Sorry for the dumb title. I'm still really..scarred and confused by the events that happened to us yesterday.
Background:
I am a so-called delayed vaxxer. I never wanted the MMR - it just seems unnecessary to vax for something I'm not afraid of. I have turned down all the obvious vax's (Chix Pox, Flu, etc) and REALLY delayed the rest.
My 4 year old had the 1st MMR at 2. I was hoping to delay the 2nd until she was 5, or maybe not get it at all. I have no idea why I gave in. My 2 year old has not had it at all. I have a gut feeling that both have already had exposure to measles (we live in Europe in a highly mixed community...lots of unvaxxed kids) or have even had mild forms of it anyways.
What happened:
Yesterday we had their 2 and 4 year check ups.
They gave my daughter the MMR. (FTR, it was "Priorix").
She was fine at first, a little mad at us, but seemed ok. She was smiling and looking forward to getting her little toy from the receptionist. Then as the doctor was packing up and i was packing up, she was standing near me and started whining a little. This may have been about 5 mins after the vax. She seemed a little pale (she always is). And then she started crying that her mouth hurt. I was trying to get the doctors attention but he was rushing out (as he always does, he practically refuses to sit and talk, and talks as he's walking away....). Then she started screaming that her mouth hurt and her lips looked white. He was already out of the room and into the receptionist area. My dd can be a little theatrical so I was trying to figure out what to make of it all and get his attention. I followed him and she followed me, and our nanny and my other daughter were in the waiting room and they saw us and came to the reception area as well. Our nanny kept asking him "is this the vaccination, how she is acting" and he said "no no, its fine".
Then we all looked at my daughter and she was WHITE WHITE. Her lips were completely devoid of colour and the receptionist said "thats not good, thats not normal, look at her" also trying to get the doctors attention.
Then my daughter collapsed. I ran over to her but the receptionist had picked her up and ran to the examination room and after that, its a bit hazy, but they stripped her down and started taking her vitals. I do not know what her vitals were, but her blood pressure was such that the doctor started to yell at his assistants to get this, get that. By this time, my daughter was white, extremely cold to touch (she felt hot she said) and in a cold sweat. Her eyes rolled back in her head and she was trying to cry but was obviously extremely weak and unresponsive. I thought she was dying.
They injected her with 150 mg of epinephrine and also cortisone. They didn't seem to know what they were doing and couldn't answer me when i asked what was going on or if she was going to be ok. They seemed as panicked and scared as I was and the doctors hands were shaking.
Then the ambulance came and we were taken to the children's hospital, about a 30 min drive away (normally in a car).
After a while, maybe halfway through the ambulance ride, she started to pink up again - she was admitted into the hospital for observation. After about 8 hours of observation, they discharged us. She is fine now, and even went to kindergarten this morning. But don't think i didn't sleep with her in my arms last night keeping one eye open on her all night long.
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Now the analysis.
Bear in mind, I am not working in my first language here. So a lot of this is translated, mistranslated and there could be a lot of miscommunications. This is why i am posting this now, to see if anyone can help me fill in the gaps or clarify.
I never got a straight answer on why this happened. At first they said she went into shock, and they were treating it as an anaphylactic shock. And that they would never know if it truly was or not. I also asked, ok, so is this an allergic reaction and they said no. They also said i should continue vaccinating (RIGHT.). Come to find out, that one of the things that the doctor told our nanny was that it was merely a circulation problem, and perhaps this was a psychological reaction. I cannot completely dismiss the circulation theory, because my daughter is like snow white - white white skin, often cold hands and gets woozy a lot. However, I can not believe the psychological part. She's a tough kid. She was fine after the needle, it was 5 minutes later when her mouth started to hurt that she started freaking out. I feel as if the events weren't properly conveyed from the doctors office to the ambulance doctor to the emergency room doctor.
I don't know what to make of this all. If we talk to them again, they will insist it was an anomaly, that it was a freak thing and had nothing to do with the contents of that vax. And it angers me, because i know it won't be reported anywhere AS a vaccination reaction. I have to wonder how often things like these happen and the data never gets recorded.
At any rate, I believe I am done vaxxing. They have had the so called "important ones" (i.e. Dipth, etc) and I don't think they need any more. If anyone wants to argue with me or convince me otherwise, feel free to PM. I am a scientist with a masters degree and up to now, I have solely considered refereed scientific data for things like this. But having this anecdotal incident occur, and the way my daughter looked on that table yesterday, I don't think its worth it. Obviously SOMETHING didn't agree with her, and all I kept thinking was "I can't get that shit out of her body now, its too late. I screwed up." I am completely conflicted now between my former scientific mind and the extreme love I have for my kids and trauma of watching something like that happen to one of them.
Thanks for reading and any input you might have. I've googled and checked the resources stickied here, but i have not seen a case or a reaction like this. I wish i had more answers or at least one other person that this happened to.
Background:
I am a so-called delayed vaxxer. I never wanted the MMR - it just seems unnecessary to vax for something I'm not afraid of. I have turned down all the obvious vax's (Chix Pox, Flu, etc) and REALLY delayed the rest.
My 4 year old had the 1st MMR at 2. I was hoping to delay the 2nd until she was 5, or maybe not get it at all. I have no idea why I gave in. My 2 year old has not had it at all. I have a gut feeling that both have already had exposure to measles (we live in Europe in a highly mixed community...lots of unvaxxed kids) or have even had mild forms of it anyways.
What happened:
Yesterday we had their 2 and 4 year check ups.
They gave my daughter the MMR. (FTR, it was "Priorix").
She was fine at first, a little mad at us, but seemed ok. She was smiling and looking forward to getting her little toy from the receptionist. Then as the doctor was packing up and i was packing up, she was standing near me and started whining a little. This may have been about 5 mins after the vax. She seemed a little pale (she always is). And then she started crying that her mouth hurt. I was trying to get the doctors attention but he was rushing out (as he always does, he practically refuses to sit and talk, and talks as he's walking away....). Then she started screaming that her mouth hurt and her lips looked white. He was already out of the room and into the receptionist area. My dd can be a little theatrical so I was trying to figure out what to make of it all and get his attention. I followed him and she followed me, and our nanny and my other daughter were in the waiting room and they saw us and came to the reception area as well. Our nanny kept asking him "is this the vaccination, how she is acting" and he said "no no, its fine".
Then we all looked at my daughter and she was WHITE WHITE. Her lips were completely devoid of colour and the receptionist said "thats not good, thats not normal, look at her" also trying to get the doctors attention.
Then my daughter collapsed. I ran over to her but the receptionist had picked her up and ran to the examination room and after that, its a bit hazy, but they stripped her down and started taking her vitals. I do not know what her vitals were, but her blood pressure was such that the doctor started to yell at his assistants to get this, get that. By this time, my daughter was white, extremely cold to touch (she felt hot she said) and in a cold sweat. Her eyes rolled back in her head and she was trying to cry but was obviously extremely weak and unresponsive. I thought she was dying.
They injected her with 150 mg of epinephrine and also cortisone. They didn't seem to know what they were doing and couldn't answer me when i asked what was going on or if she was going to be ok. They seemed as panicked and scared as I was and the doctors hands were shaking.
Then the ambulance came and we were taken to the children's hospital, about a 30 min drive away (normally in a car).
After a while, maybe halfway through the ambulance ride, she started to pink up again - she was admitted into the hospital for observation. After about 8 hours of observation, they discharged us. She is fine now, and even went to kindergarten this morning. But don't think i didn't sleep with her in my arms last night keeping one eye open on her all night long.
...
Now the analysis.
Bear in mind, I am not working in my first language here. So a lot of this is translated, mistranslated and there could be a lot of miscommunications. This is why i am posting this now, to see if anyone can help me fill in the gaps or clarify.
I never got a straight answer on why this happened. At first they said she went into shock, and they were treating it as an anaphylactic shock. And that they would never know if it truly was or not. I also asked, ok, so is this an allergic reaction and they said no. They also said i should continue vaccinating (RIGHT.). Come to find out, that one of the things that the doctor told our nanny was that it was merely a circulation problem, and perhaps this was a psychological reaction. I cannot completely dismiss the circulation theory, because my daughter is like snow white - white white skin, often cold hands and gets woozy a lot. However, I can not believe the psychological part. She's a tough kid. She was fine after the needle, it was 5 minutes later when her mouth started to hurt that she started freaking out. I feel as if the events weren't properly conveyed from the doctors office to the ambulance doctor to the emergency room doctor.
I don't know what to make of this all. If we talk to them again, they will insist it was an anomaly, that it was a freak thing and had nothing to do with the contents of that vax. And it angers me, because i know it won't be reported anywhere AS a vaccination reaction. I have to wonder how often things like these happen and the data never gets recorded.
At any rate, I believe I am done vaxxing. They have had the so called "important ones" (i.e. Dipth, etc) and I don't think they need any more. If anyone wants to argue with me or convince me otherwise, feel free to PM. I am a scientist with a masters degree and up to now, I have solely considered refereed scientific data for things like this. But having this anecdotal incident occur, and the way my daughter looked on that table yesterday, I don't think its worth it. Obviously SOMETHING didn't agree with her, and all I kept thinking was "I can't get that shit out of her body now, its too late. I screwed up." I am completely conflicted now between my former scientific mind and the extreme love I have for my kids and trauma of watching something like that happen to one of them.
Thanks for reading and any input you might have. I've googled and checked the resources stickied here, but i have not seen a case or a reaction like this. I wish i had more answers or at least one other person that this happened to.
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It's every mom's worst nightmare to see her child in danger. I'm glad she is doing better now. I wouldn't let this go either. If your doctor won't report this you can, here is 
Mama, soo glad to hear she is ok.
