Bovine TB and Typhoid in raw milk.

[eirual]

DH is on a mission to understand the inner workings of raw milk, and after talking to the folks at the market (we're in Ontario and raw milk or raw milk products are illegal) got kinda put-off from the whole idea. When I talked with another market vendor they said much of the same stuff....salmonella, TB, you'll get sick, yada yada.

He began his search here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_milk and his main concern/question at this point is about the TB and Typhoid that are present in raw milk. Samonella he's not too concerned about since good quality raw milk likely doesn't have it, but the two things listed above are allegedly present in all raw milk?

Honestly, I'm not sure what scientific knowledge I can give him (he's becoming a bit of a chemistry-buff these days). Any sites/info he should check out?

[eirual]

I also mentioned to him the thinking of weighing the benefits and the risks. Any scientific evidence of the proven pros that I could point him in the direction of?

[zander]

Hi Laurie. New here. Stumbled upon MDC in my searches on 'raw milk' topics a few days ago. I'm in southern Ontario as well and only recently discovered that raw milk is 'outlawed' here. I'm amazed that a progressive country such as ours is so backwardly repressive. I've been trying to find a farm source for raw goat's milk at least.

On the topic of TB and Typhoid in raw milk, as well as other so called negatives, I would refer your husband to the following piece of literature:

The Untold Story of Milk - Ron Schmid

Ask him to have a look at the amazon reviews lower down on that page, then maybe to google the book's title for more feedback, so that he can form his own opinion over time. My local library had a copy of this book when I just checked, so yours might too.

Good luck!

[AJP]

Definitely get The Untold Story of Milk, it's one of the most thorough and balanced treatments I've read of the history of pasteurization and the ins and outs of raw milk.

Raw milk can only contain TB or typhoid of the cow has those diseases. To say all raw milk contains them is absolutely not true. You can't get a disease from a cow that the cow doesn't have. I'd never drink the raw milk that public "health" people are talking about when they list all the nasties in it. Milk from industrial, confinement dairies where the cows are fed all kinds of things unnatural for cows and kept in unnatural conditions is indeed unsafe to consume unpasteurized, but milk from cows living a clean, natural life and eating a species-appropriate diet, with great care taken in the handling of the milk, is a completely different story. There is so much more to the raw milk issue than that Wikipedia page (no surprise there), and the Ron Schmid book is a great place to start.

[eirual]

Thanks, he did come across some of Schmidt's stuff, but felt he was very one-sided (i.e. listed all the positives, but didn't adress the potential negatives) perhaps the book vs. an article or website will be more in depth. I'll add that to my next amazon order!

[springmum]

Originally Posted by zander

Hi Laurie. New here. Stumbled upon MDC in my searches on 'raw milk' topics a few days ago. I'm in southern Ontario as well and only recently discovered that raw milk is 'outlawed' here. I'm amazed that a progressive country such as ours is so backwardly repressive. I've been trying to find a farm source for raw goat's milk at least.

On the topic of TB and Typhoid in raw milk, as well as other so called negatives, I would refer your husband to the following piece of literature:

The Untold Story of Milk - Ron Schmid

Ask him to have a look at the amazon reviews lower down on that page, then maybe to google the book's title for more feedback, so that he can form his own opinion over time. My local library had a copy of this book when I just checked, so yours might too.

Good luck!

I'm in the same area searching for raw goat's milk.
I guess we would want the same for goats, no grains, grass fed as much as possible.
Maybe if he was able to go visit a farm with raw milk he could see it for himself and ask questions? This is my plan when I find someone (hopefully soon!)

[Jimibell]

Please invest in reading Ron Schmid's book. He has done such extensive research into the topic. I guess you could say he is one-sided but what book/writer isn't? Without an agenda it's kind of hard to write a book. But there are pages and pages of back-up research in the book that you can look into.

[momtoalexsarah]

All cattle can be tested for both TB and Typhiod. If I'm not mistaken the most well know raw milk farmer here in Ontario Michele Schmidt has his animals tested anualy for these dieases, even though there has not been case of either diesease in Ontario in a very very long time.

We drink the milk from our beef cows if I need to milk one (I try to avoid this though - they have more attidude then a dairy cow and it takes more effort to get a little milk) and I don't worry about any of that stuff.

[Mamatoabunch]

We milk our own cow and have no worries. Most farms test yearly, but if there hasn't been TB known then they may not. In depends greatly on each state.

[Jimibell]

Ron Schmid even questions whether or not there was TB in the milk and there were very few typhoid cases confirmed as well. And this was when they were milking cows with little or now sanitary precautions and the cows were fed the swill from inner-city whiskey distilleries. There was a lot of cow and horse waste all over the place where the cows were kept. They were pretty disgusting (although where dairy cows are kept these days is not much better).

If you decide not to drink raw milk I recommend you don't drink any milk at all. There are all sorts of issues with pasteurized milk.

[zander]

Originally Posted by Jimibell

If you decide not to drink raw milk I recommend you don't drink any milk at all. There are all sorts of issues with pasteurized milk.

I second the above, as that's the approach I've taken. Just because I'm having a hard time finding raw milk here, doesn't mean I have to compensate with the ([good]bacteria-)dead white swill that they pass off as milk in the local supermarket coolers.

Originally Posted by springmum

I'm in the same area searching for raw goat's milk.
I guess we would want the same for goats, no grains, grass fed as much as possible.

That's right, no grains, just grass and lots of walks on the beach... I mean grass.

[springmum]

Originally Posted by zander

I second the above, as that's the approach I've taken. Just because I'm having a hard time finding raw milk here, doesn't mean I have to compensate with the ([good]bacteria-)dead white swill that they pass off as milk in the local supermarket coolers.



That's right, no grains, just grass and lots of walks on the beach... I mean grass.

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[Sasha_girl]

Originally Posted by Mamatoabunch

We milk our own cow and have no worries.

This, although our cow has been tested for TB.