Swine Flu - Page 3

[Tracy]

Well, there will be no recession for Donald Rumsfeld. Cha-Ching.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/tamiflu.asp

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by New Mama

Does anyone else immediately think terrible things like someone will assassinate Obama and the swine flu will be blamed, and Bush cronies will use this "crisis" to re-grab power?

No, because a bush crony is in power no matter who is president. Zbig

[amnesiac]

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[Suzannah]

Back on topic, for those of you who need first-hand accounts to believe something (not the same as viewing it with your own two eyes, but closer):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/8018428.stm

I don't believe it's a conspiracy, and they don't really say that you need to rush out and get vaccinated (as the vaccine isn't effective against this in particular, regardless of how you feeling about it generally).

I am going to stock up on some food supplies and keep my family as healthy as possible until school is out (four weeks). Food prices are going up anyway, so I see nothing wrong with stocking up at this point.

[japonica]

I just saw them saying on TV here (Canada) that if you got your regular flu shot this year you *may* be protected (what a load of...). Maybe they're trying to get rid of this past fall's old flu vaxes.

[ErinsJuneBug]

Originally Posted by japonica

I just saw them saying on TV here (Canada) that if you got your regular flu shot this year you *may* be protected (what a load of...). Maybe they're trying to get rid of this past fall's old flu vaxes.

hahah, that doesnt even MAKE SENSE!!! Sadly i wonder how many people are saying "thank god i got a flu shot this year."

[Amylcd]

Originally Posted by ErinsJuneBug

hahah, that doesnt even MAKE SENSE!!! Sadly i wonder how many people are saying "thank god i got a flu shot this year."

My mother is one of them. Even though she came down with the flu 3 weeks after getting her flu shot, she believes it will protect her against this.

[Baby_Vol]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30422097/

I thought this was interesting:

It's possible that people who have been exposed to flu viruses every year — especially older people, with a greater exposure history — may have some natural immunity, the CDC official said in a call with reporters.

[tammyswanson]

In the book I have, "Nourishing Traditions", they have an exerpt in the book where a study was done, they took a virus that attacks the heart in humans, and it infects only humans and infected malnourished mice with this virus. The virus mutated in the malnourished mice and was able to also infect healthy mice with this virus. Now THAT Ladies and Gents is truly frightening.

Oh and I would not be surprised if this was a man made virus, they have such incredibly lax security and hygiene at so many of these labs..the bio security in most labs is a joke! My DH used to work in a lab where they used radiation. He said that there were so many so called 'educated' people (with PhD's no less) who would not follow basic protocol and take care when using radiation! They wouldn't even dispose of the stuff properly! Luckily, he got out of there sooner than later.

[tammyswanson]

[QUOTE=Baby_Vol;13658473]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30422097/

I thought this was interesting:
It's possible that people who have been exposed to flu viruses every year — especially older people, with a greater exposure history — may have some natural immunity, the CDC official said in a call with reporters.

Ha, I'm surprised they would admit that.

[MamatoPeach]

Originally Posted by Baby_Vol

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30422097/

I thought this was interesting:

Yeah so your better off if you have never had a flu vaccine. Mother nature is on your side.

[medusaatemydog]

i think they are really jumping on the propaganda band wagon ... this flu seems really mild... the thing is people seem to believe that the flu is something that is not normal and we must shoot ourselves with synthetic immunity or we will not survive... sad...

the living conditions in mexico make it very hard for any of those people to fend off any sickness in general...but pharma stocks are doin a dance w/all the publicity of this worldly killer.... i highly doubt it's any more dangerous than any other flu...that is of course unless it was engineered... after all they were testing the bird flu on unsuspecting homeless people in poland not too long ago

[anewmama]

From a PP's link:

I work as a resident doctor in one of the biggest hospitals in Mexico City and sadly, the situation is far from "under control". As a doctor, I realise that the media does not report the truth. Authorities distributed vaccines among all the medical personnel with no results, because two of my partners who worked in this hospital (interns) were killed by this new virus in less than six days even though they were vaccinated as all of us were. The official number of deaths is 20, nevertheless, the true number of victims are more than 200. I understand that we must avoid to panic, but telling the truth it might be better now to prevent and avoid more deaths.

Yeny Gregorio Dávila, Mexico City

[medusaatemydog]

Originally Posted by anewmama

From a PP's link:

I work as a resident doctor in one of the biggest hospitals in Mexico City and sadly, the situation is far from "under control". As a doctor, I realise that the media does not report the truth. Authorities distributed vaccines among all the medical personnel with no results, because two of my partners who worked in this hospital (interns) were killed by this new virus in less than six days even though they were vaccinated as all of us were. The official number of deaths is 20, nevertheless, the true number of victims are more than 200. I understand that we must avoid to panic, but telling the truth it might be better now to prevent and avoid more deaths.

Yeny Gregorio Dávila, Mexico City

That may be true in mexico...but in this country the flu has been relatively mild.... the last i heard there was one hospitalization from this flu... and in mexico chances are thier sanitary system and economics play a big part as to why this pandemic came down so hard there... the industrial pig farmhttp://www.grist.org/article/2009-04...lu-smithfield/ has been comitting enviromental atrocities for years now... the people there are chronically ill from it... and who knows... this could be the result of engineered outbreak... i would love to know if those factory farms had vaccinated those animals and it has leaked out into the sewage..kindof reminds me how polio is spread through india....

[brendaziz]

Originally Posted by orangewallflower

People do have immunity to any virus they have had. When you get the flu again it is either a new strain or immunity has diminished. Same for colds which are caused by corona viruses. There are hundreds of them. You are not getting the same virus over and over. You may be confusing viruses with bacteria which you can get repeatedly.

If this is true then why did i get chicken pox twice?
My sister had it 3 times.
And no we werent misdiagnosed. Textbook chicken pox- just lesser cases and hten teh last one was severe.

but i know that most of th etime if you get something once you're immune. Just not sure that it's a definitive 100% of th etime thing.

[mama_lola]

I live a few minutes away from a community that has closed it's entire school district because 8 kids have been diagnosed with swine flu and many, many more cases are expected. I'm not terrified or anything, but it does make me aprehensive and we're staying home this week. I also work at an outlet mall that gets tons of traffic from Mexico and that worries me as well. We're washing hands a ton and buying some surgical masks just in case...

ETA: I live near San Antonio, texas.

[Baby_Vol]

Originally Posted by MamatoPeach

Yeah so your better off if you have never had a flu vaccine. Mother nature is on your side.

Yep, that's what I was thinking.

I'm also surprised the CDC admitted that.

I don't think most people put two and two together ....but yeah, you're better off having never got the flu shot.

[KimberlyD0]

Originally Posted by brendaziz

If this is true then why did i get chicken pox twice?
My sister had it 3 times.
And no we werent misdiagnosed. Textbook chicken pox- just lesser cases and hten teh last one was severe.

but i know that most of th etime if you get something once you're immune. Just not sure that it's a definitive 100% of th etime thing.

Because for whatever reason some people don't develop an immunity to them. Just like some will get an immunity and never show signs of being infected.

Whats she said is true though. There are thousands of different strands of flu and colds out there.

[PenelopeJune]

If this is true then why did i get chicken pox twice?
My sister had it 3 times.
And no we werent misdiagnosed. Textbook chicken pox- just lesser cases and hten teh last one was severe.

There could be a few reasons. Sometimes people who get a very mild case aren't completely immune and can get it again. Some people's body simply don't create immunity to certain viruses, for whatever reason, or it wears off. It's probable that the vaccine wouldn't have been effective for either of you.

[nwmamas]

Can anyone speak to why babies also seem to be comparatively safer, along with the elderly? It should not be because they too have years of exposure...even if EBF, they likely have similar immunities as their healthy 20-40 yr old parents (who are the main victims).

The 1918 swine flu was the same deal, except it's been hypothesized that the virus did initially target the elderly and infants. In 1918, authorities suspected that the initial swine flu outbreak infected the elderly and vulnerable, mutated, then returned the next fall to claim mostly healthy young adults. That doesn't seem to be the case here.