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[runes]

Originally Posted by felix23

I'm completly vaxed and haven't been sick in years.

Really? To the current schedule? I've never heard of an adult that has been "completely vaxed" to the standards of today. Did you go and get your Pneumococcal, Rotovirus, HiB, IPV, Chickenpox, HepA and Meningococcal since they're on the schedule now? Have you been getting your TDaP and MMR boosters and yearly Flu shots?

If not, then you are most certainly not "completely vaxed". Have you had your titres checked lately, despite being "completely vaxed"? You might be surprised...

[felix23]

Originally Posted by kidspiration

Really? To the current schedule? I've never heard of an adult that has been "completely vaxed" to the standards of today. Did you go and get your Pneumococcal, Rotovirus, HiB, IPV, Chickenpox, HepA and Meningococcal since they're on the schedule now? Have you been getting your TDaP and MMR boosters and yearly Flu shots?

If not, then you are most certainly not "completely vaxed". Have you had your titres checked lately, despite being "completely vaxed"? You might be surprised...

Well, minus the chicken pox (since I had it as a child) and the flu (which I forgot), yep, got all those! I go in for yearly check ups and follow what the dr says the current vax schedule is.

And dd1 who despite being a tiny preemie and vaxed has only had one sick visit in the last three years. She has only had a fever three times and those all lasted less then 24 hours.

We do eat a really, really healthy diet, though, and no one in my family gets sick a lot, so I think we also have great genes.

[Mama2Kayla]

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[runes]

Originally Posted by felix23

Well, minus the chicken pox (since I had it as a child) and the flu (which I forgot), yep, got all those! I go in for yearly check ups and follow what the dr says the current vax schedule is.

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Really? Because some of those above mentioned vaccines are not licensed for adults.

Are you talking about the current ADULT vaccination schedule? It's a heck of a lot different than the current PEDIATRIC vaccination schedule, you know.

Do you get them several at a time like babies do?

[ammiga]

Originally Posted by felix23

Well, minus the chicken pox (since I had it as a child) and the flu (which I forgot), yep, got all those! I go in for yearly check ups and follow what the dr says the current vax schedule is.

And dd1 who despite being a tiny preemie and vaxed has only had one sick visit in the last three years. She has only had a fever three times and those all lasted less then 24 hours.

We do eat a really, really healthy diet, though, and no one in my family gets sick a lot, so I think we also have great genes.

Why do you feel the need to vax if you all can handle illness so well? Not being sarcastic, just very curious.

[MamatoPeach]

I just wanted to add, that though your child did not have a 'reaction' to the vaccine. The vaccines may damage the immune system causing allergies, asthma, and other long term chronic illnesses that science has not related to vaccines yet.

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by Snuzzmom

THANK YOU.

Reiterating this sentence from above: "Just because someone doesn't make the decision that you would make doesn't mean they are uneducated."

I think what the pp meant was why would the grandparents want you to make a decision based on family pressure instead of your own researched decision.

We did not involve anyone else in our non-vax decision; they know, but they also know it is not up for debate.

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by AnnaNova

i ve been trying to have him read all kinds of information, but he sees what he wants to see - he would cite all the pros to me completely disregarding all the cons... and with the travelling and the baby going to daycare (possibly) he feels yet even stronger about not delaying them for a long time...
he called all his friends and relatives kids with and not one of them delayed or even selected, so... my decision to have a mature discussion about it came back to bite me

Have you watch this with him;

Vaccines-The Risks, the Benefits, the Choices DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552



Here are some questions to answer in deciding about vax.

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Inside Vaccines


http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...k-chapters.htm
http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40451107552&q=
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...87981735&hl=en
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...ses&deaths.pdf

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by felix23

Well, I don't believe (and studies have not shown) that autism is caused by vaccines. IMO the reason that more children are diagnosed is because the Austism spectrum is larger. Children that were once either not diagnosed or incorrectly diagnosed are now correctly being diagnosed with autism. My mom knows several childhood friends who were labled as "trouble makers", but looking back, she now suspects that they were really autistic. Autism has always been around.

I do delay/select vax with dd2, but dd1 is completly vaxed and is almost never sick. I'm completly vaxed and haven't been sick in years. Almost everyone I know who vax AND eat a healthy, balanced diet are not chronically sick. And I know who don't vax and DON'T eat a healthy diet their children are chronically sick. I think chronic illness is caused diet, not vaccine.

I've lost count of the number of older teachers or posters whose parents were teachers who've said that they did not have the number of "trouble makers" that you would find in a classroom today. Whatever you label a behavior it would still exist, "oh, back in my day we called those children troublemakers, but now I understand it was Autism", but that is not what I'm hearing.

The one (small) study that I've found that addresses this issue found that "better diagnosis" cannot explain the rise in Autism.

Quote: http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/mindins...able=published
A study by researchers at the UC Davis M.I.N.D. Institute has found that the seven- to eight-fold increase in the number children born in California with autism since 1990 cannot be explained by either changes in how the condition is diagnosed or counted — and the trend shows no sign of abating.

“It’s time to start looking for the environmental culprits responsible for the remarkable increase in the rate of autism in California

[mamakah]

Originally Posted by kidspiration

Really? Because some of those above mentioned vaccines are not licensed for adults.

Are you talking about the current ADULT vaccination schedule? It's a heck of a lot different than the current PEDIATRIC vaccination schedule, you know.

Do you get them several at a time like babies do?

Very very different. Not to mention, injected into a full grown adult as opposed to a tiny 2 month old.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by felix23

Well, I don't believe (and studies have not shown) that autism is caused by vaccines. IMO the reason that more children are diagnosed is because the Austism spectrum is larger. Children that were once either not diagnosed or incorrectly diagnosed are now correctly being diagnosed with autism. My mom knows several childhood friends who were labled as "trouble makers", but looking back, she now suspects that they were really autistic. Autism has always been around.

I do delay/select vax with dd2, but dd1 is completly vaxed and is almost never sick. I'm completly vaxed and haven't been sick in years. Almost everyone I know who vax AND eat a healthy, balanced diet are not chronically sick. And I know who don't vax and DON'T eat a healthy diet their children are chronically sick. I think chronic illness is caused diet, not vaccine.

I don't agree with the "autism spectrum is larger" reason for the increasing numbers of autism.

To be diagnosed on the ASD, one must meet the critera in the DSM IV-R. These criteria have been present in the DSM< since 1980. There was actually a corrective NARROWING in diagnostic criteria in 1994 which made an autism diagnosis more EXclusive not more INclusive. The numbers of children diagnosed with autism has continued to rise since 1994.

Source: "Changing Criteria of autistic disorders: A comparison of the ICD-10 research criteria and DSM-IV with DSM-III-R, CARS and ABC." J Autism Developmental Disorder, 1996;26(5):513-25

[mkmoro311]

I must say I hate when people say things like "I gave my kids this or that and they are fine!" Are they really, you can be possitive that their allergies, ADHD, Asthma, Migranes, etc. can't be linked to what ever you gave them that they are now fine from!

My mom always pulls that crap with me. Oh I did this with you and you turned out fine. Right, my GERD and Allergies just came out of thin air then right!

[medusaatemydog]

Originally Posted by felix23

Well, I don't believe (and studies have not shown) that autism is caused by vaccines. IMO the reason that more children are diagnosed is because the Austism spectrum is larger. Children that were once either not diagnosed or incorrectly diagnosed are now correctly being diagnosed with autism. My mom knows several childhood friends who were labled as "trouble makers", but looking back, she now suspects that they were really autistic. Autism has always been around.

I do delay/select vax with dd2, but dd1 is completly vaxed and is almost never sick. I'm completly vaxed and haven't been sick in years. Almost everyone I know who vax AND eat a healthy, balanced diet are not chronically sick. And I know who don't vax and DON'T eat a healthy diet their children are chronically sick. I think chronic illness is caused diet, not vaccine.

the problem with the studies that claim vaxes dont' cause autism is that these studies are either done by or paid for by the pharmecutical companies, undesirable results are thrown out, and the studies themselves seemed to be extremely flawed and bias.... and ... the fact that in medical literature a doctors name is usually bought so it can be used in a medical journal study... they coin the term ghost writing.... The fact that there are so many independant researchers, and hundreds of thousands of us seeing the same repetitive injury after vax.....that in other countries when they have either stopped or reduced the number of vax the 'supposedly' nonvax related disease either had decreased or stopped altogether....the fact that they refuse to compare non vax and vax children is another issue...

i must ask if you have ever read a toxicology report or invesitgated the toxicology of some of the components of the vaxs.... a good example is to study ALUMINUM.

I have read some of these studies claiming there is no connenction they completely avoid the real situation and they just seemed so biased and the body of the whole research seems very weak and manipulated..

if these are the only studies you have read about vax.... than you need to put in alot more time researching

[medusaatemydog]

i have to say... i appreciate and love all the mothers that have helped me learn through all these years... there are some i do not believe are here anymore that have very good books published.... i sit here and i read and i am so grateful because when i had a problem i had people here willing to help me find the answers... i am grateful for what i know now...

[aniT]

Originally Posted by felix23

Well, I don't believe (and studies have not shown) that autism is caused by vaccines. IMO the reason that more children are diagnosed is because the Austism spectrum is larger. Children that were once either not diagnosed or incorrectly diagnosed are now correctly being diagnosed with autism. My mom knows several childhood friends who were labled as "trouble makers", but looking back, she now suspects that they were really autistic. Autism has always been around.

I do delay/select vax with dd2, but dd1 is completly vaxed and is almost never sick. I'm completly vaxed and haven't been sick in years. Almost everyone I know who vax AND eat a healthy, balanced diet are not chronically sick. And I know who don't vax and DON'T eat a healthy diet their children are chronically sick. I think chronic illness is caused diet, not vaccine.

I think it is extremely naive to believe that autism rates are not up and it's just better diagnosis. That is what pharma wants you to believe.

I knew ONE kid JUST ONE that had ADHD. True ADHD to the point where ermm smoking some MJ would make him bounce off the freaking walls!

I knew ONE kid.. just ONE tha t went to our church and rocked back and forth and did strange things with his hands. What he officially had I don't know, but these were the only ones the whole time I went to school. The kids that were in the "special" class mostly had Cerebral Palsy (sp) and other psychical problems.

Yet DD's preschool teacher told me that she has a friend who teaches K at the school I was trying to get DD into. There were four autistic children in the K class making it harder to control the class and less learning was happening. Four! In one K class. In a small school of only 250 students. That is not better diagnosis.

[medusaatemydog]

Originally Posted by Emmeline II

I've lost count of the number of older teachers or posters whose parents were teachers who've said that they did not have the number of "trouble makers" that you would find in a classroom today. Whatever you label a behavior it would still exist, "oh, back in my day we called those children troublemakers, but now I understand it was Autism", but that is not what I'm hearing.

i do not remember kids in school ever behaving the way my neighbors autistic kid does... nor do i remember kids lining up around and down the hall in such a long line for pharmecuticals at the nurses office...

you have to realise what all these synthetic chemicals are doing to these kids... also the rise in kidney infections and diabetes... it's not from better diagnosis, this is from damage from too many chemicals being injected and shoved down thier throats... how many small children on riddlin and paxil and zoloft... one reason no child of mine will ever attend a public school in this country... mandatory medication... they are becoming profitable guinea pigs... and if your pediatrician didn't give vaccines he would be out of a job

[laohaire]

Originally Posted by mkmoro311

I must say I hate when people say things like "I gave my kids this or that and they are fine!" Are they really, you can be possitive that their allergies, ADHD, Asthma, Migranes, etc. can't be linked to what ever you gave them that they are now fine from!

My mom always pulls that crap with me. Oh I did this with you and you turned out fine. Right, my GERD and Allergies just came out of thin air then right!

I'm guilty of that in this thread, but I totally agree with you, and have argued this point on other threads.

Like, "oh, I never wore my seatbelt and I'm fine" for example.

Anyway.... <kicks self>

[aniT]

Originally Posted by medusaatemydog

one reason no child of mine will ever attend a public school in this country... mandatory medication...

My daughter is diagnosed ADD and not on meds. The only reason I got the diagnosis was to get a 504 plan.