God's sacrifice- I just don't see it that way - Page 3

[holyhelianthus]

Originally Posted by HennyPenny

true,

but Christ never instructed us to be "christian", he instructed us to be "christ like". to follow him. we gave it the name. it's the intent, purpose and drive that define what it is... not the name or desire to associate with a religious group.

Yup!

[genifer]

am I wrong in thinking that the word 'christian' was originally meant to be an insult? It mean's 'little-Christ' but was given to the 'movement' by nonbelievers... wasnt it? Ill have to look that up.

ot...sorry

[bella_stranger]

these topics are great, but are really hard for me to write about as i am a former christian.... i really don't want to offend anyone, you know!? it can be a very sensitive topic.

for the OP, here is a blog i found with a post about the whole sacrifice thing, it might be of interest to you..... http://debunkingchristianity.blogspo...-of-jesus.html

(a reference to spartacus in here, i though that was pretty interesting--what an intense movie!!!)

[Kidzaplenty]

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[1hautemama]

Originally Posted by bella_stranger

these topics are great, but are really hard for me to write about as i am a former christian.... i really don't want to offend anyone, you know!? it can be a very sensitive topic.

for the OP, here is a blog i found with a post about the whole sacrifice thing, it might be of interest to you..... http://debunkingchristianity.blogspo...-of-jesus.html

(a reference to spartacus in here, i though that was pretty interesting--what an intense movie!!!)

Hi, Bella. I wouldn't worry so much about offending, since this forum is intended for debate. I will definitley check out the blog you recommended.

[beansmama]

Originally Posted by magstphil

I think of it this way- it wasn't Jesus' death but rather the amount of suffering he had to endure to atone for our sins. Could you imagine being a parent having to watch that? He felt all of our pain at once and couldn't be relieved of it. It hurts me (and also humbles me and makes me grateful) just to think about it and he's not even my son.

Well, according to christianity, God IS Jesus - therefore he's not really his father. You can't be both. So really, God put himself on loan - to get some attention. Not really a sacrifice, IMO.

If God does actually exist, which i strongly believe he does not, then the act of the crucifixion was a self righteous one.

Who's God trying to impress?

[beansmama]

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[holyhelianthus]

Originally Posted by beansmama

Well, according to christianity, God IS Jesus - therefore he's not really his father. You can't be both. So really, God put himself on loan - to get some attention. Not really a sacrifice, IMO.

If God does actually exist, which i strongly believe he does not, then the act of the crucifixion was a self righteous one.

Who's God trying to impress?

Not all followers of Christ believe that Christ and God are one in the same. Then again some Christians believe that is what makes one (I am LDS so Mormons in this case) not Christian so I guess you just have to take that perspective or leave it.

As for the rest it seems you are looking at it in very black and white terms. Can there be no other reason for God/Christ/Anyone to sacrifice themselves besides personal gain? The only way that line of thought seems to work is if you don't take into account Christ's mission at all.

[Dr.Worm]

Originally Posted by magstphil

Not all followers of Christ believe that Christ and God are one in the same. Then again some Christians believe that is what makes one (I am LDS so Mormons in this case) not Christian so I guess you just have to take that perspective or leave it.

As for the rest it seems you are looking at it in very black and white terms. Can there be no other reason for God/Christ/Anyone to sacrifice themselves besides personal gain? The only way that line of thought seems to work is if you don't take into account Christ's mission at all.

I am a Jehovah's Witness and I don't believe they are the same person.

[1hautemama]

Originally Posted by Dr.Worm

I am a Jehovah's Witness and I don't believe they are the same person.

I attended services in the Kingdom Hall from the ages of 9-11 yrs and recall the idea of the tri-une rejected. I actually preferred the idea of seperate identities as far as the son/father/and holy ghost...I could just never get myself to believe any of it...period.