Vaccines for EMT volunteer?

[katiesk]

I have a good friend with whom I frequently discuss vaccinations. She is an EMT volunteer and is feeling a little conflicted about getting up to date with some of the recommended vaccines. The ones I recall specifically right now are Hepatitis...all of them, I think?

She works in a place where there is an incredible amount of communicable diseases and is frequently bled on, vomited on, who knows what else.

What are your thoughts? What info would you recommend for her? She has read What your dr may not tell you about childrens vaccinations because I was reading it and she was curious. I think her further interest stems from that book.

Thanks!

[just_lily]

Does that book even cover the Hep vaccines? I can't remember off the top of my head, but I know that some of the newer vax weren't in there.

I would definitely have her read the vaccine inserts. You can find pdf versions online just by googling.

My advice to her is to carefully weigh her risks/benefits. I am not anti-vaccine-in-all-instances, and I have to admit that I would consider the Hepatitis series if I was working in a first-responder situation.

[Marnica]

I agree... I would have her research each disease she is concerned about contracting and look at the vaccine for it (if there is one of course). If I was exposed to blood products and there was a possibility of getting needle sticks on a daily basis, I may consider the Hep B series as well.

[medusaatemydog]

Even though Hep B may be a consideration...the thought that passes through my mind is that vaccines tend to depress the immune system, especially if the person has recieved alot of them... i would test the functionality of my liver also before i started poking myself with more needles... i would also get myself tested for heavy metals if i were that person... vaccines are never 100%, and if titers don't prove immunity, sticking yourself with more toxic pharmacuticals may not prevent anything after a certain point. I think there is a peak at which there is an acutal effectiveness when it comes to vaccines... afterall take a look at the school age children nowadays, they all sound like smokers and are chronically ill, autism, lined up at the nurses office for pharmecuticals... what are we actually accomplishing by vaccinating for every vaccine they come out with? CHRONIC ILLNeSS!
We are going to see some very big things come out of this in future generations... and i think much of where we are right now is in some very big conditioning and propaganda and it's very possible to convince people in future generations by convincing people they are always sick and need treatment, in some cases it seems as though pharmecutical companies are rewriting thier own version of history. One claim they make is the 'better diagnosis' excuse for EVERYTHING... it however doesn't really make sense... i remember when i was a little girl and cancer was rare and only for the older generations... now... it's becoming and everyday/every person disease, and what is scary is that people are embracing this as common

... overall health would play a factor here... personally there are few places i would feel comfortable working in todays medical establishment ... i give some people alot of credit for waking up to that job every day because it seems you not only work in medicine, it owns you.

[katiesk]

i don't remember if hep vaxes are covered in that book, but the book basically brought her around to really considering vaxes as not necessarily amazing.

i have referred her to the package inserts, and i think it is a good idea to think about what are the long term effects of vaccine induced chronic illness.

thanks!

[Moose]

Emt

I am a EMT and a member of the county SAR team. I am also on the HAZMAT team. I have been vaccinated for all Hepatitis variants. (And everything else under the sun) I have had no adverse reactions of any type. I tell you what, the peace of mind that I get from knowing I have done everything I can to protect myself, through training and vaccinations, to ensure I'm around for my wife and kids is huge.

Stay Safe.

[Jwebbal]

I have to agree with the EMT. My wife works in an ER, and I sleep better knowing she is less likely to get Hep B from a possible needle stick. She had one years ago, and it was a very scary scenario. We were worried about HIV, but it turns out Hep B was a bigger risk.

I am glad she gets the shots she does to reduce exposure to her family members. She even gets the flu vaccine, in the rare chance it will lessen any exposure to her patients if she gets it before she knows it.

afterall take a look at the school age children nowadays, they all sound like smokers and are chronically ill, autism, lined up at the nurses office for pharmecuticals... what are we actually accomplishing by vaccinating for every vaccine they come out with? CHRONIC ILLNeSS!

As for this comment? Seriously? Where do you get your information from? My son was selective and delayed, though at this point he has had most of his shots. He was fully vaxed up until the age of 1.5, and then we slowed down. He has only been sick enough to see a doctor once in his life, other than the bones he has broken. But I don't attribute it to the shots or lack thereof of his friends who are unvaxed and get sick more often than my son. I know lots of fully vaxed kids and I don't see them as being more or less unhealthy for the most part, if anything I attribute most of any health issues to diet. Our immune systems are meant to be used, I cannot say my son has never had a cold, or GI illness, or flu even, but he recovers quickly and doesn't need drugs or anything else.

[katiesk]

well, obviously this is a personal choice - and by personal, i mean, not even on behalf of ones children or anything. i think it is tricky though, because of the potential for long term ill effects from the vaccine. if there were absolutely no drawbacks, there would not be much of a question to ask...

thanks everyone!

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by Jwebbal

I have to agree with the EMT. My wife works in an ER, and I sleep better knowing she is less likely to get Hep B from a possible needle stick. She had one years ago, and it was a very scary scenario. We were worried about HIV, but it turns out Hep B was a bigger risk.

I am glad she gets the shots she does to reduce exposure to her family members. She even gets the flu vaccine, in the rare chance it will lessen any exposure to her patients if she gets it before she knows it.



As for this comment? Seriously? Where do you get your information from? My son was selective and delayed, though at this point he has had most of his shots. He was fully vaxed up until the age of 1.5, and then we slowed down. He has only been sick enough to see a doctor once in his life, other than the bones he has broken. But I don't attribute it to the shots or lack thereof of his friends who are unvaxed and get sick more often than my son. I know lots of fully vaxed kids and I don't see them as being more or less unhealthy for the most part, if anything I attribute most of any health issues to diet. Our immune systems are meant to be used, I cannot say my son has never had a cold, or GI illness, or flu even, but he recovers quickly and doesn't need drugs or anything else.

What this poster is trying to convey I think, is that our children are sicker than ever before. They have more ashtma, alleregies and other chronic conditions than previous generations. I'm sure that many factors contribute to the state of our children's health....vaccines included. There is evidence out there that vaccines depress the immune system and skew it from being primarily cell-mediated (t1) to primarily humoral in nature (t2), by overstimulating the t2 brnach thus possibly contributing to the explosion of autoimmune disorders so this poster is not far off. I'm glad your children have had no reactions to vaccines and are healthy although long terms effects of vaccination cannot be known unless your children are now adults.
Many people have this experience, but this does not mean that vaccines cannot cause real harm, including chronic illness for some children.