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post #1 of 25
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I was only a baby, but some posters here may remember the swine flu outbreak in 1976. About 200 were sick, and one died. It didn't spread as readily as today's version, but it's interesting how public health authorities responded. The doctor interviewed admits that they over-reacted. A massive propaganda campaign went out encouraging people to get the swine flu vax, which only succeeded in making people sick.

Yesterday's episode of NPR's Here and Now covers this story. Host Robin Young states that the incident "acts as a cautionary tale."

"How soon should America be pushing for a vaccine?" The doctor's response is both interesting and revealing as he believes that we need to slow down a little in our response. This is definitely not an "anti-vax" piece, but there's a lot to learn from it.
post #2 of 25
Indeed, indeed.

What's scary is if they label this some kind of 'pandemic' under the patriot act they may be able to force or attempt to force us to vax *shudder*
post #3 of 25
On NPR today they were talking about how they're discussing coming up with 300 million doses of a vaccine for swine flu before fall because sometimes the pandemic-type flu (at least the one in 1918 or whenever did) comes back with a vengence in the fall that it didn't have the previous spring. Then they started going on and on about how they wouldn't be able to get every american to get the swine flu vax AND the regular flu vax and that's where they lost me... I can't imagine even HALF of americans get the regular flu vax alone each year. Oh... and they're thinking of merging them into one vaccine - swine flu + the regular flu vaccine. Sounds like a sneaky way of getting more coverage on the regular flu vaccine, to me, but I'm a bit cynical about that one.
post #4 of 25
Ugh..someone had posted a youtube video on the commercials they had run in 1976 when the swine flu hit the first time..they were laughable! I wonder if they're going to use the same vaccine that gave everyone gbs.....

Thanks for reminding me why I don't listen to radio or tv or newspapers anymore, lol!
post #5 of 25
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Originally Posted by Juvysen View Post
On NPR today they were talking about how they're discussing coming up with 300 million doses of a vaccine for swine flu before fall because sometimes the pandemic-type flu (at least the one in 1918 or whenever did) comes back with a vengence in the fall that it didn't have the previous spring. Then they started going on and on about how they wouldn't be able to get every american to get the swine flu vax AND the regular flu vax and that's where they lost me... I can't imagine even HALF of americans get the regular flu vax alone each year. Oh... and they're thinking of merging them into one vaccine - swine flu + the regular flu vaccine. Sounds like a sneaky way of getting more coverage on the regular flu vaccine, to me, but I'm a bit cynical about that one.

I think you are right to be cynical. I read somewhere that the WHO's flu vax uptake target is 75%.
post #6 of 25
A girlfriend and I were discussing this earlier this week, and she said that the reason the WHO generally raised the "alert" is that they can get more funding to do preventative measures.

It's hardly a pandemic yet. The news just has nothing better to do right now then sensationalize it, and scare the crap out of everyone.

I do believe that we should still be dilligent in watching for it, I just don't think a vaccine that hasn't been tested properly is going to be the answer.

My DH was saying that there was a situation somewhere else with Pox- 1 person died from it and then the rest of the people who had the Pox (he wasn't sure what it was, so forgive me) ended with the vaccine, and 30 of them died from the vaccine.

There is much to be sad about rushing a vaccine in a situation like this.
post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by Talula Fairie View Post
Indeed, indeed.

What's scary is if they label this some kind of 'pandemic' under the patriot act they may be able to force or attempt to force us to vax *shudder*

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Edited by mama2peyton - 11/10/10 at 10:07am
post #8 of 25
This is a little OT but still worth seeing -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBeKB7aKzOs
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by Juvysen View Post
On NPR today they were talking about how they're discussing coming up with 300 million doses of a vaccine for swine flu before fall because sometimes the pandemic-type flu (at least the one in 1918 or whenever did) comes back with a vengence in the fall that it didn't have the previous spring. Then they started going on and on about how they wouldn't be able to get every american to get the swine flu vax AND the regular flu vax and that's where they lost me... I can't imagine even HALF of americans get the regular flu vax alone each year. Oh... and they're thinking of merging them into one vaccine - swine flu + the regular flu vaccine. Sounds like a sneaky way of getting more coverage on the regular flu vaccine, to me, but I'm a bit cynical about that one.

This may be the summary of the discussion/s you heard.
post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by teale View Post

I do believe that we should still be dilligent in watching for it, I just don't think a vaccine that hasn't been tested properly is going to be the answer.
post #11 of 25
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Originally Posted by Gitti View Post
This is a little OT but still worth seeing -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBeKB7aKzOs
it may sound over the top at first glance, but do your research. when you connect the dots, there is only one place this stuff could have originated. And it wasn't in a mexican kindergarten. Or a crowded, cold office. Most of us here in the "vaccine-educated" community know that occasionally the vaccines cause the illness they are meant to prevent, simply don't work, or have any number of unpredictable effects.

Is it really such a far fetched idea that the U.S. gov covertly researches, funds and engineers and uses biological weapons such as the spanish flu of 1918, then innoculates it's troops against these bio weapons without their knowledge? Why else would the armed forces force a person who has natural immunity to measels, mumps, and rubella to get the mmr shot unless it is more than just an mmr? I mean come on, do you really think that the army is going to walk up to every 18 year old going to basic and say "here is a list of the vaccines we are going to give you. Of course you can't refuse them, but we are letting you know that we are innoculating you against these listed covert bio weapons which you may be exposed to in a combat situation. It is equally absurd that the u.s. armed forces would be stupid enough to make and use bio weapons on it's enemies, and then send it's troops into those infected areas unprotected and with the same degree of immunity against those diseases as the troops they are fighting.

I don't know what you guys think, and you can call me a crazy quack if you like, but I think i would lay the blame somewhere between Washington d.c., Fort riley, kansas, and Fort dix, TX. Of course that is if you believe there is any power left in Washington.
post #12 of 25
Quite frankly I think they are oversensationlizing it so more people get more scared and more antibacterial stuff gets sold and so on. I'm in Texas, so we've got it around. They've closed my sisters' school district and are moving southward. I bet within a week they'll close ours. Think of all the working moms out there who can't do a full day's worth of child care. I know I can't. it'll shut down the system all because of hysteria and not enough purell.
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post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by sarahwpen View Post
it may sound over the top at first glance, but do your research. when you connect the dots, there is only one place this stuff could have originated. And it wasn't in a mexican kindergarten. Or a crowded, cold office. Most of us here in the "vaccine-educated" community know that occasionally the vaccines cause the illness they are meant to prevent, simply don't work, or have any number of unpredictable effects.

Is it really such a far fetched idea that the U.S. gov covertly researches, funds and engineers and uses biological weapons such as the spanish flu of 1918, then innoculates it's troops against these bio weapons without their knowledge? Why else would the armed forces force a person who has natural immunity to measels, mumps, and rubella to get the mmr shot unless it is more than just an mmr? I mean come on, do you really think that the army is going to walk up to every 18 year old going to basic and say "here is a list of the vaccines we are going to give you. Of course you can't refuse them, but we are letting you know that we are innoculating you against these listed covert bio weapons which you may be exposed to in a combat situation. It is equally absurd that the u.s. armed forces would be stupid enough to make and use bio weapons on it's enemies, and then send it's troops into those infected areas unprotected and with the same degree of immunity against those diseases as the troops they are fighting.

I don't know what you guys think, and you can call me a crazy quack if you like, but I think i would lay the blame somewhere between Washington d.c., Fort riley, kansas, and Fort dix, TX. Of course that is if you believe there is any power left in Washington.
I don't think that is all that wacky at all. Totally possible, more likely probable and makes total sense. I think those that deny all "conspiracy" theories are just being naive. That's not to say every CP that comes around is true, but I think in many many cases there is at least an element of truth to what is going on.
post #14 of 25
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OMG!!!! Check this out. I found the 1976 vax commercials on You Tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASibLqwVbsk

The second one you'll see is based on an absolute whopper because swine flu never left the military base.

I guess that the shot created a new epidemic: Guillan-Barre Syndrome. :
post #15 of 25
OMG, this whole thing is insanity...15 people (in a population of 110 Million) die in Mexico and it's a "pandemic"?? (As of today, Mexico updated data that only 15 people died, not the 160 "probable deaths from swine flu" previously reported, but even if it was 160...) 17,000+ people die each year in Mexico from diarrhea and other complications of the "regular" human influenza, (compared to the 1000 Canadians who die on average from this each year). Most deaths are not from the flu/cold itself, they are from DEHYDRATION which results from the vomiting and diarrhea, which is totally preventable with the right care). Mexico is a third world country. They do not have access to medical care, clean water and information like we do, they do not have the sanitation that we do...

All you vax-educated mammas know that we can't compare today to what happened in 1918 - they did not have the sanitation, water, living conditions, access to "medical" care, knowledge, etc. we have today.

Regardless, let's keep this in perspective! Several hundred people die in Mexico each year of Malaria, and 1200 cases of Malaria (with on average, 6 deaths) are reported each year in the U.S. from Malaria yet it is not considered a pandemic. There have been no deaths from swine flu reported in Canada or the U.S. or Australia or any other developed country, (even if there were, keep in mind that 1000 people die in Canada each year from the "human" flu and nobody is panicking...). There was one death that the media is reporting as a "U.S." death, but it was a Mexican baby brought to the U.S. who died shortly after arriving. They don't say whether the baby had other medical conditions, weakened immune system, asthma, died of dehydration, etc. And why, when over 1800 people die each year in the U.S. from influenza, is one death something to panic about?

The CDC sets an "epidemic threshold", which means a flu is considered an epidemic if the deaths in a given week exceed what is historically "normal' from the flu for that week. The baseline of deaths from influenza runs at about 6% - 7%, but can rise to 8% - 10% during flu season. If 1000 people die each year in Canada from the flu, yet none have die in Canada from swine flu...and 1800 people die each year in the U.S. from the flu, and only one has died in the U.S. from swine flu...and 17,000 people die each year in Mexico from the flu and only 55 (or even 160) have died from swine flu...is it really a pandemic?

Egypt is slaughtering all pigs in the entire country even though there are no cases of swine flu in Egypt and outside of Mexico, people are getting it from other people, not pigs. The fear mongering is ridiculous.

In Canada, 10 people die EACH DAY from car accidents. 112 people die EACH DAY in Canada of heart disease. Are these pandemics? How real is this risk of swine flu??? There are 55 cases of swine flu in Canada, no deaths. All cases in developed countries are mild, not much different than the regular flu. Death rates in under developed countries are far less than other illnesses they battle every day.

The swine flu "pandemic" in 1976, (where one person died - some pandemic...oh yeah, and he died right after receiving vaccines for other diseases...hmmm). The government quickly released a vaccine for the swine flu, and the vaccine ended up killing and injuring more people than the disease had!

The "swine flu" is a combination of avian bird flu, human flu and swine flu. Some scientists have speculated that this mutation cannot occur naturally and there are some who believe it is "mutated by man". Baxter, a large drug company was caught smuggling bird flu in to the U.S. recently, and "accidentally" mixed LIVE avian flu virus with their human influenza virus 2 months ago. : Another drug company was caught smuggling HIV in to the U.S. in the 70's. (Isn't it a good thing that if you get HIV, you can take a pile of drugs for the rest of your life - think guaranteed lifelong customer here - and you will live a long time). I'm not saying I don't want the drugs, I don't want the disease to start with!

There is a HUGE push for the world to "prepare" for a bird flu pandemic, (just as one example, the town I live in has stockpiled bird flu vaccines and has a "pandemic plan" in place that includes using local ice rinks as morgues). Our office has a "pandemic plan", of which I'm part of . There is soooo much hype and fear around bird flu pandemic planning it is unreal when you look at the real risks. There is speculation that this "swine flu pandemic" is a beta test for the bird flu pandemic, (which many speculate will be man-made either as a result of bioterrorism, a very corrupt drug company, or a modern-day genocide - not sure if that's the right word - the rich and powerful want to reduce the world population - think Hilter). The target is the U.S., what better place to release it than Mexico. Whomever is behind it wants to see how fast it spreads, what actions are taken etc.

I'm skeptical on the tracking and reporting coming out of Mexico too - even in developed countries it is NOT the norm to swab and test every person who presents at the doctor with a fever, cough, etc. How is Mexico so easily able to tell exactly how many cases of swine flu they have had? Out of curiosity, if they are swabbing and testing every person who has these symptoms, how many are NOT swine flu but some other influenza variation? Statistically, 46 people die there each day of "human" flu and colds, so one would think that they would be detecting a large number of "human" flu viruses if they are swabbing everyone. Statistically, within 4 days, 160 will have died of "human" influenza or the common cold in Mexico. Yet that is not a pandemic?

Try Googling "Swine Flu Conspiracy", or read the comments at the end of some of the newspaper articles on swine flu - thank goodness there are many who share this belief...My only hope is that Mexico gets on this and gets the truth out because it is ruining travel and trade to their poor country...

Sheesh.

And one last thing, isn't it interesting that all of the recommendations on how to handle this "pandemic" are handwashing, anti-viral DRUGS and an eventual VACCINE. No mention of getting a good nights sleep, eating healthy foods, excercising, and maintaining a strong immune system...

*steps down off soapbox* This stuff drives me nuts. I am VERY concerned that they will try to mandate vaccinations if/when this virus "miraculously" resurfaces in the fall/winter in a more virulent strain!
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post #17 of 25
I agree with much of what you said monkeybum, but FYI -the stomach flu and/or gastroenteritis is not caused by the virus influenza. Rarely, influenza causes nausea and vomiting but for the most part it's respiratory. Usually it's a complication like pneumonia that causes the deaths.
post #18 of 25
Oops, sorry! I'll keep that in mind - sometimes I just get on a rant!
post #19 of 25
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Oops, sorry! I'll keep that in mind - sometimes I just get on a rant!
I feel you. I wrote that same rant a few days ago which is how I found out the truth.
post #20 of 25
Maybe this was already said, but, I heard that 36,000 die each year from seasonal flu in the US alone. Supposedly though, what makes this one "scary" and what made the one in 1976 (spurring the vax campaign that caused more deaths than the actual virus did...) is that it's "new" so they don't know what to expect, and they're taking precautions just in case since it does appear to be fairly easily transmissable.

I suspect there's probably a *lot* more cases that they're not detecting because it's so very mild - maybe the person only has a cough or sore throat or something and only the very sick go in for treatment. I can't figure out how it would have hit so many tourists otherwise in a city of 25 million, but not the rest of the people living there. I hope that doesn't count as a conspiracy theory. I don't think it's a conspiracy, just the way things work with illnesses.

It's not *really* comparable in terms of the disease between now and the '70s, though because this isn't actually "swine flu" this time it's "swine-avian-human combo flu". I do think we can learn a lot from the rushed 70's vax campaign, though... like maybe the vax might be more harmful than the disease if it hasn't been tested thoroughly....
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