if!

Oh, and to top it all off, he's started holding things just out of Eli's reach and waving them at him when he doesn't want Eli in them. For example, a water glass that was left on a table. (Made of actual glass, so I didn't particularly want Eli to have it, either.) When Eli went for it, FIL picked it up and held it about 6 inches beyond his reach, waving it around like it was some fabulous toy. And he was actually surprised that Eli kept reaching for it! I had to tell him "If you don't want him to have it, you can't wave it in his face like that, you have to put it out of sight!" He just didn't get it. He was like "Oh, I'm not teasing him, I'm not teaching him anything." You're doing both: you're teasing him by keeping it just out of reach and you're teaching him that when he wants a drink of water from you, you're going to hold it just out of reach and make him more upset. Great lesson.

How do you explain that regardless of whether or not you're trying to teach a small child something, they are always learning? And what's wrong with wanting to make as many of those lessons as possible positive ones?
post #2 of 9
Wow, I can tell how frustrated you are!

I think you need to keep things in perspective though. How often is Eli around your FIL versus other people who don't do these things? If your FIL was Eli's daycare provider or something then yeah, I'd be worried. I'm not saying that Eli isn't learning stuff from FIL, but it's also being assimilated into an overall picture where the majority of his experiences are not this. He may just end up learning that FIL is a tease, but since the majority of things removed from him are NOT waved in his face, I don't think it's going to do any damage, kwim? The baby talk is not going to compromise his language learning; again because it's not what he hears most of the time.

I can relate to how you feel: DH and I sometimes have disagreements over certain things. One in particular I won't go into but suffice to say it happens rarely enough that I've decided to let it go and pick my battles elsewhere.

Thing is, not only do I feel that your FIL is not going to change, but based on what he's said to you, I think you are really interfering with his enjoyment and his time with Eli. I know it must bug you, and I do understand, but I just think that maybe you need to let this go.

Sorry if that's not what you want to hear!
post #3 of 9
I have three thoughts about this

1) This is your child, and your rules. FIL needs to respect that, it will only get worse from here on. Example: FIL buys him a gun when he is 12. You don't want him to have a gun. FIL says "I'm not teaching him to shoot people, your overreacting."

2) It is NEVER OK to tease a child. Take it from someone whose uncle (whom I love dearly) teased me (and no not every day). I still feel pain about it.

3) I get the feeling that he is only doing these things to bait you. You DH should stop him.

Victorian
post #4 of 9
I agree with Piglet...unless you are living with them....because grandparents are there to break the rules that mom and dad make

I know my inlaws will make me similarily nuts down the road and should bookmark this post
post #5 of 9
I think this is a classic "pick your battles" scenario.

Your FIL has a history of teasing the baby. He had stopped for awhile. The issue that's important here (in my opinion, that is) is the teasing. It's not a big deal if Eli learns to say "yabba dabba doo" but it's damaging to his (soon-to-be emerging) self-discipline, his love for his grandfather, and his trust in the world for his grandpa to tease him. (I don't like the idea of teaching the baby to say silly things either, he's a person not a trailed seal! I just wouldn't make that the focus.)

Miss Manners says that it's only appropriate to tease people to whom you are close about things about which they are proud. For example, your FIL might say to you, "So when is Eli applying to Harvard?" Holding a water glass over the baby's head and saying "ha ha, you can't have any" is not good manners.
post #6 of 9
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Originally posted by Piglet68

Sorry if that's not what you want to hear!
Piglet, I don't post for opinions just to hear what I "want to hear". If I wanted that, I wouldn't post here I'd just whine to myself in a mirror. :LOL I appreciate your insight, as always!

DH sees where you're coming from, but agrees with Victorian somewhat: He is doing it, in part, to bait me. Mike does want to talk to him about it, but I get too upset and tense. The teasing is absolutely unacceptable; Mike was teased horribly by his father and resents it to this day. He will not allow his own son to be tortured that way, and it starts with small things. It was better for a while, but apparently now that Eli is a toddler (a big boy) he thinks it's okay again. : I wonder if we'll go through this with every new stage of development that Eli enters. *sigh*
post #7 of 9
I honestly think you need to pick and choose your battles better. Yaabaa daabaa doo is not worth a battle. Trust me, Yaaba daaba (how ever you spell it) is better than what some have been taught.

Teasing is worth the battle or an adult redirection. Go get a plastic cup for your father in law to drink out of . Just go “Here fil, so you can share your water.” Or try to distract your son with his own cup “DS, g-pa has a glass glass. It could break here is your cup do you want ice in your water? Or would you rather have some juice in your cup?”
post #8 of 9
It sounds like FIL is deliberately putting you into a no win situation.

We are having lots of trouble with my dad and my husband. Long story short, I had to tell my dh to let me handle my dad. If he has a problem with things that are said or done, talk to me first and I will say something about it. (Unfortunately DH is not a good listener, and ended up confronting my father and a huge blowout ensued.)

That said...I agree with Victorian, that your dh should be the one to deal with the situation.

Also, I agree with the opinions that you should pick your battles. As a teacher, I can tell you that the majority of learning takes place in the home. All other influences (Even structured school) only add towards rounding out the person. If you feel that your FIL is teasing your son, you can turn this into a learning experience for your son, by explaining to him that it is not nice to tease folks who are smaller than yourself. For a double kick in FIL's behind, you can say this in front of him, thus making your point indirectly. Sooner or later FIL will get the message without a direct confrontation.
post #9 of 9
I agree with others that the baby talk, while irritating, is basically harmless. I also agree that this is a situation your dh needs to address because his father is trying to repeat history & treating you, your dh & ds disrespectfully to boot. He really should let his dad know how upsetting he finds this behavior, both in the present with your child & in the past with himself. If he's uncomfortable doing this in person, he could try phone or writing a letter

If all else fails, you can always tell him that this is your child & even if he doesn't agree with your parenting choices, he needs to respect them.
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