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WWYD? Vaccinate, or have your kids removed?

post #1 of 93
Thread Starter 
Ive heard of this happening in a few states. Michigan is pretty good about not vaccinating and not giving court trouble, but other states arnt as good.

I have had CPS called twice for not vaccinating by doctors. So this is near and dear to me.

Would you vaccinate your children if CPS said you had to or your kids would be taken away (even if it isnt against the law not too)?

I had a friend of mine say she wouldnt.

That is just crazy to me. As much as I am against vaccinations, I absolutley wouldnt blink at doing them. I think the damage would be worse to them to be removed from me, then to get the shots especially at the ages they are now, a little older.

I was just wondering if I am a minority, or the majority here
post #2 of 93
If it came down to it and some tool was threatening that idiocy, I would probably push it as far as I could before anyone took them, but ultimately, if it meant "they're removed or vaxed" I would vax. And then I would do a heavy metal detox on all of us.
post #3 of 93
I'd contact my lawyer. It would have to be more than CPS threatening me. I'd have to be under court orders with no hope of appeal. If CPS tried to give me an ultimatum like that, I'd just take my kids and leave the area for a while until my lawyer got through with them.
post #4 of 93
I'd get a lawyer and fight it like crazy. But if, in the end, I lost and there was no other choice, I'd vaccinate and then, like a pp said, do a detox and get on GAPS immediately.
post #5 of 93
Although they may try and judges may sympathize, there is not CPS can legally to do make you vaccinate your kids, though they will certainly allow you to think so. I would get a lawyer and fight it hard. From what I've heard, CPS will mostly attempt to intimidate in these cases, backing down once they realize you know your stuff. I have yet to hear of one case where a parent was legally forced to vaccinate their child.
post #6 of 93
Thread Starter 
Over in the East, MA or something, there were just a bunch of cases where parents were taken in front of a judge for not vaccinating and either had to , or the kids were being taken away, and I believe the state had exemptions, Hmm, off to google!
post #7 of 93
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http://vaccineawakening.blogspot.com...nating-in.html

This is what I was talkign about. It is was Maryland. The parents were being taken to jail. Uhg. Same difference. But they have religious and medical exemptions that are apparently hard to come by.

Either way, I think having me in jail isnt worth it either. I would also do a detox, maybe some chelation.
post #8 of 93
I think that vaccines are more dangerous and more poisonous than even the most educated of us mamas know...I think they are just poison.

I would take my kids on a "vacation" and let my lawyer sort it out. It would take a hell of a lot more than CPS "saying so" to get me to inject my children with that crud. It would have to be court ordered, no hope of appeal and even then, I would be as selective as I possibly could, as far as what they vaxed for.

I have a phenominal doctor who is AWESOME with us about vax...always tries naturopathic/remedy treatments with children before antibiotics, etc....he's just a gem, I feel so blessed to have him.

Mamas with doctors who report for non-vax....I'm so sorry. That is just criminally betraying to you and your child. I'm so sorry.
post #9 of 93
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Originally Posted by Lovemy3babies View Post
http://vaccineawakening.blogspot.com...nating-in.html

This is what I was talkign about. It is was Maryland. The parents were being taken to jail. Uhg. Same difference. But they have religious and medical exemptions that are apparently hard to come by.
In the Maryland case, it was a matter of parents not getting their children the mandatory vaccines for school. Anyone who wanted to file for the religious exemption still had that right. And filing for the religious exemption in Maryland isn't difficult at all. In spite of what that blog stated, I've never heard of anyone thrown into a room and grilled about their religious beliefs for filing a religious exemption in Maryland.

The topic of this thread and what happened in PG Co. Maryland are completely different things.
post #10 of 93
If I felt vaxes were deadly to my kids or downright evil, I'd move to somewhere where they're not required.
post #11 of 93
If it really looked like my kids were going to be removed from my care, they would be vaccinated upon removal anyway, so I would vaccinate. But I would pull out every legal stop first. However, it would harm them more to be vaccinated AND removed traumatically from their family than to just be vaccinated. It would be a "sucks or sucks worse" situation.
post #12 of 93
I would also take my kids on a "vacation" and let m lawyer sort it out. ultimately if I had to I would move to another state... and ultimately another country if I could... I would be scared of what direction our country was heading in if it came to that.

If it came down to it I would vaccinate, and if anything happened to my children the way my son was effected by vaccines all hell would break loose and hopefully they would never "court order" vaccines again.
post #13 of 93
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Originally Posted by earthmama369 View Post
If it really looked like my kids were going to be removed from my care, they would be vaccinated upon removal anyway, so I would vaccinate. But I would pull out every legal stop first. However, it would harm them more to be vaccinated AND removed traumatically from their family than to just be vaccinated. It would be a "sucks or sucks worse" situation.
ITA, this is what I was going to say too.

I don't think that scenario would be very likely to happen though, at least in my state.
post #14 of 93
I read an article a while ago in my mom's Saturday Evening Post, by a pediatrician who was a child during the height of the polio scare. He thinks it's wonderful that vaccinations have eradicated so many things, that many parents today feel safe not vaccinating their kids. But at the same time, he pointed out that not experiencing the trauma of things like polio has made an entire generation of parents consider it optional to protect their children from potentially fatal or debilitating diseases that are easily preventable. Seeing neighbors' children die of polio would no doubt remove most parents' concerns about artificial ingredients in vaccines and would dispel myths about breast-fed children and/or children with healthy immune systems not needing them.

Especially if the alternative is losing custody of your kids, why would you not?
post #15 of 93
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Originally Posted by Lovemy3babies View Post
http://vaccineawakening.blogspot.com...nating-in.html

This is what I was talkign about. It is was Maryland. The parents were being taken to jail. Uhg. Same difference. But they have religious and medical exemptions that are apparently hard to come by.

Either way, I think having me in jail isnt worth it either. I would also do a detox, maybe some chelation.
This was for kids whose parents did NOT file an exemption, didn't want one and just didn't vax their kids.
post #16 of 93
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Originally Posted by earthmama369 View Post
If it really looked like my kids were going to be removed from my care, they would be vaccinated upon removal anyway, so I would vaccinate. But I would pull out every legal stop first. However, it would harm them more to be vaccinated AND removed traumatically from their family than to just be vaccinated. It would be a "sucks or sucks worse" situation.
: I'm a foster parent. I know that if they somehow managed to get a judge to agree to removal (which I can't imagine, but hey--there are the exceptions) then they'd absolutely have orders to have them vaxed up to date like every other foster kid in the system.



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Originally Posted by Jeannine View Post
I read an article a while ago in my mom's Saturday Evening Post, by a pediatrician who was a child during the height of the polio scare. He thinks it's wonderful that vaccinations have eradicated so many things, that many parents today feel safe not vaccinating their kids. But at the same time, he pointed out that not experiencing the trauma of things like polio has made an entire generation of parents consider it optional to protect their children from potentially fatal or debilitating diseases that are easily preventable. Seeing neighbors' children die of polio would no doubt remove most parents' concerns about artificial ingredients in vaccines and would dispel myths about breast-fed children and/or children with healthy immune systems not needing them.

Especially if the alternative is losing custody of your kids, why would you not?

Pediatrician in question lived in a different era (obviously) when 1) there were a FRACTION of the number of vaccines that are now mandatory (or at least on the "recommended schedule"); 2) medicine had not evolved to what it is today to help any of these diseases; and 3) sanitary living wasn't as prevalent in this country as it is today. My grandmother who has since passed away was a nurse and thought that the number of vaccines alone was horrifying to give to an infant, and said that many of the illnesses she saw back then weren't nearly as damning as they make them out to be. And gram was seriously as mainstream as they come. She noted the way that these diseases turned into a deadly problem--how people then often didn't even go SEE doctors until it was out of control and that back then, even if the medical knowledge existed--they often came too late.

I'm not questioning the value of polio vaccine. I'm saying that you can't compare then to now because it's simply not the same. Hell, our BIOLOGY isn't even the same based on more than one generation's worth of crap eating. See the Potter Cats study to see how this affects our overall ability to fight off illness and therefore how susceptible we may be/are to complications of vaccinating.

And to say these illnesses have been irradicated by vaccines is false. Time magazine did a study a few years ago showing that even the plague is still alive and well TODAY. I was stunned to see some of the stuff they showed. But the US media (supported heavily by pharma advertising) isn't going to allow THAT to be reported. :
post #17 of 93
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Originally Posted by heatherdeg View Post
: I'm a foster parent. I know that if they somehow managed to get a judge to agree to removal (which I can't imagine, but hey--there are the exceptions) then they'd absolutely have orders to have them vaxed up to date like every other foster kid in the system.






Pediatrician in question lived in a different era (obviously) when 1) there were a FRACTION of the number of vaccines that are now mandatory (or at least on the "recommended schedule"); 2) medicine had not evolved to what it is today to help any of these diseases; and 3) sanitary living wasn't as prevalent in this country as it is today. My grandmother who has since passed away was a nurse and thought that the number of vaccines alone was horrifying to give to an infant, and said that many of the illnesses she saw back then weren't nearly as damning as they make them out to be. And gram was seriously as mainstream as they come. She noted the way that these diseases turned into a deadly problem--how people then often didn't even go SEE doctors until it was out of control and that back then, even if the medical knowledge existed--they often came too late.

I'm not questioning the value of polio vaccine. I'm saying that you can't compare then to now because it's simply not the same. Hell, our BIOLOGY isn't even the same based on more than one generation's worth of crap eating. See the Potter Cats study to see how this affects our overall ability to fight off illness and therefore how susceptible we may be/are to complications of vaccinating.

And to say these illnesses have been irradicated by vaccines is false. Time magazine did a study a few years ago showing that even the plague is still alive and well TODAY. I was stunned to see some of the stuff they showed. But the US media (supported heavily by pharma advertising) isn't going to allow THAT to be reported. :
Heatherdeg, there never was a vaccine for plague; I'm not sure why you'd even mention plague in a discussion of vaccines. Plague is a bacteria and it's treated with antibiotics.

I'm also not sure why the SAD would make people *less* susceptible to illness?

Most illnesses, including polio, don't show *severe* symptoms until things have progressed pretty far, so I'm not sure how that would be different today. Polio often presents with flu-like symptoms I believe, and measles is contagious for several days before you show symptoms.
post #18 of 93
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Originally Posted by Jeannine View Post
I read an article a while ago in my mom's Saturday Evening Post, by a pediatrician who was a child during the height of the polio scare. He thinks it's wonderful that vaccinations have eradicated so many things, that many parents today feel safe not vaccinating their kids. But at the same time, he pointed out that not experiencing the trauma of things like polio has made an entire generation of parents consider it optional to protect their children from potentially fatal or debilitating diseases that are easily preventable. Seeing neighbors' children die of polio would no doubt remove most parents' concerns about artificial ingredients in vaccines and would dispel myths about breast-fed children and/or children with healthy immune systems not needing them.

Especially if the alternative is losing custody of your kids, why would you not?
Then there are those of us who don't feel safe vaccinating because it is known that viruses were passed into the human population through the rushed polio vaccine.
post #19 of 93
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Originally Posted by Jeannine View Post
I read an article a while ago in my mom's Saturday Evening Post, by a pediatrician who was a child during the height of the polio scare. He thinks it's wonderful that vaccinations have eradicated so many things, that many parents today feel safe not vaccinating their kids. But at the same time, he pointed out that not experiencing the trauma of things like polio has made an entire generation of parents consider it optional to protect their children from potentially fatal or debilitating diseases that are easily preventable. Seeing neighbors' children die of polio would no doubt remove most parents' concerns about artificial ingredients in vaccines and would dispel myths about breast-fed children and/or children with healthy immune systems not needing them.

Especially if the alternative is losing custody of your kids, why would you not?
I understand where you're coming from.....but you have to understand, you are NOT getting the whole picture on the role of vaccines in our world these days. The reason my babies will never ever be vaccinated, is not because of "artificial ingredients" - it's because vaccinations are poison, poison.

Our food supply is *HOPELESSLY* contaminated....and soon to become even more so. (Look up codex compliance, and try to eat anything without your stomach turning after December 2009)

Our water supply is *HOPELESSLY* contaminated

Our homes, schools and offices are *HOPELESSLY* contaminated with all of the chemicals and antibacterial sprays used to keep them "clean"....some of these antibacterial sprays are so bad....don't use things like 409, etc around food surfaces, some of them take up to a year to leave the surface...and that's if you spray it ONCE.

As far as I can see....my child is bombarded at all sides by cancerous, immune supressing poisons. Did you ever stop to wonder, why so many women are having such troubelconceiving these days? Did you ever stop to wonder why cancer rates are through the roof, every year going up up up?? Our food, water and air are poisonous...if I can choose to have one less poison, injected into my child...I'm going to do that.

The "research" we have proving the safety of vaccines is bogus. Look who pays for it, and decide if you think it's fair and unbiased. You need to get it through your head that the government, pharma industry and big business *do.not.care.about.you.* and furthermore, that they do NOT care about your children. You cannot allow someone to inject somthing into your childs arm, because "they"say it's safe. "THEY" also say that flouride in your water is safe....do you know, that the form of flouride used in our water supply to "help our teeth" is not even the naturally occuring flouride that helps prevent tooth decay??

That's right. The flouride that is in our water supply, is a waste product that for many many years, big business was paying an arm and a leg to dispose of, because of how nasty it is, which is now sold to the government at about a 20,000% markup, and put into our water supply. It is TOXIC. It is SO toxic, that in laboratory testing on rats, animals exposed to this flouride died...EVERY time. It is actually USED in rat and cockroach extermination.

Do you know who first had the idea of using flouride in drinking supplies?? Well, the russians loved using it in their concentration camps...but the Nazis took their testing to whole new limits and, after discovering that prisoners who were given flouride through their water supply were fuzzy headed, distrated and very much more compliant, used it ALL the time....saying that with it, they would take over whole populations...because they would be too fuzzy headed to fight back.

The real problem is, that most of the companies who supply water to municipalities, also put aluminum in the water to make it look better...the only thing more dangerous than flouride, is aluminum WITH flouride....direct links have been made to many many diseases on the dementia spectrum, etc...this is nasty, nasty stuff....but if you ask the government...it's PERFECTLY safe. Just like vaccines...."trust us".

Well, I don't. This country is run by money, NOT by consience...the only person who cares about my kids, are me and my family and friends. The government does not care about you, the government is a corporation...stop believing that they are here for your protection because they are not.

As a PP stated....they actually DID inject people, PURPOSEFULLY with viruses through vaccines that they billed as "life saving" and "for the children!".

Wake up. Wake up. Stop trusting your health to those who have time and time again shown you that they don't care about it. It's about money. Disease has become a very very profitable trade....cancer being the most profitable of all time. Please start doing your own research and for GOODNESS sake, do not look to mainstream sources...they are bought and paid for. Please note, that the same people who get you frightened about all of the illnesses you vaccinate against, are the same people who DIRECTLY benefit every time your child gets a shot. It's money...it's not to you....but to them, it's about money. Do a quick search on childhood cancer trends in the last decade or two, and tell me that something is not wrong here...come on.

All I can say is....if someone wants to make money off of a sick population...they are going to have to pry the health of *my children* out of my cold dead hands.
post #20 of 93
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Did you ever stop to wonder why cancer rates are through the roof, every year going up up up??
Would you mind providing a source for that? The last report I read said that overall cancer rates started declining through the 90s.
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