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post #1 of 30
4/29/09 at 5:11pm
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Mods -

The Jewish Mamas thread was moved from FYT to Spirituality again - in an effort, I'm sure, to get us more targeted exposure - but the last time that happened it was agreed that we move back to FYT.

The Jewish Mamas board is more of a cultural board than a religious board, and we feel that we're better represented in FYT. That was also your ruling as mods from a year ago (or so).

Could you move us back to FYT, please?
post #2 of 30
4/29/09 at 7:44pm
Hi, I'm sorry to hear you are unhappy about the Jewish mama tribe being moved to Spirituality. I wasn't involved in the move last time, so I can't really address what happened in the past. Organizationally, it makes the most sense for us, from a moderation standpoint, to host a Jewish mamas thread in Spirituality rather than FYT. The move has nothing to do with exposure, but instead, it's a practical matter that we'd like for all commonalities hosted elsewhere to actually reside in the more applicable forum. We need to try and be consistent as possible, so tribes with any type of spiritual or religious commonality, whether the discussion focuses on cultural or religious matters relating to the religion, are to be hosted in Spirituality rather than FYT. Please see the revised FYT Guidelines here:

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5. Tribes that are based on commonalities already hosted on the board belong in the appropriate forum. Additionally, FYT is not to take the place of discussions focused in other areas on the board. For example, a raw food tribe would go in Nutrition and Good Eating. Tribes that belong in other forums will be moved.
If anyone is unhappy about this decision, you can contact me privately if you'd like to discuss this further. Thanks
post #3 of 30
4/29/09 at 10:10pm
I think what the moderators are missing is that being Jewish isn't necessarily an issue of religion or spirituality, but literally one of tribal membership.
post #4 of 30
4/29/09 at 11:19pm
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Originally Posted by crazy_eights View Post
I think what the moderators are missing is that being Jewish isn't necessarily an issue of religion or spirituality, but literally one of tribal membership.
That is realized, it just depends on the nature of the discussion. If the discussion is going to have a large focus on religion then we need tat to take place in Spirituality.
post #5 of 30
4/29/09 at 11:45pm
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Our discussions are mostly about schools, our marriages, food choices, Israel, and our children. Rarely does religion enter into it. In general, about religious things, we will start a new thread.
post #6 of 30
4/29/09 at 11:46pm
Depends on the time of year. Around the high holidays and passover, there is alot of chit chat about holidays - but even that is generally not "religious" or "spiritual". I think there is more discussion about food and children than anything religious. Perhaps we should be moved to food and childcare forums?
post #7 of 30
4/30/09 at 6:53am
Being Jewish is a lot about food for me. I vote for food!
post #8 of 30
4/30/09 at 9:57am
Honestly, I'm not so miffed about the change, now that Spirituality is no longer a 50/60 board. A major concern last time around, was that they moved the thread and suddenly new members couldn't access us. IMO, it's easy enough for a new member to do a search for "Jewish" and find the thread, wherever it's located.
post #9 of 30
4/30/09 at 12:35pm
Why do you not want the thread in Spirituality?

What are the reasons for wanting to move out?

The other threads that are religious in nature are in Spirituality, it is fair that yours is as well.
post #10 of 30
4/30/09 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by abimommy View Post
Why do you not want the thread in Spirituality?

What are the reasons for wanting to move out?

The other threads that are religious in nature are in Spirituality, it is fair that yours is as well.
Being Jewish is not about religion. We happen to discuss a few religious topics but mostly it's Jewish culture and just having being a Jew in common.

Although we currently don't have any Jewish Buddists or Jewish Atheists or Jewish Pagans active on the thread any of the above would be more than welcome because our commonality is not religious observance but being Jewish- a culture, "race", ethnicity, peoplehood, whatever you want to call it, but not a religion. By moving the thread to Spirituality you remove that possibility, that commonality of just being fellow Jews together.
And that is why the thread was never kept in Spirituality before.
post #11 of 30
4/30/09 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by crazy_eights View Post
I think there is more discussion about food and children than anything religious. Perhaps we should be moved to food and childcare forums?
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Originally Posted by BelovedBird View Post
Being Jewish is a lot about food for me. I vote for food!
Not a member of your tribe, but my organizational self likes the idea of the food threads being in the food forums. IIRC there are support-only tribes in there, too.
post #12 of 30
4/30/09 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by BelovedBird View Post
Being Jewish is not about religion. We happen to discuss a few religious topics but mostly it's Jewish culture and just having being a Jew in common.

Although we currently don't have any Jewish Buddists or Jewish Atheists or Jewish Pagans active on the thread any of the above would be more than welcome because our commonality is not religious observance but being Jewish- a culture, "race", ethnicity, peoplehood, whatever you want to call it, but not a religion. By moving the thread to Spirituality you remove that possibility, that commonality of just being fellow Jews together.
And that is why the thread was never kept in Spirituality before.
Hmm, well, then perhaps the tribe would be better suited for the Multicultural Families forum. It has always been my understanding that FYT is for threads that don't fit elsewhere, not ones that fit in several places.
post #13 of 30
4/30/09 at 4:39pm
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Originally Posted by dawningmama View Post
Hmm, well, then perhaps the tribe would be better suited for the Multicultural Families forum. It has always been my understanding that FYT is for threads that don't fit elsewhere, not ones that fit in several places.
That is what I would going to suggest as another alternative.

We are wanting to move things out of FYT if we can. Modding FYT is becoming unwieldy and overwhelming, FYT mods have all the areas and all the chatty threads.

Anything we can get out of there will be moved.
post #14 of 30
4/30/09 at 4:40pm
It's not just that it "doesn't fit other places". By placing it in spirituality, you alienate the secular Jewish mamas who ID as "Jewish" by birth but not religiously observent. Most of what we talk about is not "spiritual" or "religious" and ID'ing it as such could be a huge turn-off, esp. to new posters. This is not like "Catholic mamas" who are ID"ing by religion and religious observant.
post #15 of 30
4/30/09 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by crazy_eights View Post
It's not just that it "doesn't fit other places". By placing it in spirituality, you alienate the secular Jewish mamas who ID as "Jewish" by birth but not religiously observent. Most of what we talk about is not "spiritual" or "religious" and ID'ing it as such could be a huge turn-off, esp. to new posters. This is not like "Catholic mamas" who are ID"ing by religion and religious observant.
Do you think it would be inappropriate in Multiculturalism?
post #16 of 30
4/30/09 at 5:03pm
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Originally Posted by abimommy View Post
That is what I would going to suggest as another alternative.

We are wanting to move things out of FYT if we can. Modding FYT is becoming unwieldy and overwhelming, FYT mods have all the areas and all the chatty threads.

Anything we can get out of there will be moved.
This is exactly it. FYT is great for location based tribes and for tribes that do not fit anywhere else but we have been trying to put tribes in places where they make more sense.
post #17 of 30
4/30/09 at 5:04pm
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Do you think it would be inappropriate in Multiculturalism?
Why do you think it is appropriate? Why isn't the MOC thread there?
post #18 of 30
4/30/09 at 5:12pm
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Originally Posted by BelovedBird View Post
Why do you think it is appropriate? Why isn't the MOC thread there?
We hadn't actually addressed threads for removal to Multiculturalism. It was mentioned as an alternative.

The Multicultural forum isn't really "support only" though so it doesn't seem as suitable but I think we could probably keep tribe threads going as support only even though a forum is not.

Also the multiculturalism forum is in Parenting and parenting focused so I am not sure if that would work.
post #19 of 30
4/30/09 at 5:27pm
Would putting more mods in FYT be an option? Or is that completely impractical?

Maybe a separate mod or team of mods for the geographical tribes, and another mod/mod team for the "random topic" tribes?

The MultiCultural forum seems to be mostly about families with more than one culture or race within that family, and for dealing with racism. There doesn't seem to be much in there about "let's celebrate this one culture we all share". Are you looking to change the focus of the Multicultural Families forum?
post #20 of 30
4/30/09 at 5:33pm
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Would putting more mods in FYT be an option? Or is that completely impractical?
It actually makes more sense to clean up FYT because there are threads that just dont belong there and can be best placed elsewhere. That way we are not creating more unnecessary work. Why add more resources to something that is not right to begin with?
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