MMR Reaction Question

[Mom2Mason]

I have a friend whose son reacted to the MMR shot with a fever and mild rash, and I have a few questions about that. Is this type of reaction an indication of encephalopathy, or are the two not related at all? I'm worried that this is a precursor to other problems from this shot for him. When babies have this reaction, do they typically go on to be fine, or is this the type of reaction parents talk about when they say their child had a reaction, then slipped away days, weeks, months later?

Also, am I correct in thinking this is a mild form of measles, that he "caught" measles from the shot? I know the doctors will never admit to that, but isn't that what this really is??

It's so strange, this friend of mine is really concerned with eating organic, not using chemicals in their household, etc. In fact, just yesterday she was talking on FB about whether there might be a relationship between so many people on psych meds and all the toxins in our environment. And yet she vaccinates fully without question. Her 1 y.o. just received 4 shots in one day, and had a reaction to MMR.

[Emmeline II]

You may want to send her this:

Vaccines-The Risks, the Benefits, the Choices DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552

[Marnica]

Poor baby

what you describe is a fairly common (but NOT normal) reaction I think. Most children with this reaction will be just fine, but I don't think one can ever really tell. Also if the baby received other shots on the same day, it may be hard to tell which reaction is coming from which shot. Neither thing that you describe indicates encephalopathy. A child with this reaction usually has a high pitched scream and may cry unconsolably as if in pain for hours.

As for being "crunchy" and vaccinating on schedule...I think it just illustrates how indoctrinated we are as a population. Hope your friends baby recovers with no lasting issues.

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by Mom2Mason

When babies have this reaction, do they typically go on to be fine, or is this the type of reaction parents talk about when they say their child had a reaction, then slipped away days, weeks, months later?

There is really no way of knowing how each human body will respond. We are each individuals. But generally if there is a reaction to one shot, it will be worse to the second and can be totally devastating by the third shot.

Also, am I correct in thinking this is a mild form of measles, that he "caught" measles from the shot?

Yes of course. If you inject a disease chances are good that you show the symptoms that go along with fighting it off. Which is actually a good thing. The measles should be gotten out of the body again since they can get stuck in the gut (vaccine measles or wild measles).

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/...cine-shedding/

Her 1 y.o. just received 4 shots in one day, and had a reaction to MMR.

That is sad. Many people will be concerned about things and yet overlook the most important issue. Can you tell her what ingredients she is injecting into her child? Maybe that will show her how she missed an important topic?
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...nt-table-2.pdf

[saraem76]

In my opinion not vaccinating is socially irresponsible. If I had an infant who was not of MMR vaccination age and an un-vaccinated toddler gave him the measles or rubella, it could easily kill him. If you look at the latest research, there is NO indication that this vaccine causes autism or any of the spectrum disorders. There are many families who unfortunately have many children with autism spectrum disorders...how can people not understand that there is a genetic component? Furthermore, today's vaccines are developed by researchers and physicians...NOT people with malicious intent. And yes they are inactivated virus particles, THAT is what causes people to develop an immunity. I feel much more comfortable with inactivated particles than the dangerous activated ones.
"crunchy" science teacher, mother of one

[k9sarchik]

Originally Posted by saraem76

In my opinion not vaccinating is socially irresponsible. If I had an infant who was not of MMR vaccination age and an un-vaccinated toddler gave him the measles or rubella, it could easily kill him. If you look at the latest research, there is NO indication that this vaccine causes autism or any of the spectrum disorders. There are many families who unfortunately have many children with autism spectrum disorders...how can people not understand that there is a genetic component? Furthermore, today's vaccines are developed by researchers and physicians...NOT people with malicious intent. And yes they are inactivated virus particles, THAT is what causes people to develop an immunity. I feel much more comfortable with inactivated particles than the dangerous activated ones.
"crunchy" science teacher, mother of one

But they are pushed and marketed without fully testing them appropriately. They also do not tell the public about the negative effects....EVER. They only report the positive. It's a select few of socially responsible physicians and scientists who call Big Pharma on the negative. And when scientists who work for the CDC and other gov't agencies try to expose the negative they are given cease and desist orders and they lose their jobs and they try to discredit their reputation. THIS IS ALL TRUE!

[KimPM]

Originally Posted by saraem76

If I had an infant who was not of MMR vaccination age and an un-vaccinated toddler gave him the measles or rubella...

People who have been vaccinated for MMR have also contracted M, M, and R. They can also pass it on to others...vaccinated or not.

[Ruthla]

Originally Posted by saraem76

In my opinion not vaccinating is socially irresponsible. If I had an infant who was not of MMR vaccination age and an un-vaccinated toddler gave him the measles or rubella, it could easily kill him. If you look at the latest research, there is NO indication that this vaccine causes autism or any of the spectrum disorders. There are many families who unfortunately have many children with autism spectrum disorders...how can people not understand that there is a genetic component? Furthermore, today's vaccines are developed by researchers and physicians...NOT people with malicious intent. And yes they are inactivated virus particles, THAT is what causes people to develop an immunity. I feel much more comfortable with inactivated particles than the dangerous activated ones.
"crunchy" science teacher, mother of one

Welcome to MDC Saraem!

It sounds like you're very, very new to vaccine research. I think you should read lots of the links from this forum before making any more judgement calls against people who have done the research and chosen not to vaccinate on schedule.

[kiara7]

Originally Posted by saraem76

In my opinion not vaccinating is socially irresponsible. If I had an infant who was not of MMR vaccination age and an un-vaccinated toddler gave him the measles or rubella, it could easily kill him. If you look at the latest research, there is NO indication that this vaccine causes autism or any of the spectrum disorders. There are many families who unfortunately have many children with autism spectrum disorders...how can people not understand that there is a genetic component? Furthermore, today's vaccines are developed by researchers and physicians...NOT people with malicious intent. And yes they are inactivated virus particles, THAT is what causes people to develop an immunity. I feel much more comfortable with inactivated particles than the dangerous activated ones.
"crunchy" science teacher, mother of one

Geneticists have long stated that there is not a genetics explanation to the ten-fold increase in autism and asd.

[gbailey]

Originally Posted by saraem76

In my opinion not vaccinating is socially irresponsible. If I had an infant who was not of MMR vaccination age and an un-vaccinated toddler gave him the measles or rubella, it could easily kill him. If you look at the latest research, there is NO indication that this vaccine causes autism or any of the spectrum disorders. There are many families who unfortunately have many children with autism spectrum disorders...how can people not understand that there is a genetic component? Furthermore, today's vaccines are developed by researchers and physicians...NOT people with malicious intent. And yes they are inactivated virus particles, THAT is what causes people to develop an immunity. I feel much more comfortable with inactivated particles than the dangerous activated ones.
"crunchy" science teacher, mother of one

Socially irresponsible for whom? What research are you talking about? I personally know of three people whose children were perfectly fine prior to getting the MMR vaccine and have not been the same since. The MMR may not cause autism for all children who receive it but there is an autism link!

Since pediatricians cannot tell what exactly causes autism how can we say what does not cause it?

I'm a parent who selectively vaccinates by child but I don't believe those who choose not to vaccinate at all are socially irresponsible. I've learned quite a bit on these boards from mothers who do not vaccinate. Do your resaerch honey.

It's socially irresponsible for doctors to recommend and inject infant bodies with a vaccine that may very well change the course of their life. It's socially irresponsible to make vaccines mandatory. It's socially irresponsible to give a child a vaccine minutes after they are out of the womb. It's socially irresponsible for any parent to think their way is the way for everyone.

[newcastlemama]

To calm your worries about infants being easily killed by measles --

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/579800 (This is even a pro-vax article)

Of the 131 measles cases reported to the CDC′s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases this year, 112 were either unvaccinated or had unknown vaccination status. At least 15 children, including 4 younger than 15 months, were hospitalized, but no deaths were reported. Two thirds of the cases did not receive the measles vaccination for religious or philosophical reasons, according to the MMWR report.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by saraem76

In my opinion not vaccinating is socially irresponsible. If I had an infant who was not of MMR vaccination age and an un-vaccinated toddler gave him the measles or rubella, it could easily kill him. If you look at the latest research, there is NO indication that this vaccine causes autism or any of the spectrum disorders. There are many families who unfortunately have many children with autism spectrum disorders...how can people not understand that there is a genetic component? Furthermore, today's vaccines are developed by researchers and physicians...NOT people with malicious intent. And yes they are inactivated virus particles, THAT is what causes people to develop an immunity. I feel much more comfortable with inactivated particles than the dangerous activated ones.
"crunchy" science teacher, mother of one

Oh yes....because todays vaccines are developed by doctors and researchers that must mean they are safe.

Do you even know how vaccines are manufactured? What is in them? How safety studies are conducted?

Also there is no such thing as a genetic epidemic. Sounds like you need to do several thousand more hours of research (as many of us here have already done) before you pass judgement that many mamas are being socially irresponsible.