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post #21 of 481
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Once upon a time, before I had kids, I always thought of epidemics and natural disasters as natural and necessary population control and wasn't too concerned. I even welcomed the idea of it (too many people consuming too many of the earth's resources - something's got to give).

Now that I actually have kids I'm kind of nervous. I also hate the fact that these things keep coming more and more. (I've been in this region for 28 years and never experienced severe flooding and our neighborhood has flooded 2 years in a row).
Population control well I can see the beauty of how you think of it,but I view this a little diffrent,this day in age I wouldnt be suprised if this flu is man made and getting us ready for the new world order.There is a whole bunch millions to be exact plastic coffns to put people in georgia.And fema camps.

I truly hope its just a conspricy thought but look em up on u tube they are there.....

Dont flame me just giving my views,personally it scares the crap right out of me
post #22 of 481
Geez, another slow news week. They have to use these few deaths, worldwide to generate fears?? (Or, to distract the public from other things going on in the world...)

Pandemic? Oh, please......

Geez, remember all those dire warnings about the possibility of an avian flu epidemic after the relatively few cases of same were reported in Asia not too long ago? Remember all those dire warnings about the possibility of an anthrax epidemic after the white-powder-in-envelopes terrorism not too long ago? Remember all those warnings about the possibility of a measles epidemic after the few cases of same were reported in the mid-west not too long ago? Pardon the pun, but those whole scenarios died out, didn't they (but, gosh, they made for great news, for awhile).

I am sorry for those families that have been hit by this illness, I am. But, I'm not worried one bit about this flu or any other flu (in this country or any other). We don't get flu shots. We will not get flu shots, even in the face of an actual epidemic or pandemic (uh-oh, there's that word again). Those that would desire the vaccination will be happy to know there are 5 spare doses of vaccine available, courtesy of my family!

I have more concerns about things like the common Norwalk virus that hits elder care residences (nursing and assisted living homes), causing massive vomiting, diarrhea and dehydration.

Sexually-transmitted diseases are far more common than this (or, other types of) flu. Check out the CDC monthly reported cases of these.

People die from conditions related to obesity, diabetes and heart disease. But, these are so common that they aren't news-worthy anymore.

Same goes with the dangers of cigarettes and their danger to everyone. Why not demand the cessation of their production? Oh, yeah, that would violate people's right to personal pleasure (nevermind what it does to those around them) plus the tobacco lobby wouldn't permit it.

Yet, where is are the DAILY public health warnings about those on the networks newscasts?? Not exactly the stuff CNN leads their broadcasts with, hmmm? Afterall, who wants to hear about old people with vomiting and diarrhea. Or, the mantra about cigarette smoking being bad for you (obviously, nobody reads the small print on a pack before lighting up...)

The reports on the news are all about scare mongering. Keep the public frightened and they will do as they are told.

Looks like it's working.
post #23 of 481
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Originally Posted by mommabear207 View Post
i also saw a video about the swine flu vaccine that was given in i think the 70s and how it killed more people than the flu itself did. seeing how everyone seems to be recovering i would be a bit leary of getting some new vaccine that could have who knows what wrong with it. but i am also a bit concerned that alot of migrant works come up in the summer from mexico and i have young dcs....
Here is some info from Wikipedia about the 1976 outbreak:

1976 U.S. outbreak

On February 5, 1976, an army recruit at Fort Dix said he felt tired and weak. He died the next day and four of his fellow soldiers were later hospitalized. Two weeks after his death, health officials announced that swine flu was the cause of death and that this strain of flu appeared to be closely related to the strain involved in the 1918 flu pandemic. Alarmed public-health officials decided that action must be taken to head off another major pandemic, and they urged President Gerald Ford that every person in the U.S. be vaccinated for the disease. The vaccination program was plagued by delays and public relations problems, but about 24% of the population had been vaccinated by the time the program was canceled.[16]

About 500 cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome, resulting in death from severe pulmonary complications for 25 people, were probably caused by an immunopathological reaction to the vaccine.[16] Other influenza vaccines have not been linked to Guillain-Barré syndrome.[17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_i..._U.S._outbreak
post #24 of 481
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Originally Posted by Treasuremapper View Post
I heard this is airborne, is that true?
All types of influenza (as well as the common cold, etc.) are airborne.
post #25 of 481
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Originally Posted by Miss Information View Post
Once upon a time, before I had kids, I always thought of epidemics and natural disasters as natural and necessary population control and wasn't too concerned. I even welcomed the idea of it (too many people consuming too many of the earth's resources - something's got to give).

Now that I actually have kids I'm kind of nervous.
Yep. Becoming a parent changes everything!!
post #26 of 481
I do think this is a bigger life risk for those in other countries (hence the recovery of all in the US so far). Sad that those already struggling have yet more against them.

The nature of this to strike the age it does--and hence parents--bothers me. But I don't lose sleep over this. My husband or myself are much more likely to die in a car accident than the swine flu. We take vitamin D and I hope that would help resistance in this just like the regular flu. I mention that for anyone looking for something to do to possibly help. But I think it's important to put this in perspective. The risk for each individual just isn't that great. You can't control all life risk.
post #27 of 481
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Originally Posted by sbgrace View Post
I do think this is a bigger life risk for those in other countries (hence the recovery of all in the US so far). Sad that those already struggling have yet more against them.
Those in other countries and those here without insurance who don't go in for care for fear of not being able to afford it :


So a lot of me thinks "yeah right!" about this whole thing. You know just another FEAR FEAR FEAR DOOOOOOOOM!!!! thing the media is throwing out there but then again I am freaked for my kids and living in Southern California.

ETA- and I agree with the massive deaths in the early 20th century not really being relevant in the it was almost 100 years ago. That's kind of like saying homebirths are dangerous because back before all our modern technology a lot of women died in birth, ykwim? Yes people are still living in turn of the century conditions around the world and they will sadly be hit the hardest by this but I do hope we will share in our technology and give some aid. I know it's not going to be enough. It never is espcially in our classist society but still I pray we will reach out to those in need.
post #28 of 481
What symptoms are different than the regular flu?
post #29 of 481
From what I've read the symptoms are very similar to regular ole human flu. Anyone with flu-like symptoms is urged to go to the doc where swine flu would have to be diagnosed/confirmed by lab testing.
post #30 of 481
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Originally Posted by grahamsmom98 View Post
Geez, another slow news week. They have to use these few deaths, worldwide to generate fears?? (Or, to distract the public from other things going on in the world...)

Pandemic? Oh, please......

Geez, remember all those dire warnings about the possibility of an avian flu epidemic after the relatively few cases of same were reported in Asia not too long ago? Remember all those dire warnings about the possibility of an anthrax epidemic after the white-powder-in-envelopes terrorism not too long ago? Remember all those warnings about the possibility of a measles epidemic after the few cases of same were reported in the mid-west not too long ago? Pardon the pun, but those whole scenarios died out, didn't they (but, gosh, they made for great news, for awhile).

I am sorry for those families that have been hit by this illness, I am. But, I'm not worried one bit about this flu or any other flu (in this country or any other). We don't get flu shots. We will not get flu shots, even in the face of an actual epidemic or pandemic (uh-oh, there's that word again). Those that would desire the vaccination will be happy to know there are 5 spare doses of vaccine available, courtesy of my family!

I have more concerns about things like the common Norwalk virus that hits elder care residences (nursing and assisted living homes), causing massive vomiting, diarrhea and dehydration.

Sexually-transmitted diseases are far more common than this (or, other types of) flu. Check out the CDC monthly reported cases of these.

People die from conditions related to obesity, diabetes and heart disease. But, these are so common that they aren't news-worthy anymore.

Same goes with the dangers of cigarettes and their danger to everyone. Why not demand the cessation of their production? Oh, yeah, that would violate people's right to personal pleasure (nevermind what it does to those around them) plus the tobacco lobby wouldn't permit it.

Yet, where is are the DAILY public health warnings about those on the networks newscasts?? Not exactly the stuff CNN leads their broadcasts with, hmmm? Afterall, who wants to hear about old people with vomiting and diarrhea. Or, the mantra about cigarette smoking being bad for you (obviously, nobody reads the small print on a pack before lighting up...)

The reports on the news are all about scare mongering. Keep the public frightened and they will do as they are told.

Looks like it's working.
I totally agree with this. Are the deaths in Darfur no longer garnering enough interest? Or is it that there are deaths occurring closer to home....closer to our clean sheets and warm clothes...I think that's the bigger issue.

I'm not invalidating that the flu can be serious. But it seems like people only give a rats rear end when it's coming too close to civilized society for comfort. Thousands of people die daily from malnutrition and diseases. When will we panic about THAT?
post #31 of 481
I am nervous about this as well, we're in Mass, right next to NY.. actually, my father lives in (upsate, country) NY ... I guess all I can do is stay away from crowds, continue to eat well and BF DD, and be super strict about hand washing!
post #32 of 481
Yeah this is scary to me, especially considering the high school closed down in TX due to swine flu is like a mile from my IL's house...needless to say DH did not go over there to help them with their lawn this morning. We are pretty much sequestering ourselves this weekend. I am sending DH to go grocery shopping soon, hopefully he will be fine as long as no one breathes on him!

I don't think I'd be nearly as worried about this if I weren't pregnant. If more cases/ worse cases show up I am definitely staying home from work this week...luckily I can work from home.
post #33 of 481
It's freaking me out too, I live in New York City. DS has a cough, which freaks me out too, but we all had colds last week and he has no fever and has a big appetite, so I presume it's just the lingering cough post cold.

I've been debating keeping DD out of school, but we can't not go anywhere! I mean, we could, I guess, because I can get groceries delivered and we could stay inside and play games and stuff. But... I would need to cancel the sitter for who knows how long, DD would miss her first school field trip that she's very excited about, DH will decidedly not stay home from work so he'll be around all the people at work anyway, and I can't see not doing the library, swim time, or playground for weeks on end.
post #34 of 481
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Originally Posted by henny penny View Post
From what I've read the symptoms are very similar to regular ole human flu. Anyone with flu-like symptoms is urged to go to the doc where swine flu would have to be diagnosed/confirmed by lab testing.
Hmmm... we seem to have a stomach bug here and as far as I have read the swine flu is more respiratory? Am I right or totally off?
post #35 of 481
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Originally Posted by magstphil View Post
Hmmm... we seem to have a stomach bug here and as far as I have read the swine flu is more respiratory? Am I right or totally off?
The "stomach flu" is not at all the same thing as influenza. Influenza A, B, swine, bird, seasonal, etc. is all respiratory... I mean, you *can* vomit I suppose, but influenza involves the respiratory system and is generally not focused on the gastrointestinal system. The term "stomach flu" is a bit of a misnomer.
post #36 of 481
Sometimes fear will overcome the basic facts regarding disease transmission. Viruses, of any kind, do not survive from without. Diseases evolve from within, such as when the host becomes unhealthy, or when the host has been inoculated with the physiologic evidence of the disease, intentionally (vaccines).
post #37 of 481
I switch from being super worried to feeling not so concerned about this. We are in NY. I have a 5y old and a 16m old. My work has me in close contanct with children and my husband is a college professor. All I can say is that there are a lot of people who have probably been exposed to the swine flu who have not fallen ill, or were only mildly ill, or got really sick....but then got better. The take home message for me is 1) handwash 2) eat/sleep well 3) seek medical attention at the first sign of a flu.

Actually, I was really sick 2 weeks ago (Easter weekend). I had a chest cold with a fever that got pretty high for me (102-103). I went right into the dr who said he had been seeing a lot of "stubborn" respiratory issues. He prescribed me a z-pac and had me start on asmanex (inhaled powdered steroid) b/c the previous 2 times I've had a chest cold it's progressed to wheezing and gotten pretty bad. I was quite sick for a good 4-5 days. The following weekend Dd ran a very high fever for 24 hours and then was fine. This week the same happened with ds. FWIW, a child I worked with the previous week was sick and had recently returned from a spring break family vaca in Mexico/FL.

When this swine situation came about dh joked that he hoped I had it, and that the kids had mild cases and now we can all carry on. That, in some strange way, was comforting to me. We can all bunker down and hide away....but there is a chance that each and every one of us is currently harboring immunity.
post #38 of 481
I live in the TX county that closed all schools for the week thanks to 3 high school kids being diagnosed. I'm not real excited about the idea of DH or I missing a week of work, but I'm not sure I want my kids in daycare right now. We just got over week 3 of the stomach bug (absolutely brought home from day care) and we're sick of being sick.

Still not sure what to do...came here looking for non-scare-tactic info.
post #39 of 481
It seems like the fear must be creeping further north here in Mexico. Yesterday seemed to be mostly business as usual for a Saturday. Today, my street is dead - usually, even on Sundays, there are tons of gas and water trucks driving up and down my street playing their songs and honking their horns for customers, as well as cars driving by announcing the latest deals at local restaraunts, tamale, churro, and ice cream carts, etc. I haven't heard a gas truck go buy in hours, I've seen very few neighbors out walking, etc. I was going to walk to the store with the kids for bread, but decided to stay home and eat tortillas instead. I was going to take my kids to the bike track to let my son ride around, but thought better of it. I'm driving to San Diego tomorrow, and I'm considering calling the kids' doctor to see if it's possible to get rxs for them for Tamiflu to have on hand in case there are border closures that make it hard for us to get to her. I'm probably also going to stop at costco to stock up on a few things. If I ever see a water truck again, I think I'm going to stop one and by a few extra 400L bottles to have on hand. It will be interesting to see if normal levels of activity here resume tomorrow or not.
post #40 of 481
Ok i am totally trying to not freak out here, but im in Texas, and i have a "cold" that i cant get rid of. I have had it for about 4 days now.....you dont think its anything to freak out about right? Im just being crazy?
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