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post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Can anyone relate to this? One minute I was pregnant, planning a homebirth, and a few insanely chaotic hours later I'm unpregnant after an emergency c-section. I didn't see my daughter for more than 24 hours. She didn't cry at all at birth, I couldn't see her being born or being worked on, none of the practitioners who were there ever came to talk me. Its really weird. I was there, but I missed the whole thing. Its like someone else gave birth to my child. I don't feel like I really even did give birth. She was so tiny and her placenta was so tiny I barely bled, and I went from pregnant to skinny in less than a week. Someone else bathed her and diapered her the first time. She's 3 weeks old and I still forget sometimes that I'm not pregnant. And I have no baby at home to care for either which is even more weird. Its strange how the whole birth experience gives closure to a pregnancy and I'm not sure how to process this feeling of no closure.

Any insight?
post #2 of 27
AppleCrisp, I can relate even though my experience was a little different. I was on hospital bedrest after my membranes ruptured (28w 2d). After 10 days they sent me home on antepartum home visits. Less than 48 hours after leaving the hospital I was back there in labour. I also was planning a (water)birth with a midwife. When you have a preemie you lose control. I am a very organized person and like to be in control. That all diaspeared after going into labour prematurely and having a babe in three hospitals for 58 days.

I found that some days were harder than others. When my firends were visiting my son in the NICU I told them that I have to sit down since I was on bedrest. I was not pregnant anymore but it was hard to understand it. I felt a lot of guilt: about not being able to keep him safe for longer; maybe I did something to make it happen; needing an epi for his birth; and not being able to produce milk until the third day.

Having a preemie is very difficult and we have a higher chance of PPD. We leave our babies in the hospital and go home alone. Others either congradulate us, but I dismissed it since I did not feel like a mom yet, or do not know what to say. I have had some family members say the most insensitive things that I wanted to abandon my family. It is certainly a difficult journey. And that is why we have a forum like this.
post #3 of 27
Thread Starter 
Its funny you say that, every time someone says "Congratulations," I immediately think for what? Of course I'm glad to have my baby alive but I just don't feel like celebrating. And I feel bad because of that, she deserves to be welcomed and celebrated, but I don't know when or how that is going to happen.
post #4 of 27
I'm with you. Mine was born at 31w6d, although she measured more like 28w. I had preeclampsia and IUGR and didn't even know. So it was the shock of my life....

I've finally gotten to the point where I don't cry when I see a preggo lady.

That being said, today I cried when I saw the dopple heart monitor we rented...

And it's so hard to leave her in the NICU...

although tonight she weighs 2lb 14oz!!!
post #5 of 27
I was given general for my c-section, so I went to sleep pregnant and woke up and my baby was gone. For the first few hours, I would forget that she wasn't inside.
post #6 of 27
Yeah, it stinks. One of my friends warned me to mourn the loss- the normal delivery, the bonding, the breastfeeding, the healthy baby. It is never right to leave the hospital without your baby and that is a loss. My son was born at 35 weeks and frickin HUGE so I still looked pg. I had a NICU grandma ask me when I was due- but we'll excuse her since her two grandsons were ill! I took my older two a children's musem and the director asked how I was feeling, etc ... but when I explained she shared with me her son was a 32 weeker 30+ years ago.
post #7 of 27
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Originally Posted by musiclady View Post
I'm with you. Mine was born at 31w6d, although she measured more like 28w. I had preeclampsia and IUGR and didn't even know. So it was the shock of my life....

I've finally gotten to the point where I don't cry when I see a preggo lady.

That being said, today I cried when I saw the dopple heart monitor we rented...

And it's so hard to leave her in the NICU...

although tonight she weighs 2lb 14oz!!!
Same here.....pre eclampsia with IUGR. It was a huge shock. I STILL cry when I see pregnant people. I feel mad at them. And the whole time I was in the hospital I could hear monitors with fetal heartbeats beating away while people were in labor...it made me so sad. Our hospital has this thing where when they admit a newborn, they play a little lullaby over the PA system, so all these parents in the NICU have to listen to it a few times every day and it just reminds me how much I missed out on. I HATE leaving her every day...today her nurse was totally in outer space, and now I'll be up all night worrying that she'll have an apnea episode and the nurse will be off playing on the computer.
post #8 of 27
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Originally Posted by AppleCrisp View Post
Same here.....pre eclampsia with IUGR. It was a huge shock. I STILL cry when I see pregnant people. I feel mad at them. And the whole time I was in the hospital I could hear monitors with fetal heartbeats beating away while people were in labor...it made me so sad. Our hospital has this thing where when they admit a newborn, they play a little lullaby over the PA system, so all these parents in the NICU have to listen to it a few times every day and it just reminds me how much I missed out on. I HATE leaving her every day...today her nurse was totally in outer space, and now I'll be up all night worrying that she'll have an apnea episode and the nurse will be off playing on the computer.
Applecrisp, I FEEL YA. Here's what I cried about: hearing mamas in their rooms with their newborns crying. How unfair. The whole situation basically sucked. I didn't know I was sick. What did I do to cause it? (Nothing) Why couldn't she still be cooking inside me? Why did they TAKE my baby? Sometimes I'm still not over that one- it's like they took her. Instead of me delivering, they TOOK her. But we're getting better on that.

Here's what I learned after one bad experience in the NICU. If you don't like what your nurse is doing, you have a few options. Ask to see the charge nurse (the one in charge for the evening) and express your concerns. If you don't get the answer you need, you can go to the director of the nursing of the NICU. I didn't actually do this- I complained to the doctor who was outraged and went to the director of nursing. The DON came and found me **in the pump room** and had a consultation with me while I was pumping. Embarrassing!!!

BUT- the DON basically hopped on her broom and flew around that NICU so fast that it made the nurse's head spin. We'll just say that from then on we never had another experience like that. The DON told me to follow the channels above, and also that you have the right to ask that a certain nurse NOT be your baby's nurse. Sounds like you might be more comfortable doing that?

And you can call the nursery any time, day or night to check on your LO. I have called often. I feel better getting to know the nurse. We visit twice a day, so we see both shifts. Tonight the nurse was saying that many moms call during the night while they're pumping just to check up. If that would make you feel better, put the number in your speed dial so you don't have to search for it. I have three NICU numbers (for the three different levels of NICU at the hospital) in my phone. I also have the hospital shuttle service in my phone for those days that you just can't find a parking space close. Comes in handy.

But what you are feeling is normal- or at least, I hope it's normal. Because I feel it too. It's like going through the grieving process. Denial, anger, bargaining, acceptance, blah blah blah. I have my angry days, and I have my depressed days. And then there are days when I go in and she's gained 2 ounces, had no bradycardia/de-sat, no apnia, no nasal canula.... etc....

Still doesn't make it the same as having her here at home, but my husband has a great way of looking at it: Deal with today. At most, deal with today and tomorrow. Take this all in little chunks because trying to look at the big picture is just more than your heart can handle. And it's true. I usually break down the most when I am looking past today/tomorrow.

Keep posting- I'll keep checking.

Best of luck. We can do this- and we dont' have to do it by ourselves.

Nice to meet you, even under sucky circumstances.
post #9 of 27
It's totally normal. Allow yourself to grieve, but don't let it keep you from enjoying your baby! I totally understand the "not fair" feelings. DD wasn't a preemie, she had a birth defect that in about 90-95% of cases is able to be surgically fixed after birth and the babies get better, go home, and don't have any issues. DD is in the other 5%. She was in the hospital initially for 4 months and 8 days, they let us out for the weekend, and we flew to Boston where she was admitted for another 10 days. So of her 5 1/2 months, she has spent about 4 1/2 months in the hospital. I often felt that it wasn't fair, when I would meet parents who were there with preemies, and their teeny tiny babies would get better and go home, and we were still there. We spent Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's, Valentine's Day, and St. Patrick's Day in the hospital. She was 8 days old before I got to hold her for the first time, she had her first bath at about 10 days old, and when she was 2 weeks old (Thanksgiving) she got chest tubes and we weren't allowed to hold her anymore until they were out (which took about 2 weeks). She had a breathing tube her whole first month.
It's probably kind of an unconventional approach, but honestly what helped me was knowing there were cases that were worse, there were babies who were much sicker than DD, and kids who would have life-long issues. Faith's stuff was scary for awhile, but knowing there were others who were worse (and reading their parents' stories) was an inspiration to me to persevere.
post #10 of 27
I saw your post via "New Posts" and wanted to respond.

I'm coming up on the seven-year anniversary of my hospital admission for P-PROM at 30 weeks. I also wanted a homebirth, and had absolutely no problems until the day I went to the hospital. One week later I had complications and she was taken out via C-section. She was in NICU for four weeks (mostly for feeding/growing). Born at 3# 7 oz, came home at 4# 8 oz.

But it probably took me a full month to realize that I wasn't pregnant anymore! It happened so fast, even after being in the hospital for a week. I had planned on being so much more involved in my child's birth and all I did in the process was lie there, groan during some contractions and say "yes" to a section. Someone else was caring for my baby ... I almost didn't feel like "mama" for the first few days until I finally got a chance to hold her.

What helped me and DH was to get very involved in her day-to-day care as her status improved. We made sure we changed her clothes, changed her diaper, gave her a bath, held her, sang to her. OK, we didn't get to do it first, but we were going to be her parents and take care of her as much as possible, darnit!

HTH a little, and post here as much as you want ... that's why we have these forums!
post #11 of 27
Thread Starter 
Just wondering, do your partners understand your feelings at all? I'm not sure DH does...obviously, since he isn't the one who didn't give birth and has no idea what its like to have a c-section or struggle so hard to nurse a tiny baby and pump constantly. He was away when it happened, and missed the whole thing. Not to mention the huge question hanging over my head, which is, will I ever be able to have more children? Not that I necessarily want to, but being told I can't or shouldn't is kind of devastating. He's really helpful, and involved, but the emotional part of it, he's oblivious.
post #12 of 27
My family did not understand at all. My DH and mom were both like "The baby is here and he's doing okay, don't think about that other stuff!"

It helped me to read the book Rebounding from Childbirth.

It does get better but I really think it is something that is always going to be with us.
post #13 of 27
AppleCrisp, emotionally oblivious is what my husband was/is. He did not have the hormones and the baby did not come from his body. He did not have to feel all the guilt associated with preterm labour and failed breastfeeding.
post #14 of 27
Hi AppleCrisp I think we are in the same DDC.

I also had preeclampsia with IUGR but I had 3 weeks of bed rest to process the whole thing, not that I thought I would go to 34 weeks I always thought I would get to 37 weeks. I have similar emotions of wishing I could have gone to the end, feeling like I missed out on all of Liam's firsts and sad that I was so groggy the first 24 hrs not able to hold him. I could go on and on. You have pretty much described it in your original post. Thanks for posting.

It is funny how people think I should feel lucky to have him early when really I feel sad that I didn't get the "full" experience. I am trying to not let it hang over me. I just wanted to say I feel the same way and I guess it must be normal if we all feel the same.

My kids are home now so I have to go. Thanks for posting.

PS don't get me started on the nurses!!! I did ask for a new nurse one day and made a formal complaint.
post #15 of 27
I know how you feel. My baby came 9 weeks early by c-section. You really feel robbed of the beauty of Child Birth. And not getting to hold them right away is even harder. I got to give a kiss before he was taken to the NICU. But I did get up and go to him 4 hours later. I lied and said I could feel my toes(NOTHING was going to stop me from getting to him). It was funny, my husband held my hand so the nurse could not see him supporting me, ha ha... we immediately got a wheel chair.
And don't watch BABY STORY, that darn show makes me feel even worse. You see all these mothers who get to hold and breast feed their babies right away. JEALOUS is what I am in that matter. But I am ever so happy that he is now almost 2 years old and OHHHH how I love him.
post #16 of 27
It does get better eventually. Bringing my DD home helped me a lot, but her first birthday was difficult emotionally. I did go to therapy for a while, and it did help some. After two years, I'm mostly OK, but I still get mad about how things went for us (severe pre-e with days of separation).
post #17 of 27
s:

A C-section when you wanted a vaginal birth feels disappointing even if it had been at term. I had to mourn the c-section / non-vaginal birth of my son. Anger, sadness, bargaining, the whole nine yards.
post #18 of 27
I totally hear you about being angry/mad/upset with pg people. I'm glad I was stuck home for several months with Georgie when he was younger and I still had major issues. I think I would have knocked someone out if I heard them complain about being overdue, term, planning an induction for convience, etc.

My sister is pg. It's a long story but she wasn't planning it. I'm like, Dude, you are MARRIED. You had S EX. You got pg. And the shock here is? She's having a normal pg and, from all the stuff she says about her hospital birth she's planning (no this, no that, blah, blah, blah) I want to shake her. Sometimes I feel like telling her, You are dang LUCKY to be able to refuse all that. And if you end up on xyz, what does it matter as long as the baby comes HOME with you?!

I sometimes feel very jelous that she didn't even want her baby and she gets "normal" whereas I wanted my son very much and I get the PROM, NICU and flashbacks. Her baby shower is coming up and I pray I can make it through.

But then I have moments when I know I will be okay. I took my kids shopping for a baby pressie for their new cousin and found the perfect gifts from the kids! I am getting excited to be an auntie for the first time and help the host set up the shower. However, I am the only one in the group who has had a preemie, so I doubt anyone will understand if I randomly start crying...
post #19 of 27
applecrisp - i think you're touching on just about every part of the rollercoaster ride!!! it's vast, and truly, i think you have to have btdt to really get it.

you will get through. but being able to voice all these concerns and worries and intense feelings is so important along the way.

post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by waldenmommy View Post
I totally hear you about being angry/mad/upset with pg people. I'm glad I was stuck home for several months with Georgie when he was younger and I still had major issues. I think I would have knocked someone out if I heard them complain about being overdue, term, planning an induction for convience, etc.

My sister is pg. It's a long story but she wasn't planning it. I'm like, Dude, you are MARRIED. You had S EX. You got pg. And the shock here is? She's having a normal pg and, from all the stuff she says about her hospital birth she's planning (no this, no that, blah, blah, blah) I want to shake her. Sometimes I feel like telling her, You are dang LUCKY to be able to refuse all that. And if you end up on xyz, what does it matter as long as the baby comes HOME with you?!

I sometimes feel very jelous that she didn't even want her baby and she gets "normal" whereas I wanted my son very much and I get the PROM, NICU and flashbacks. Her baby shower is coming up and I pray I can make it through.

But then I have moments when I know I will be okay. I took my kids shopping for a baby pressie for their new cousin and found the perfect gifts from the kids! I am getting excited to be an auntie for the first time and help the host set up the shower. However, I am the only one in the group who has had a preemie, so I doubt anyone will understand if I randomly start crying...
sounds similar to the conversation DH and I had last night. SS is 20 and accidentally knocked up his GF... LONG AND IRRITATING STORY. And I got PO'ed last night to still see the US picture on the fridge (I had to take mine down because it just was too fresh). I was ranting about him having a baby he doesn't even want, most likely will try to treat like a puppy, and the likelihood that he will be a term baby that goes home with his mom from the hospital.

And here we are with a baby we longed for, planned for, and cherish. Who is still in the hospital... But really, I know that was all brought on by looking at the calendar where I had optimistically marked "35 weeks" when Lilah came at 31w6d, knowing she should be inside me, and being upset about Pre-Eclampsia.

I think it's just grieving. And as weird as it sounds to an outsider, I think we do all have to go through that grieving thing. Yes, we had the chance to meet our sweet little one early. And I get to hold her instead of just carry her inside. I can actually see her little eyes look at me, she can practice sucking... but it's still a little hard to process. Even three weeks later.
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