The Flu can kill unvaccinated children

[Marnica]

This article really really made me MAD!!!

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_621712.html

McGowan said she felt guilt because she had never immunized her son. Why not protect them? Why not give their systems the ability to fight off the virus that's in them?" she said.

While under-vaccinated children tend to be from poor families with limited medical access, unvaccinated children tend to be the offspring of upper- and middle-class, educated "soccer moms," Marshall said.

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"For every dollar we spend on immunizing children, we save $5 in direct medical costs and an additional $11 in societal costs," Marshall said.

WTF???

He said doctors and nurses must continue to educate parents, particularly by telling stories like McGowan's, to encourage immunization.

Yes...keep telling the horror stories, keep the fear-mongering alive, because real facts may not be enough to convince educated parents.

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[DocJenn]

I find it interesting that it was the 'flu' that killed him. The mom didn't even consider the anesthesia. Going under general anesthesia kills lots of people each year. And who's to say that he actually had one of the strains of influenza that the vaccine protects against?

[kiara7]

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It couldn't be anything but the flu, of course.

Also, isn't it April? Pretty soon they'll tel us the flu is year-round.

[ssh]

If they really wanted to protect young children from viral illnesses they'd recommend extended breastfeeding. My DD is 3.5 and doesn't nurse very much, but still gets extremely mild versions of what the rest of the family gets. And when she was nursing a lot more she didn't get sick much at all, maybe once a year.

[Ruthla]

The flu can kill vaccinated children too. :

You can go crazy with all the "what ifs". Who's to say he died from the flu, and not from a hospital error, or a reaction to one of the medications they gave him there? Perhaps he would have recovered completely within a week or two if he'stayed home.

Maybe if he'd eaten a healthier diet, or his system wasn't strained from all the OTHER vaccines he probably received, he wouldn't have gotten the flu in the first place.

[KarlaC]

Ridiculous. My girls have never had a flu vaccine, I worked in health care facilities for over a decade & the one year I did get a vaccine(before I knew better) I was the sickest I have EVER been in my life, it was horrible.

Both of girls made regular weekly visits to the nursing home for 10 years(flu season or not) & strangely..neither of them ever got sick. They started going at 2 y/o & 6 months old.

Amazing what good hand washing & proper nutrition can do to help the immune system. I imagine the people who wrote that article would write us off as flukes or lucky though.

[AFWife]

Originally Posted by Ruthla

The flu can kill vaccinated children too. :

You can go crazy with all the "what ifs". Who's to say he died from the flu, and not from a hospital error, or a reaction to one of the medications they gave him there? Perhaps he would have recovered completely within a week or two if he'stayed home.

Maybe if he'd eaten a healthier diet, or his system wasn't strained from all the OTHER vaccines he probably received, he wouldn't have gotten the flu in the first place.

This! (bold mostly)

I made the decision when I first got pregnant that I wouldn't make choices that were out of pure fear and speculation!

You can play the "what if" game all day long with cases like this. What if he'd stayed home and sucked down some Vit C and homemade chicken soup? What if he'd had the vaccine? What if he'd been given X treatment instead of Y?

I just hate that doctors use cases like this as "proof" that vaccines are needed. Yes, some children die when they get the flu. Yes, some children get staph when they get chicken pox. But you know what? Some children die when they get the common cold. Some children have fatal allergies that don't show up until they come in contact with the trigger. Is that a case for putting all of our children in bubbles?

[eclipse]

Why was he vomiting?

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by eclipse

Why was he vomiting?

I would assume it was a symptom of his flu, but who knows??

[eclipse]

But influenza isn't a gastro virus - it's respiratory - unless he was coughing so hard he vomited. It just seems like there might have been more going on with him than the flu.

[emma1325]

I sent this to the reporter

Ms. Reeger,

I was very disappointed to read your story, "Foundation: Flu Can Kill Unvaccinated Children." It was one of the most one-sided stories I have ever seen, and my husband has been in journalism for 10 years and publishes 2 newspapers. I've read a lot of news articles, and yours was completely biased.

In your article, the recent court rulings were mentioned: "despite overwhelming scientific evidence and court rulings that vaccines are not linked to increased incidence of autism." Did you even check into this claim?

For your information, there have been four recent court cases. One of them ruled that in that particular case, there was not enough evidence to support a causal relationship between vaccines and autism. In the remaining 3 cases, vaccines were implicated as the direct cause of autistic symptoms. Please research this further; these court rulings are not secret and to report on one and ignore the rest is misleading to the public.

Please examine and acknowledge both sides of the issues that you cover, especially important issues such as this. Lack of proof certainly does not make vaccines safe. The Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System receives more than 14,000 reports each year of vaccine side effects. Vaccines carry documented risks such as brain damage and death.

To allow someone to voice the opinion that non-vaccinated children belong to "soccer moms" without interviewing ANY of those so-called soccer moms is irresponsible reporting.

Please consider a follow up story which attempts to cover the other side of this very important issue. I would be glad to provide you with resources in which to learn about the very real risks that vaccines carry.

Sincerely,

Kellie Bischof

[BunnySlippers]

Do they know the flu can kill vaccinated children

[Turquesa]

I heard a pediatric consult for NPR comment on the flu vax. (His last name starts with an "S" and he's with Yale University. That's all that I can remember!) He basically admitted that the rationale behind vaccinating children for the flu was to protect immuno-compromised adults, especially the elderly. I wish that I could find the interview. It was awhile back...

But what I really wish is that given this fact, Big Medicine and Big Media would stop exploiting these sparsely occurring (albeit tragic) deaths to whore the vax cause. :

[youngwife]

This is so sad that this boy died, but nuts that flu is being blamed!

The flu was not what killed this boy, while it was somewhat of a contributing factor. Going to baseball tryouts while very sick, and not being adequately hydrated could have caused his muscles to constrict, which could have also contributed to the circulatory system shutting down.

Had he not had the compartment syndrome, he would not have needed the emergency surgery, and would have probably just recovered from the flu at home.

The paleness of his lips was a side effect of the compartment syndrome, according to Wiki.

This is just another example of the medical community spewing lies and propaganda to promote their agenda.

[Ruthla]

Re-reading that story, I have to wonder if he even HAD influenza to begin with. The sudden onset of his symptoms make me wonder if it wasn't meningitis, or another fast-acting virus or bacteria.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by eclipse

But influenza isn't a gastro virus - it's respiratory - unless he was coughing so hard he vomited. It just seems like there might have been more going on with him than the flu.

I know the flu is not gastro, but vomiting can be a symptom of the flu nevertheless:

The common symptoms of the flu include:
Fever (usually high)
Headache
Muscle aches
Chills
Extreme tiredness
Dry cough
Runny nose may also occur but is more common in children than adults
Stomach symptoms, such as nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea, may also occur but are more common in children than adults

http://www.flufacts.com/symptoms/

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by emma1325

Ms. Reeger,

I was very disappointed to read your story, "Foundation: Flu Can Kill Unvaccinated Children." It was one of the most one-sided stories I have ever seen, and my husband has been in journalism for 10 years and publishes 2 newspapers. I've read a lot of news articles, and yours was completely biased.

In your article, the recent court rulings were mentioned: "despite overwhelming scientific evidence and court rulings that vaccines are not linked to increased incidence of autism." Did you even check into this claim?

For your information, there have been four recent court cases. One of them ruled that in that particular case, there was not enough evidence to support a causal relationship between vaccines and autism. In the remaining 3 cases, vaccines were implicated as the direct cause of autistic symptoms. Please research this further; these court rulings are not secret and to report on one and ignore the rest is misleading to the public.

Please examine and acknowledge both sides of the issues that you cover, especially important issues such as this. Lack of proof certainly does not make vaccines safe. The Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System receives more than 14,000 reports each year of vaccine side effects. Vaccines carry documented risks such as brain damage and death.

To allow someone to voice the opinion that non-vaccinated children belong to "soccer moms" without interviewing ANY of those so-called soccer moms is irresponsible reporting.

Please consider a follow up story which attempts to cover the other side of this very important issue. I would be glad to provide you with resources in which to learn about the very real risks that vaccines carry.

Sincerely,

Kellie Bischof

That's great...let us know if she responds to you!

[eclipse]

Originally Posted by Marnica

I know the flu is not gastro, but vomiting can be a symptom of the flu nevertheless:



http://www.flufacts.com/symptoms/

Interesting - I didn't know that.

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by eclipse

But influenza isn't a gastro virus - it's respiratory - unless he was coughing so hard he vomited. It just seems like there might have been more going on with him than the flu.

I remember reading that vomiting was sometimes a symptom in children with the flu; don't know why though.

[littlecindy]

i wish people could just rewind and think about their childhood...did we get flu shots all the time? were our friends dying left and right from the flu? seriously...