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*No* reaction from kombucha?

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I've read (in Wise Traditions) & have heard people here say that they have "reactions" to kombucha - either fatigue, achiness or a buzz-y feeling (like from alcohol.) In an old issue of WT, it said that if you have a reaction, it's because your liver is clogged up & not detoxing. The recommendation was to drink beet kvass for 1-2 months to clear the liver & then drink kombucha.

My question is: I can drink a whole bottle of GT's in 5 minutes & not feel a thing. I've been thinking that I'm sort of toxic & that my liver isn't functioning great, but wouldn't I *know* from drinking a bottle of kombucha?
post #2 of 16


No reaction here either.
post #3 of 16
me neither...?dunno?
post #4 of 16
Yeah kombucha never did anything tangible for me either.
post #5 of 16
I can give my best guess, FWIW. I think drinking a whole bottle and having no reaction means you don't have a major toxicity problem like me--I've avoided kombucha for this reason. But I also believe there's a wide spectrum between good, healthy liver function and people like me, and most everybody should think about liver function and how their particular bodies detoxify (lurking in Allergies right now is helpful, I know you've been over there, Meta, but it's working to help peoples' food intolerances, yay! and I've seen ups/downs in my son's intolerances based on his liver being more/less stressed too). People have strengths and weaknesses, and if you can figure out clues to what your particular body needs, you'll be WAY ahead of the game in terms of feeling good and staying healthy long-term, and for you I bet it'll help the rate at which your adrenals heal.

I did this while nursing on the advice of my HCP, and a) since vitamin C is so important for the adrenals, it's supportive that way, and b) it lowers circulating toxins, and oftentimes toxins seem to settle more easily in the adrenals and thyroid than other places (don't know why) so it would be supportive that way too...
http://www.perque.com/pdfs/Pt_Ascorbate_Slush_FIN.pdf

Fun? Well, not really (read the whole doc, you'll understand why) but IMO (and in my HCP's opinion, and she was pretty conservative on what nursing moms should do) it's safe while nursing, and I know I've felt better doing these. But, I think that's partly because I'm more messed up--you may not feel better right away, but I think they are supportive and help with detoxification by reducing the load on the liver.

So it's possible that your liver is stressed, but it's likely that you haven't come across a major source that you can't detoxify well. So you're not me.

In general, we get detox reactions when there's a big disconnect between what's mobilized and what we have the bandwidth to excrete. For me, I have a tendency to not excrete heavy metals well and have accumulated quite a high amount, and so smaller amounts of things that mobilize toxins have the potential to mobilize a whole lot in me (until I get my toxic load down), and my excretion bandwidth is/was fairly impaired. But there's a window in which you've mobilized stuff, and you can't excrete it all yet, but your body can handle it (more circulates for a while, some may re-settle) but you feel okay--you don't have headaches, body aches, other weird stuff. So it doesn't imply that the kombucha didn't mobilize anything in you (and so at least some of what was mobilized was excreted, so you've come out ahead), or that your liver function is peachy keen, but the scale of the potential problem is pretty manageable.
post #6 of 16
Huh... I always thought I was reacting to the sugar or something...

Kombucha makes me feel icky. Especially after the 3rd or 4th day of drinking it in a row. I feel really tired and a little headachey and really brain foggy.

It's my liver, eh?

Not what I wanted to hear. But not really a surprise, either. I don't seem to have much in the way of heavy metals in my bod, so I wonder what toxins I've got squirreled away in there that need out?

I've got to someday send the kids to grandma's and sit down with that allergy forum methyl group detox pathways stuff until I finally understand it and have a plan on how to proceed. It makes my head spin.
post #7 of 16
When I first started drinking it the only reaction I noticed was kind of stinky BM's. Just in case you had some mild reaction like that and didn't connect the two...
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by Junegoddess View Post
Not what I wanted to hear. But not really a surprise, either. I don't seem to have much in the way of heavy metals in my bod, so I wonder what toxins I've got squirreled away in there that need out?
I always am compelled to ask, what type of testing did you do to determine this? Thing is, some things don't show up consistently on a hair test. My daughter's hair test showed quite low mercury, when looking directly at the mercury, but because we used a Doctor's Data Hair Elements test and Cutler's interpretation rules, we could look at the regular minerals (cal, mag, selenium, lithium, all the normal stuff) and see that the mercury was a problem. That wasn't a surprise given that I knew it was an issue for me, but it was nice confirmation. I always worry that people have ruled out heavy metals too soon--not that it's everyone's issue, I know it isn't, but the silly Greenpeace hair test I did 6 years ago showed undetectably low mercury. And here I am.
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
I always am compelled to ask, what type of testing did you do to determine this? Thing is, some things don't show up consistently on a hair test. My daughter's hair test showed quite low mercury, when looking directly at the mercury, but because we used a Doctor's Data Hair Elements test and Cutler's interpretation rules, we could look at the regular minerals (cal, mag, selenium, lithium, all the normal stuff) and see that the mercury was a problem. That wasn't a surprise given that I knew it was an issue for me, but it was nice confirmation. I always worry that people have ruled out heavy metals too soon--not that it's everyone's issue, I know it isn't, but the silly Greenpeace hair test I did 6 years ago showed undetectably low mercury. And here I am.
I don't remember the name of my hair analysis test... right now (late at night) I can't even recall where the paperwork for it is. I showed up as having very low levels of a couple of the bad metals... but I didn't get many vaccines, never had any amalgam fillings, and never really ate much fish until I was smart enough to pick the low-mercury kind. I don't know where the bad metals would have come from.
I'm certainly interested in getting a better-quality test done.
post #10 of 16
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I don't remember the name of my hair analysis test... right now (late at night) I can't even recall where the paperwork for it is. I showed up as having very low levels of a couple of the bad metals... but I didn't get many vaccines, never had any amalgam fillings, and never really ate much fish until I was smart enough to pick the low-mercury kind. I don't know where the bad metals would have come from.
I'm certainly interested in getting a better-quality test done.
It's not terribly expensive, about $85 if you call Direct Lab Services...
http://www.directlabs.com/
800-908-0000 (I guess they wanted to make the ph # really easy for folks, it's also on the front page)

and ask for the Hair Elements test by Doctor's Data. If you call (instead of ordering online) and mention the autism-mercury yahoo group, you should get a small discount off the normal $93.

Mercury's less likely if you can't identify a source, but I've seen some people end up with it as a problem anyway, even though they never figured out where it came from. I think they had to rule out of a lot of other stuff to get there.

We've got a thread at MDC that discusses interpretation...
http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...435848&page=30

since it's not as straightforward as looking at how much shows up. Or pop into Allergies, a few folks there have found the tests useful as well.
post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 
I didn't have many vaxes either, no amalgams, not much unsafe seafood. But, my Mom had a lot of amalgams...

I also broke a mercury thermometer when I was a kid & cleaned it up myself.

Tanya, you have to have stopped nursing for that test to be accurate, right?
Do you prefer that test to the provocative urine test?
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by Metasequoia View Post
I didn't have many vaxes either, no amalgams, not much unsafe seafood. But, my Mom had a lot of amalgams...

I also broke a mercury thermometer when I was a kid & cleaned it up myself.

Tanya, you have to have stopped nursing for that test to be accurate, right?
Do you prefer that test to the provocative urine test?
The Hair Elements test will show mineral levels for lots of regular minerals, not just heavy metals. I mean--if you worked in a plant that treated wood for decking and were exposed to lots and lots of arsenic (assuming they did a really bad job protecting the workers), then that should show up as high arsenic. Same with most of the metals--there are some unusual circumstances I've read about, but mostly, unless mercury is also involved, the toxic metals you see are what you've got. Mercury seems atypical in that it mostly hides, it mostly doesn't show up in hair (for a minority of people, it does show up high in the hair). And mercury can so degrade your ability to excrete that all the toxic metals look low (my parents) but you also fail the mercury counting rules. So I mention mercury specifically because I think it's the first thing to rule in or out--if you rule it out, then the test is much more straightforward, but if mercury is involved (based on looking at the regular minerals) then some things are less clear (except that you need to deal with your mercury ).

Using the Doctor's Data Hair Elements test to look for mercury has a false-positive problem for nursing women. And I'm not sure if the way the minerals shift when lactating vs not happens in a pattern. So if a nursing woman saw crazy high levels of lead, that should be very real, but if she showed up mercury toxic because many of her regular minerals were low, that may _not_ be real (it's that specific counting rule that lactating women often meet, even when mercury isn't a problem for them).

I don't like the provoked urine test. You swallow a large amount of chelator (probably more than I've ever taken at once), I think usually DMSA, and then wait to see what gets stirred up. Problem is, then all that stuff that's stirred up is more than the bandwidth to excrete it, so it'll resettle all over your body, and ow, that hurts. If you don't have much of a mercury problem, not as much will be mobilized and you'll probably have better excretion bandwidth than someone who does have a mercury problem, so the sicker people end up with the worse problems from it, which seems doubly unfair. I'm also not sure how reliable the interpretation is--everybody's got some mercury and arsenic and lead and other things DMSA mobilizes, and I'm not sure how reliable it is to say Person A has a problem, but Person B doesn't. But mostly I don't like the risk, health-wise.
post #13 of 16
I probably haven't been completely clear. Most people can probably do some really useful work on their health by thinking about detoxification, but most people do not have a serious heavy metal problem. People like me are sitting at one end of the spectrum, I just got unlucky genes wrt how we excrete mercury and similar metals. But peoples' liver function can be strained and impaired without heavy metals being a large portion of their issue. I think it's a very helpful thing to think about and explore, for short-term and long-term health.

need to run
post #14 of 16
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When I first started drinking it the only reaction I noticed was kind of stinky BM's. Just in case you had some mild reaction like that and didn't connect the two...
If I drink a whole bottle of it I get the runs. My teenage dd does too.
post #15 of 16
thinking about this too.... some thing don't sit well with people for a whole host of reasons. NOT just liver toxicity. (though I truly believe that is a big and plausible cause in many cases).

for some it could be the tea, the tannins, the sugar (some people's still have sugar in it) the fermentation process, the flavorings or fruit in it... etc etc... just b/c one can't drink kombucha doesn't mean one has an exact diagnosis of something wrong.

I think it's dangerous to use on "health drink" to diagnosis liver or metal toxcitiy alone. I have this problem with WAPF too - they put SO much emphasis on raw milk drinking and throw raw milk at just about every health problem. some people (for a variety of reasons) just can't handle cow milk.

anyhow not to ge off topic

My husband brews kombucha. him and the kids LOVE it. me? one sip makes me feel awful all over. and I have been on a liver detox for almost a yr now... FWIW
post #16 of 16
i have never experienced any negative feeling after drinking kombucha. my desire for it varies though, some weeks i drink 8oz a day, sometimes i go a couple weeks not drinking any at all.
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