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post #21 of 49
I'm still waiting for 12 hours!
post #22 of 49
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Originally Posted by almadianna View Post
I dont believe that this is really true only for APers, I think this is true for all parents. It might seem more pronounced in APers for these reasons though...

I believe that a) a great deal of parent wont admit in public the issues that they have because they think that it makes them bad parents to have a kid that is older than 4 weeks old and doesnt STTN and b) harsh sleep training methods are being used which may seem to make a child sleep well because the poor child gets disheartened after a while... but this typically does not last.

Yes, I do know quite a bit of non-apers who tell me things such as "my lo was sttn and now he's up at 3 every morning" So I guess the fact that the CIO works for a while and then they regress would make it seem as if the child is sttn.

Also, another reason that may make it seem like the child is sttn could be that because we co-sleep, we know every little move our babies make. We wake when they wake... or sometimes even snort... So it seems as if our babies are waking more often, when in reality a baby in a crib is waking just as many times, but it is not being noticed by the parents..
post #23 of 49
That's one of the most heartbreaking things I think I've read in a really long time.
post #24 of 49
I think the book should first recommend that the parents "get used to being hungry" and see how much they like it! Even in an adult, there's a profound difference between choosing to fast or diet, and being hungry because you just can't get food, no matter how much you might want it. I've been hungry a little like that (run short of food backpacking), and it wasn't much fun. Imagine what it would be like if you were an infant! And it was every day!
post #25 of 49
What a hideous concept. I look at parenting this way: if something is targetted at improving my quality of life, it's probably not worth my time; if something is targetted at improving my baby's quality of life, it's worth taking a look at. Once I became a mother, "all me all the time" got thrown out of the window. Anything I do is done for my daughter, to keep her happy, healthy, and secure. I don't care if I wake up every three hours during the night, because feeding her trumps my desire to sleep a little longer. Period.
post #26 of 49
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Originally Posted by mckittre View Post
I think the book should first recommend that the parents "get used to being hungry" and see how much they like it! Even in an adult, there's a profound difference between choosing to fast or diet, and being hungry because you just can't get food, no matter how much you might want it. I've been hungry a little like that (run short of food backpacking), and it wasn't much fun. Imagine what it would be like if you were an infant! And it was every day!
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Very true!
post #27 of 49
This is truly horrible. Do you happen to know what pediatrician she uses? I was thinking if you knew that, you could talk to the office and make them aware of this book. You could probably do this with pediatricians, actually. Is there any kind of formal statement against this book by another group?

I just read a review that said: The people who think this is a strange concept... most adults don't eat druing the night nor do most children so not eating for 12 hours isn't too big a deal. I have 4 children and they all have gone 12 hours by the time they were 12 weeks old and they are not food deprived by any means. They were never low percentage for weight.


I cannot believe someone would compare a 12 week old baby with an adult or older child. And being in the low percentile is not the only danger. Their children may end up on the opposite end of the spectrum, as their bodies adapt to a lower calorie environment and become adept at conserving energy and storing what they get.
post #28 of 49

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If anyone were tell their dr. their baby only fed 4 times a day at 12weeks..esp EBzm the dr. would have to wonder. Even formula fed babies eat more frequently than that. That book is worse than Babywise. It make Ezzo look like a Saint!
post #29 of 49
WTH..........Wow....: I can't even find words to explain my thoughts right now
post #30 of 49
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Originally Posted by Julia24 View Post
ITA! I'm all about sleep for babies, but that seems counterintuitive to me - a baby needs x amount of food for their own little selves to grow...if you feed them LESS during the day - they will be HUNGRIER at night, yk? I was always of the mind set, if they don't get the OZ they need during the day - they'll get them at night...so if you want a sleeping baby at night, you better make sure you are ON it during the day!!!! And some babies just CAN'T get enough during the day - so there will BE no 12 hour stretches. And some can - I've been lucky enough to have 2 (so far watch this third one will have me up all night!!!) that SLEEP. (and not because I fed them every FOUR hours during the day!!!!!!)
That is my DS. He eats all his calories during the day and will easily sleep 7-8 hrs at night. He did this on his own though. No force on my part. Granted it is great to be able to sleep at night, but not at the expense of your LO!
post #31 of 49

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Edited by Muminmamman - 6/25/11 at 6:00pm
post #32 of 49
wow, that is just sad. that's more about the parents than the baby!
post #33 of 49
That makes me ill. Personally, I would be getting names & calling social services on anyone who thinks that kind of thing is acceptable. It's cruel & abusive to withhold food from anyone, much less a tiny baby. Why do these abuse manuals keep getting published & why aren't their authors being charged with child endangerment, at the very least?
post #34 of 49
I would have had to say something. Another example of people not seeing babies as human. You wouldnt do this to a invalid adult so how is it ok to do it to a baby.
post #35 of 49
: One of the Amazon.com reviews says that it isn't "starving your baby" because "you aren't supposed to start until they're 10lbs and 8 weeks old" :

And apparently one of the authors is a "judicial law clerk", there's NO excuse for all the unsupported claims.
post #36 of 49
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Originally Posted by BonnieNova View Post
(nak)

when I first heard of this and read the reviews online at barnes n noble, I have to admit I was saying to myself "maybe it's good to follow some of the advice if it makes for good sleeping habits in the future".

It seems to me that most of us APers have sleep problems that are hard to resolve.

Though I could never starve my baby by feeding him only every 4 hours, and I will never let my baby CIO, I was thinking maybe there are some techniques we could glean from the book?

Then I heard about the baby who stays in his crib for twelve hours whether awake or not. Who doesn't cry when he's hungry because he is used to being hungry. You can pretty much teach someone to sit back and take anything as long as they are used to it. Being in a crib for 12 hours is not normal. Babies are meant to be held and cuddled. Im not sure I really want my baby to experience being "pent up" and just sitting back and taking it...

I like my little sleep fighter - he has a personality, he's not being "forced" into the mold. I like it when he complains because he is uncomfortable. Or when he squeals because he is excited. I don't want the typical "take whatever comes" baby. My ds is human, he has feelings and needs and he should be taught to express those needs.

So they can keep their books and their methods of forcing babies into adult schedules and timetables. And I will keep my very happy, original, full of personality, sleep fighting baby. Well hopefully the sleep fighting goes away....
That's just beautiful!

Did anyone notice (in the book review) that it's a "Limited-Crying Solution?" So much nicer than CIO! (ha)
post #37 of 49
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Originally Posted by Devaskyla View Post
That makes me ill. Personally, I would be getting names & calling social services on anyone who thinks that kind of thing is acceptable. It's cruel & abusive to withhold food from anyone, much less a tiny baby. Why do these abuse manuals keep getting published & why aren't their authors being charged with child endangerment, at the very least?
:Absolutely!!! These so-called experst need to be held responsible for the dangerous nonsense they put out there!!! My first thought was, 'does a baby actually have to die before someone takes action???"
post #38 of 49
That is heartbreaking.



Did Ezzo pick up a new pen name?:
post #39 of 49
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Originally Posted by almadianna View Post
I dont believe that this is really true only for APers, I think this is true for all parents. It might seem more pronounced in APers for these reasons though...

I believe that a) a great deal of parent wont admit in public the issues that they have because they think that it makes them bad parents to have a kid that is older than 4 weeks old and doesnt STTN and b) harsh sleep training methods are being used which may seem to make a child sleep well because the poor child gets disheartened after a while... but this typically does not last.
I personally think we have less sleep issues to worry about. I have a girlfriend who sleep trained using the Ferber method, and every single time something happens to disrupt her child's schedule, they are smack dab back at square one.

I know I spent most of the first year up late, and I know I still get up twice a night or more to feed DS, but really? It's normal to me now. I'm used to it, and I actually consider a night where he gets up 2-3 times a great night.

APer's and Non STing Moms have lower expectations of sleep habits. These people who sleep train expect sleep habits that even some adults don't have, thus the reason I think they end up putting more work and more effort into their sleep issues. Quite frankly, the spend more time stressing about sleep then I do. I just accept my son as he is, and his sleep patterns are what they are.

ETA: This book makes me barf in my mouth too. The positive reviews on the website are scary as well. Let's talk about selfish parenting!
post #40 of 49
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Originally Posted by teale View Post

Quite frankly, the spend more time stressing about sleep then I do. I just accept my son as he is, and his sleep patterns are what they are.

ETA: This book makes me barf in my mouth too. The positive reviews on the website are scary as well. Let's talk about selfish parenting!
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My son is perfect just the way he is! waking up at 3am for an hour of playing included! (even though sometimes I wish he would just go back to sleep )

I knew that when he was born he wouldn't STTN for a while - I figure it doesn't matter if I want to deal with it or not I have to. I do have to hand it to single mothers though - I LOVE my BF for doing each and every middle of the night diaper change since Lincoln was born! I do have to feed him a few times a night, but thats why we co-sleep - quite literally I decided when I was pregnant that I didn't want to have to fully wake up to feed Lincoln, and that I also didn't want him to have to wake up fully to eat - this helps both of us get back to sleep better!
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