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probiotic suppliments. mercola's or dr rons which one to replace dr campbell mcbrides biokult?

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i've been taking gaps diet recomended bio kult (natasha campbell mcbrides own brand probiotic) but i've just read that magnesium stearate isn't good and these contain it. so i'm thinking of trying out either mercola's or dr ron's brands. anyone tried these? any thoughts? natasha prescribed a very high dose of bio kult and i've been taking up to 9 capsules a day as a theraputic dosage. but i've reduced this recently as she said i could after 6months. i'm not sure what sort of dose i should take now. is there any danger taking high doses during pregnancy? i'm all confused about this now and its impossible to get hold of natasha to ask as she never replies. dr ron was very helpful regarding his probiotic and said 1 tsp per day.

any one have experience of these products? thanks.
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just bumping - anyone know about this?
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I just ordered Dr. Ohhira's, so I can report back on that after a week or so... In the past I have used Primal Defense and didn't feel like the results justified the cost, but ymmv. (Not that Dr. Ohhira's is much cheaper, honestly, but I've read good things and thought I would give them a try.) I think I read around here or on the allergies forum that it is good to rotate through strains... So, I have been trying a new brand every time I run out lately. I have no idea if that is actually a good idea.
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What is Mercola selling now? It really irks me that he has a new one every year. A long time ago he suggested Primal Defense (didn't work for us *at all*, I would not recommend.) He was doing a knock off of Mt. Capra's goat's milk multi strain for a while, and then it was just lactobacillus sporogenes (the correct name is bacillus coagulans) which is a spore forming microbe. And now it's a new version with several other strains added too.

9 capsules/day of BioKult, yikes, that must get expensive!

Dr. Ron's has also has the Bacillus subtilis that BioKult does which Karen DeFelice mentions in her newest book as a microbe that cleans out and prepares the soil of the gut so to speak. I've read both positives and negatives (not natural to the human body) about it. Doc's FF is rather low in bacterial count (1 million per ml, usually we talk in billions for probiotics) so I'd be very interested in hearing feedback on its use. I haven't heard much of anything on it. It doesn't have bifidobacterium for the large intestine which I think is important for anyone who has ever been on antibiotics and having a yeast issue.
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JaneS, I noticed you have a link for Pharmax probiotics in your signature. My Naturopath prescribed these for me (said to do 2 weeks of the Synbiotic but I only did 2 days of that before it caused unbearable die-off, and and then the Maintenance which I did take for about 3 weeks) but I stopped taking them as I am concerned about the fructoogliosaccharides. She said it is food for the good bacteria and does inadvertantly feed the bad bacteria as well, but she said getting the counts of the good bacteria back up will mitigate that. I am just not convinced as it is synthetically derived and is SCD/GAPS illegal. Any thoughts?

I, too am searching for the best probiotic. Right now for me though I am starting Oil of Oregano for parasites/candida and then re-starting probiotics in several weeks when they have a chance of implanting on the gut wall once the OoO begins to kill the infection.
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What is Mercola selling now? It really irks me that he has a new one every year. A long time ago he suggested Primal Defense (didn't work for us *at all*, I would not recommend.) He was doing a knock off of Mt. Capra's goat's milk multi strain for a while, and then it was just lactobacillus sporogenes (the correct name is bacillus coagulans) which is a spore forming microbe. And now it's a new version with several other strains added too.

9 capsules/day of BioKult, yikes, that must get expensive!

Dr. Ron's has also has the Bacillus subtilis that BioKult does which Karen DeFelice mentions in her newest book as a microbe that cleans out and prepares the soil of the gut so to speak. I've read both positives and negatives (not natural to the human body) about it. Doc's FF is rather low in bacterial count (1 million per ml, usually we talk in billions for probiotics) so I'd be very interested in hearing feedback on its use. I haven't heard much of anything on it. It doesn't have bifidobacterium for the large intestine which I think is important for anyone who has ever been on antibiotics and having a yeast issue.

janeS thanks for your opinion its very helpful as really i don't have a clue about all this myself and have just trusted what the professionals say - which is a bit sad seeing as they are selling the stuff!! the bio kult is soo expensive - dd is on 6 a day but we've done the 6months worth now and tbh things have got so much better for us concerning our yeast issues. i've now cut right down for myself to 5 a day and dd 4 per day - but its still ridicuously expensive. i'm not sure i'll try the dr rons as its going to be so expenisve to ship it over to england and i've already ordered his raw liver capsules and some other things that i'm going to pay loads for and be broke forever!
the magnesium stearate warning was something i read on the mercola site so his probiotic dosn't contain this. i do hope that taking probiotics like this in pregnancy is ok?
this is the mercola probiotic i was thinking of getting - but thats also expensive! so nothing will be work out cheap whatever i choose, i just want to get a good one and hope it works well for us hmm perhaps i should just stick to the biokult
http://www.red23.co.uk/Dr-Mercolas-C...aps_p_779.html

thanks everyone for your thoughts on this.
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When you (any of you who have posted) say it "works" (or doesn't) what exactly do you mean? What result is it that is hoped for?
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When you (any of you who have posted) say it "works" (or doesn't) what exactly do you mean? What result is it that is hoped for?
i'm not sure what others might mean by it working. but for us we did combine the probiotics with doing the GAPS diet and i consulted dr campbell mcbride so it was taylored specifically for us. we are now able to tolerate and digest grains, dd no longer has the patches of excema she used to have, i don't get thrush anymore. dd's bowel movements are regular and healthy (as are mine!) we have energy, clearer skin, dd's behaviour has calmed down. we look and feel so much better than how we did 2 years ago before we started. that was the diet combined with the probiotics though so not just down to probiotics iyswim. hope that explains it. i'd be interested to hear what others mean by probiotics working for them.
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JaneS, I noticed you have a link for Pharmax probiotics in your signature. My Naturopath prescribed these for me (said to do 2 weeks of the Synbiotic but I only did 2 days of that before it caused unbearable die-off, and and then the Maintenance which I did take for about 3 weeks) but I stopped taking them as I am concerned about the fructoogliosaccharides. She said it is food for the good bacteria and does inadvertantly feed the bad bacteria as well, but she said getting the counts of the good bacteria back up will mitigate that. I am just not convinced as it is synthetically derived and is SCD/GAPS illegal. Any thoughts?

I, too am searching for the best probiotic. Right now for me though I am starting Oil of Oregano for parasites/candida and then re-starting probiotics in several weeks when they have a chance of implanting on the gut wall once the OoO begins to kill the infection.
DS has had tremendous help from first Intensive and then Mindlinx, both capsule versions do not have FOS. FOS is very uncomfortable for him to take so I just didn't do it. To me excess gas and bloating cannot be good, I'd rather go slow, especially with a wee one. I think you should listen to your body.

I have heard good things about the Synbiotic though. It is a crazy high count, rivals the VSL3 b/c Pharmax puts in double what is on the label so it makes the count 250 billion per sachet. I know of several people personally who stopped yeast infections in a day or two with this product and it was the only thing which prevented them from coming back. But they didn't suffer with the FOS. From what I've read I think it is the specific kind of bad bacteria you might have in abundance that responds to FOS, some do not.

Maintenance only has 1 billion (2 billion fresh) organisms, I wouldn't consider this an option so soon for someone with big issues. *Maybe* after several months and a return to easy digestion and perfect stool patterns (at least once preferably several times day of dark brown firm not smelly) but not a few weeks. I would do Intensive for a while, that is 30 (60) billion per capsule.

I wouldn't wait to do probiotics with your OoO, is that what your clinician told you? I would do the probiotics at different times as the OoO but start at same day. Your gut flora will shift from the OoO. The way I think of it based on my reading is that the space will want to be occupied when the OoO kills off bacteria and yeast and you want what grows back to be influenced by the probiotics so the organisms themselves will adhere to the epithelial lining, and the ph level produced by the probiotics (they produce hydrogen peroxide) will resist the bad stuff from growing back.
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i'm not sure what others might mean by it working. but for us we did combine the probiotics with doing the GAPS diet and i consulted dr campbell mcbride so it was taylored specifically for us. we are now able to tolerate and digest grains, dd no longer has the patches of excema she used to have, i don't get thrush anymore. dd's bowel movements are regular and healthy (as are mine!) we have energy, clearer skin, dd's behaviour has calmed down. we look and feel so much better than how we did 2 years ago before we started. that was the diet combined with the probiotics though so not just down to probiotics iyswim. hope that explains it. i'd be interested to hear what others mean by probiotics working for them.
Same here, that's a good description. I will also say the Pharmax was the only intervention we've done that enabled DS to eat sugars (TF of course!) and still have perfect poops. (And my ultimate definition of perfect poops are if my DS can forget to flush and I won't know it unless I go into the bathroom and see them in the toilet bowl! He used to have 'smell to the rafters' poop! Now it's so mild.)

Bluebell,
Have you tried just taking one Biokult per day or less for maintenance? You've had such success and it's easier for you to get in UK, I'm not sure you should try Dr. Ron's given it's very low count. I'm also wary of liquids (powdered have been shown to be more shelf stable.)

I only give my DS an Intensive every once in a while unless things go weird b/c of a food reaction and that works just great for him.
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One more thing I forgot to add b/c I was talking about this in Allergies forum tonight... the Mindlinx is specifically for gluten/dairy intolerance. It may have helped my DS tolerate dairy.

(I'm keeping him off gluten for the time being b/c he has one gluten sensitive gene and one celiac gene, had him tested at Enterolab.) Previously he got a hoarse voice from eating (raw, cultured) dairy. Even goat. It gradually developed over many months of eating dairy so I took it out and his voice went back to normal. I started Intensive for a month, then Mindlinx for about 5 months and he is eating dairy with abandon right now. I think it might have been an intolerance b/c his IgE blood tests for a "true" allergy were rated low to dairy when the hoarseness was happening. They are negative now. (Blood tests can be unreliable tho.)
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I just finished the GAPS intro diet (I have been on it for 5 weeks) I do think I am having die-off with biokult..sometimes I feel a little "panicky" or have some headaches. Other than that I feel really well. I am going to look into Mindlinx since I have brain reactions to gluten/casein (depression, anxiety). I think I will do the Mindlinx for a while and then try and intro GAPS yogurt.

I wanted to add as well--You could be really diligent about food ferments and take less bottled probiotics after you get through the big issues.
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