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post #41 of 80
I know how you feel. My OB told me ity was ok for me to get the flu shot at 7 weeks pregnant (before I was educated about vaccines) and encouraged me to get it. Then he got the hep b shot a couple days after birth. Then I asked myself "Is Jack goignt o be having sex or using needles soon"? Then I started my research. Jack is 25 months old and has a spech delay and some social delays. Doesn't fit the spectrum, but he does have some interesting delays going on.
Of course I totally blame myself for this becasue of the flu vax mostly. But also my milk was really weak and I had to mostly supplement with formula
His pedi asks me to this day if I'd like to start vaccinating and I told her I just don't feel comfortable, as I am afraid Jack will regress. Luke, my 4 month old, is completely non vaccinated.

But there are toxins everywhere. You can't blame yourself. We live in a blindfolded world where greed superceeds the well being of humanity.
post #42 of 80
We have autism in our unvaxed children and when we took the hospital tests for lyme it was negative (92 percent failure rate at the hospital lyme test). When we took the IGENEX test for lyme it was positive, so I finally think we've found the answer. Lyme induced autism. It took me two or three years to really believe it though. and let it sink in. My first reaction was that it couldn't be, because lyme was from ticks and my video gamer children rarely went outside. Sounds crazy but lyme can be given, by fleas, or to the baby in utero if the parent had lyme and you never need to be bitten by a tick. The lyme bacteria follows the syphillis model, it is similarly shaped, and as such it can lay dormant for years and a person can pass it while remaining asymptomatic. I was asymptomatic until I started undergoing treatment for lyme and its coinfections..now I know that I have it too, and that is how my children got it. We are having all five of our children tested through IGENEX and the first child was positive for lyme.
post #43 of 80
From what i understand, autism is caused by one or more of these things: vaccines, birth trauma (ex: pitocin, vaccuum extraction,etc), and other enviornmental toxins such as aluminum and mercury. Eating food out of cans or cooking in aluminum pots can cause aluminum toxicity. Also, living in an industrial area near a chemical plant can do it. My NMD has seen a lot of unvaxed kids have ASD symptons only to find they just have food allergies/intolerances. Gluten for one can cause problems with brain but once its omitted, the child returns to normal. Processed food in general effects brain function, especially artificial flavors and colors.

My heart goes out to you and I hope everything works out.
post #44 of 80
aluminum from cans and utensils is alot less dangerous than aluminum from a vaccine... one is filtered by the digestive system the other injected directly into the body where it cannot be filter but tends to build up and toxify and build up in nervous tissue ie. brain ... nervous tissue cannot rid itself of aluminum and vaccines are not regulated like other aluminum injectables... usually the aluminum in a shot is more than most can handle unless you are 250lbs+<or somewhere in that range


Find a NMD... and as usuall i tell this to everyone... STOP VACCINATING it's ridiculous to do this to our children... people would not be vaccinating w50 vaccines if it were not mandatory... absolutely no one would do this... this is a fear based practice that in the long run really does alot of damage... only profits pediatricians and pharma.... and given the consequences it is much more costly to the child and the parents in the long run... autism also causes bankruptcy.. its' a very profitable result of vaccination... most of these things we vaccinate for are not life threatening for the average person, so the average person should not vaccinate for it... the next generations are going to have serious immune system problems because there will be no natural immunity to these diseases and nothing to pass to the younger generation.... as long as they have people captivated and vaccinated with fear they will come up with a vaccine for everything and the campaign will make sneezing into a deadly symptom... It amazing me that 50 vaccines does not alarm the average mother... as if our babies were born without an immune system... we keep relying on vaccines that may come true
post #45 of 80
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Originally Posted by medusaatemydog View Post
aluminum from cans and utensils is alot less dangerous than aluminum from a vaccine... one is filtered by the digestive system the other injected directly into the body where it cannot be filter but tends to build up and toxify and build up in nervous tissue ie. brain ... nervous tissue cannot rid itself of aluminum and vaccines are not regulated like other aluminum injectables... usually the aluminum in a shot is more than most can handle unless you are 250lbs+<or somewhere in that range


Find a NMD... and as usuall i tell this to everyone... STOP VACCINATING it's ridiculous to do this to our children... people would not be vaccinating w50 vaccines if it were not mandatory... absolutely no one would do this... this is a fear based practice that in the long run really does alot of damage... only profits pediatricians and pharma.... and given the consequences it is much more costly to the child and the parents in the long run... autism also causes bankruptcy.. its' a very profitable result of vaccination... most of these things we vaccinate for are not life threatening for the average person, so the average person should not vaccinate for it... the next generations are going to have serious immune system problems because there will be no natural immunity to these diseases and nothing to pass to the younger generation.... as long as they have people captivated and vaccinated with fear they will come up with a vaccine for everything and the campaign will make sneezing into a deadly symptom... It amazing me that 50 vaccines does not alarm the average mother... as if our babies were born without an immune system... we keep relying on vaccines that may come true
You are right about the aluminum in vaccines being more dangerous, of course... But as far as cans go, it depends on how healthy a persons system is to expel chemicals and it also depends on how often food is eaten out of cans.

I should have mentioned not using a microwave too. Not that any link to autism and microwaves has ever been found but there is a link to microwave use and alzheimers (don't know how to spell it) and both are brain issues.

Also, every child is so uniquely different that what effects one might not the other. An NMD or at least a good ND is the best bet. I love my NMD. Also, they have access to homeopathic heavy metal detoxes that are safe for children.
post #46 of 80
I know two little boys who are both autistic, completely non-vaxed, though their mom received the Rhogam shot during pregnancy. They function extremely well with chelation and very specific diets. No grains is part of it, I don't know the rest.

I personally don't hang my hat on the autism/vaccine link and never had, your case and others being why. However, I do believe that if the door is there for autism because of genetic or other factors, vaccination often is the key that opens the door. I feel there is a relationship, but I also feel that there is a relationship to our foods and the other toxins in our environment.

As parents we have to make the best decision based on the information available to us at the time. We do what we can for our kids, and love them regardless of the outcome. The very best thing you can do for your children is put your energy into their well-being and being the best parent you can be with whatever circumstances you are dealt. Energy spent second-guessing, regretting, or blaming yourself is energy that could be better spent looking for new solutions to the challenges that lay ahead. Keep your head up!
post #47 of 80
i don't know the validity of this because i just found it this week, but there's some interesting info from the vitamin d council on autism and vit d deficiency here.
post #48 of 80
What I have come to understand from having children who have multiple differing disabilities caused by the same bacteria, Lyme, or Borriella is that there are many different roads that lead to wellness. My arthritic, uveitic child will get to wellness on a different path than my chemically sensitive, and dyslexic or autistic will, but we will all meet together in the same place in the end.

There are certain treatments that are disease specific and then certain treatments that cross over as important to ALL of my children: Those are VItamin C some in lower amounts than others who take mega doses, Vitamin D which everyone is taking, D3-50 from Biotech 1800-345-1199, in a 50,000 IU dose. It prevents blindness, it does it all (vitamin D, W00t, W00t), probiotics, cod liver oils, and dealing with childhood emotional trauma. This means emotional energy work dealing with birth traumas, and the whole nine yards. Also, proteolytic enzymes, such as serraplus, or nattok, inflammation busting, fibrin eating, biofilm busters for all! Turmeric or curcumin for inflammation be it brain, joint or eye. These are some of my crossovers. Also yeast, everyone needs to treat for yeast. Plus most of us will chelate and half of us will zinc load while we chelate, and some of us can't take anything that stimulates the immune system. Some of us "detox" and some of us only "excrete" and my excreters can't handle chelators, so getting and keeping the bodies detox pathways open is a priority for all. Also, everyone has to support the detox organs, lymph, liver, kidney, skin, feet, etc. while keeping a positive attitude:




Shelly
post #49 of 80
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Originally Posted by sh0rtchica View Post
i don't know the validity of this because i just found it this week, but there's some interesting info from the vitamin d council on autism and vit d deficiency here.
thank you for sharing the great link.. I've heard about the value of Vitamin D in the past, but don't remember this site. Very great resource.

I particularly found this section interesting:

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Does vitamin D explain the role of vaccines, mercury, and heavy metals?

Autistic individuals have difficulty excreting heavy metals like mercury. If brain levels of activated vitamin D are too low to employ glutathione properly, and thus unable to remove heavy metals, they may be damaged by heavy metal loads normal children easily excrete. That is, the mercury in Thiomerosol vaccines may have injured vitamin D deficient children while normal children would have easily bound the mercury and excreted it.
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/healt...nd-brain.shtml


That really WOULD explain a lot wouldn't it... it's not just ONE thing that plays a part in autism (vaccines) but several factors coming together. It might help explain why some children are not damaged by a vaccine, while others are. I find it fascinating, and I am starting to think that we have been brainwashed into believing any amount of sun will kill us, when in fact moderate amounts are beneficial.
post #50 of 80
I haven't read all the responses but I wanted to comment.

As I'm sure you know, it's not just vaccines and labour drugs that cause autism, although I do believe they help trigger the gene (or whatever it is) and turn it on for autism. You said your son may be on spectrum. Your son. Boys are four time more likely to develop Autism than girls, which leads many - including myself - to believe that Autism is sex linked.

It's definitely not your fault so don't beat yourself up about that. You are obviously a caring mama for all you've done so far - and plan to do in the future.

post #51 of 80

Naet

I don't have an answer to your question, but wanted to recommend you look into NAET (for treatment of food allergies/sensitivities). I know this can be a big problem with autistic children, and NAET has been proven to help. It helped me greatly with my chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia.

http://naet.com/
post #52 of 80
I would also recommend NAET. It involves energy blockages in the body which can cause all kinds of issues claimed to be "uncureable" by the conventional medical world like arthritis herpes and the like. I've seen NAET get rid of a serious case of Autism and OCD in a young child...he is practically normal now. I would give it a serious shot!
post #53 of 80
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Originally Posted by xenayes99 View Post
I don't have an answer to your question, but wanted to recommend you look into NAET (for treatment of food allergies/sensitivities). I know this can be a big problem with autistic children, and NAET has been proven to help. It helped me greatly with my chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia.

http://naet.com/
HMM I had not heard of NAET and just looked into it extensively. It sounds almost exactly like Bioset allergy elimination which is what I am using with my DS right now. I wonder what the differences are. It really sounds the same??

http://www.bioset.net/
post #54 of 80
My mom is pro-vax and so I was completely vax'ed when I was growing up. I remember having a bad reaction to the hep b shots I got in 6th grade. I have mild asperger's and I think it is in large part due to the vaccinations. My DD has never been vax'ed, but she has shown some signs of being on the spectrum and I think some of the toxins in my body may have transferred to her while i was pregnant. I've been taking supplements to detox and have since noticed over the last year gradual improvements in both myself and her (she's still breastfeeding), so I'm pretty hopeful and excited about that. She's stopped hitting her head against things and that is a huge relief for us. We were very concerned when she would sit and rock back and forth hitting her head on the wall, couch, car seat, wherever she was sitting, but that has stopped. I am so glad she is not vaccinated because I think it would have only made things worse.
post #55 of 80
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Originally Posted by tstraile View Post
I would also recommend NAET. It involves energy blockages in the body which can cause all kinds of issues claimed to be "uncureable" by the conventional medical world like arthritis herpes and the like. I've seen NAET get rid of a serious case of Autism and OCD in a young child...he is practically normal now. I would give it a serious shot!

Well, I just spent about an hour checking their website and all I see is blah-blah. Where do I find any REAL suggestions, like for example, their step-by-step elimination diet? I mean, if I'm interested to try it, where do I even start? Is it just a diet or does one has to have acupuncture as well?
post #56 of 80
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Originally Posted by jacie87 View Post
My mom is pro-vax and so I was completely vax'ed when I was growing up. I remember having a bad reaction to the hep b shots I got in 6th grade. I have mild asperger's and I think it is in large part due to the vaccinations. My DD has never been vax'ed, but she has shown some signs of being on the spectrum and I think some of the toxins in my body may have transferred to her while i was pregnant. I've been taking supplements to detox and have since noticed over the last year gradual improvements in both myself and her (she's still breastfeeding), so I'm pretty hopeful and excited about that. She's stopped hitting her head against things and that is a huge relief for us. We were very concerned when she would sit and rock back and forth hitting her head on the wall, couch, car seat, wherever she was sitting, but that has stopped. I am so glad she is not vaccinated because I think it would have only made things worse.
I've heard many times that you should never detox while breastfeeding, but of course I can be wrong.
post #57 of 80
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Originally Posted by xenayes99 View Post
I don't have an answer to your question, but wanted to recommend you look into NAET (for treatment of food allergies/sensitivities). I know this can be a big problem with autistic children, and NAET has been proven to help. It helped me greatly with my chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia.

http://naet.com/
Do I need to buy their book or do they have some detailed step-by-step info on their website?
post #58 of 80
I think autism is like cancer. The rates are rising and there are some big contributors, but neither can be nailed down with one specific cause.

Ie; Smoking is a huge cause of lung cancer, but there are people who have never smoked and got lung cancer anyway. I believe that vaccines trigger autism is most kids but not all of them. It depends how sensitive to environmental factors they really are. I dont believe people are born with autism. I think something triggers it and if you can avoid it you will be fine. Unfortunately our environment is saturated with toxins and you can try your best to avoid them but you cant avoid all of them.
post #59 of 80
This is an old news story regarding ultrasound. Among the many evils affecting our children, I believe that this is one. I remember visiting a friend a couple years ago and his wife had sonogram prints all over the fridge. I didn't say a word, but I got a really sick feeling inside.

Sonogram technology was initially used on boats, but it found it's way into medical practice just as x-rays were discovered to be unsafe during pregnancy. Women are continuously told ultrasounds are safe when there is absolutely no proof of this--'we use it all the time' is proof of nothing but good marketing skills and people's ignorance. They are meant to be used only when absolutely necessary, but doctors are constantly making 'routine' appointments for their patients without even a reason. Most young families put so much trust in their doctors that they wouldn't question any of their practices and don't know better anyway.

Anyway, the point of what I was getting at was that not every evil is a heavy metal or chemical. As time goes by, I'm sure we'll continue to find out about more of these evils. Autism, from what I've seen and heard, stems from any disruption of normal brain development, most of which occurs from conception to the 2nd year of life. Perhaps this development in boys is simply more delicate for some reason. Perhaps estrogen somehow protects girls. Perhaps it has to do with our own hormone levels while pregnant. I'm just throwing ideas out there. I really don't know.
post #60 of 80
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Originally Posted by Ritske View Post
This is an old news story regarding ultrasound. Among the many evils affecting our children, I believe that this is one. I remember visiting a friend a couple years ago and his wife had sonogram prints all over the fridge. I didn't say a word, but I got a really sick feeling inside.
Thats something I always wonder about myself. Is it really harmless after all?

I do question that U/S only last 20 min (mentioned in story).. I only had one it was given at 20 weeks but it lasted one hour I think. They got measurements and checked everything thoroughly. I always thought that was standard (about an hr)... maybe for some people they do more of them, but spend less time on each one?

I also wonder if there could be an ideal time for U/S (at what week gestation) ... they told me I could have it 18-20 weeks, and I remember I chose to have it as late as possible (to be sure they got the sex right lol) even though that meant I'd have to wait a few extra weeks to find out sex, I wanted to be sure there was no mistake

Although I do question it now and then, I would likely do the same again next time. It was a relief to know that everything looked great, to know where the placenta was and that baby was healthy, etc. It made the rest of my pregnancy completely worry-free (I was in advanced maternal age group, so I was a bit apprehensive before U/S), and moms emotions do affect baby, so for me the u/s was a great thing. I would never do it for anything other than medical reasons though.
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