Ooops! I posted and jetted, again. It happens. Thanks for replying, everyone!
Since I got that anti-capitalism post out, I've made headway on my businesses. I have 3 main ones: life coach (of sorts, more of a telephone cheering squad who also offers clear perspective when needed), continuing to offer my parenting classes, and becoming a fortune teller at farmers markets. ;) That last one is simply for the fun of it. Also, I've taken my jewelry-making to another level and have my first order!
I worked for non-profits. It's not my thing. I was a community organizer for a bit here in CA and I found it highly depressing after a while. So many "progressives" are not as spiritually progressive as I need in order to be around them all day. I don't want my daily life (and the daily life of my baby, who is with me where ever I work since she's been born) surrounded by anger and war mentalities. Got burnt out really quickly with that. Not enough love in the industry...and it *is* an industry. So, I just pushed myself (b/c why be my own impediment any longer?) and made some progress. I'm really proud of myself!
Also, since I'm a writer, I've written a couple of pieces that I want to submit, but now I just need to find the gumption for all that. ;) One step at a time. I'm walking, no matter how slowly.
Now, to something a bit more controversial, huh?
Originally Posted by Toposlonoshlep
I want to introduce another perspective on the issue, one of a woman who is pro-life, but considers herself to be very involved with women's rights. I don't call myself a feminist (because I believe that the feminism of the 70s is dead, unfortunately, and because I don't like "isms" or "ists" in general), but I do make life decisions based on my awareness of patriarchal schemes and historical control. Now, back to the issue at hand. Although I consider myself to be a liberal on other political issues, the reason I never belonged to a political party is that there is one issue I just don't agree with. And this is it. Have you ever considered that the people who are pro-life (other than the religious nuts who are..well, extremists) may feel this way for reasons other than they don't think that what a woman does with her body and life should be up to her? I certainly believe that. But my conflict is that I feel that from the moment a child is conceived (actually, possibly even before that if you consider my spiritual inclinations) it is a human being. It is a person, an innocent being, that just HAPPENS to need a body within which to develop enough to be born. The theory that it is a woman's body is lost on me, as it is not a woman's arm, leg, ear, or fingernail. It is a separate being brought into existence residing INSIDE the woman. To me, killing a baby (and to me, a baby is a baby from the day it is conceived regardless of whether you call it a zygote, embryo, or fetus. Those are scientific names for a child in a certain stage of development. Saying it is not yet a human is like saying a 5 year old is not yet a human because she is not as developed as a 7 year old.) is murder. It doesn't make a difference to me whether you stab a person in front of you or within you, just like it doesn't make a difference how old the person is. I don't mean any disrespect, and I don't want to bring judgement into it. Just wanted to offer my views and possibly another perspective since you said you couldn't understand. Abortion, as I see it, is not a right, no more than murder is. It has nothing to do with feminism ro self-empowerment. It is a separate issue and I wish people would remove it from bundles of political views which have thus far guided our country on it typical path. Peace!
Hi! Thanks for sharing your perspective with me. I hear you, I understand what you're saying, I still don't understand the mentality. I'll explain more further.
Originally Posted by Adaline'sMama
As far as I am aware, MDC does not host abortion debates, for good reason. The last thing I want to hear on the 4th anniversary of my abortion is you calling me a murderer.
I'm sorry you felt that way, Adaline's Mama. I hope my actions right now are not dredging up more emotional pain for you, but I do want to address the post since it was addressed to me. I don't think she was calling you a murderer. I think the problem with discussing things like this is that we take personal what people say about our choices. Never take anything anyone says personal. Even if it's about you! People speak of and for themselves, only. Even when we call ourselves advocating for others, we are speaking for ourselves. Much love!
Originally Posted by Mama Soltera
Oops, I forgot to add that my point in talking about "her body" is to say that it is the right of no one but her to decide if she is willing and able to put her body through all of that. Forcing a woman to do it would be a crime, imo.
I totally agree. In a society such as ours, where women are still considered and treated as property (of a man, of the state, whatever), this liberty we have to create our lives the way we'd like to (as much as it is possible) is an important one. I actually think that religions that impose beliefs about what a woman's life and body are for (the family, to procreate, etc.) are passing on an abusive message. More on that below.
Originally Posted by Toposlonoshlep
I don't expect people to accept anything they don't feel comfortable with. I am sorry my opinion seems extreme and that it hurts people's feelings, but it is my genuine opinion, just as pro-choice is yours. I find pro-choice beliefs to be inaccurate, hurtful, and upsetting. But I live with the legality of abortion daily. That's the beauty of opinions. They CAN'T be inaccurate.That's the beauty of America, as well. We have differences of points of view. I was offering another perspective in regards to how SOME (myself included) may consider themselves to be feminists without sharing the popular feminist abortion view. I disagree that a blastocyst and a young embryo are extremely different from a toddler. That is not what I believe spiritually. By nature, my spiritual/intellectual beliefs are right for me. They may not be for you. I wasn't trying to convert anyone to them. I was stating them to make it clear how a pro-life feminist views the topic. I respect you and your point of view and did not want to hurt anyone's feelings. I was just being honest. I didn't say what you assert in the last two sentences, so I don't feel I need to defend it.
I am not going to debate your own beliefs with you unless you want me to. hahaa! I will suggest, though, that when we think of life on a more spiritual note (as I do, as well), wouldn't we agree that a spirit is NOT a body and can inhabit another body, therefore making the body non-vital to life, from a spiritual perspective when we are talking about when life begins, etc.?
For instance, I know my kids hung around me before they invaded (haha!) my body. I invited a few of them in, actually. So, I jest by saying "invaded". Because I know spirit exists outside of the material realm, I don't have to worry if I decide I am not willing to create the opportunity for a spirit to come into the world/material life through my body. I can speak with spirit and ask for understanding about my feelings.
I think to act like it is my responsibility to host a life I am not willing and/or ready to support represents a lack of understanding about how life works on the spiritual level. Physical life is a privilege and an honor and a choice. That is my spiritual belief. As such, I am not beholden to offer anyone the opportunity to become my child. And, spirit understands. That is the point of free will. One of them, anyway.
To say abortion is murder is to need to explain who is at fault for miscarriages. Both are abortions, technically. One spontaneous, the other not so spontaneous. It is so easy to blame a woman, but who gets blamed otherwise? If we look through time, we can see that women used to get blamed for both. We can see that they sometimes still are. When we teach women that it is their sacred duty and position to bring life into the world, miscarriage can carry a LOT of weight to the spirits of the women who have them. Hence a society full of women who never quite heal from whatever pregnancy outcome they had.
It is enough that women want to have babies. We don't need spiritual beliefs to indoctrinate a level of fear into something that is a biological happening. Women are entitled to feel however they want about what happens in their lives. We don't need legal systems that infringe upon their opportunities to be able to feel however they want to feel about what happens in their lives.
And, that is why I am pro-choice. Because I don't get to decide for you what spiritual and emotional path your life takes. That is your right and I respect that. So, I will not vote for a lack of options in your life. Which is what pro-life legislature, which stems from pro-life beliefs, does. It lessens the spiritual and emotional options in a woman's life.
Are you telling me that your spirituality supports limiting the spiritual and emotional options in people's lives? Maybe it does. I cannot relate or understand, if so, and that's okay with me. I understand religions having rules for folks to adhere to. Sometimes, we spiritually expand best within material limitations. For a time. But, if I look at the Big Picture, I see that God always seems to say, "You have free will."
Because of that, I will not be okay with telling a woman she has no free will when her egg invites in some sperm.