May 2009 Charting to Avoid Thread - Page 27

[HulaJenn]

Let me see if I understand the difference between method failure and user failure- Method failure is if you did everything right but the method still didn't work, and user failure is if you didn't use the method right?

Temp a little down but still above what coverline FF would give if I have another temp the same. We'll see what temp i get tomorrow and then i am also curious about the length of my LP.

[texaspeach]

Originally Posted by HulaJenn

Let me see if I understand the difference between method failure and user failure- Method failure is if you did everything right but the method still didn't work, and user failure is if you didn't use the method right?

Yes. If you take a chance and DTD even though you know it's 'against the rules' of CTA, that's a user failure. Or if you DTD thinking you're safe but look back and realize you misinterpreted something and weren't safe it's a user failure because you made a mistake. Or if you're using withdrawal and don't make it out in time, that's a user failure. In our case, we DTD 2x in a 12 hr period with withdrawal, which is against the 'rules' of it, so that's a user failure on our part. If you follow the rules exactly and have a pregnancy, that's a method failure. User errors are pretty common while method failures aren't. The weak link in all birth control is the person(s) using it.

[eirual]

Well ladies, I'm pretty sure I'm still in the CTA camp. I'm getting low temps with EWCM now, so I think MarineWife was right in suggesting that I watch for fertile signs that I may not have ovulated yet...could be cycsts or my thyroid acting up, I have a Dr.s appt Tuesday, so may get some answers. I guess this is what you get for being off of your charting game- a curveball with no data to shed any light on the matter! I'm going to go out and get a new thermometre that looks nothing like my other two and start fresh!

[luvmi2kids]

Texaspeach--- You said it Girl!! You put it so well!! I believe that 100%, Ya my husband and I were just in Vegas and well it happend 4x in less than 24 hr Period, with withdrawal, (trust me that doesn't happen any other place than Vegas) I was on day 11-12 and I don't Ovulate till day 16-18 so I think that Im good!! My husband and I keep Joking that if i do end up Pregnant that I will have to get a Shirt that says "Made in Vegas" or "What happend in Vegas, didn't stay in Vegas"

I am on day 26 and just having a waiting Game Doesn't bother us either way!!! My cycle is usually 30-31, so have 4- 5 more days!

[Virginia884]

10DPO here. Temp is still up and no AF drop yet. Happy Memorial Day! Thank you to all you military ladies and wives for your sacrifices!

Question for you all... should I start pre-natal vitamins now? We have a really lax attitude about CTA and an oops! would be great right now. I'm just worried about my bad nutrition.

Any brand recommendations? How much do those suckers cost?

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by Virginia884

Question for you all... should I start pre-natal vitamins now? We have a really lax attitude about CTA and an oops! would be great right now. I'm just worried about my bad nutrition.

Any brand recommendations? How much do those suckers cost?

If you think a pregnancy is a real possibility, I'd suggest you go ahead and take prenatals. I have continued taking them since ds3 was born. I think I continued taking them after ds2, also. It's recommended since I'm breastfeeding.

My acupuncturist recommends Rainbow Light prenatals. I can't take them because they make me sick, which is funny because they contain herbs that supposedly help with nausea. I don't know the cost. If you go to your doc, explain the situation and ask for a script, you might be able to get them cheaper. I pay less for my script prenatals than the OTC ones.

[MovingMomma]

I take Rainbow Lights. MW, did you try the one a days? They might be easier on the stomach than, what is it, 6 a day? They have them at the commissary! Virginia, I think it's a good practice to take a prenatal whenever there's a possibility of pregnancy.

[HulaJenn]

Virginia - you may have to experiment with different kinds of prenatals. Some are more prone to constipation during early pregnancy and some brands of vitamins make that worse and some don't. They vary in price, but if you are covered by insurance, get your doc to write an rx for them and then most insurance companies will pay for them . :-)

AFM I got crosshairs today! 3dpo. So does this mean DH and I are safe to DTD without backup? What about some people that can ovulate twice in 1 cycle? (or does that still happen on the same ovulation day, just 2 eggs?)

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by MovingMomma

I take Rainbow Lights. MW, did you try the one a days? They might be easier on the stomach than, what is it, 6 a day? They have them at the commissary!

Yes. I was so excited to see them at the commissary. Alas, even those made me nauseous and I always take all my vitamins after a meal because it's worse on an empty stomach. I even tried taking them right before bed. It didn't help. I can take the nasty, pink, who-knows-what's-in-them prenatals at bedtime without a problem so that's what I'm stuck with.

Originally Posted by HulaJenn

AFM I got crosshairs today! 3dpo. So does this mean DH and I are safe to DTD without backup? What about some people that can ovulate twice in 1 cycle? (or does that still happen on the same ovulation day, just 2 eggs?)

The rule is, if you've had at least 4 days of cf dry up, you are safe after 6 pm tonight. If you aren't sure about your cf, you may want to wait one more day. I've always just used temps to confirm O and not worried about my cf after a clear and sustained thermal shift.

If you were to release 2 eggs in one cycle, it would occur within the same 24 hour period. An egg only survives 6-12 hours after O, I believe, although it may be as much as 24 hours. So, by the evening of the 3rd day of your thermal shift, you would be safe.

[twilight girl]

And, finally, I believe I have O´d. If anyone would be so kind as to take a peek ... what do you think CD 17 or 18?

And, Virginia, just to echo, definitely start a prenatal. It´s best to have higher levels of folic acid in your system before you conceive anyway ... so pre'n´s or a folic acid supp. would be a good idea!

[BarefootScientist]

Twilight - I vote for CD 17. Yay for O!

Virginia - I agree with the others that you should take prenatals if you think pregnancy is likely. That said, though, if you wait until you're sure, absolutely no big deal. You'll be no more than 4 weeks when you find out for sure, and all the important neurological development and such happens after that. I can't recommend a prenatal brand, because I can't take iron so most of them are out. : Right now I take my vitamins "a la carte" including a folic acid and calcium. I probably wouldn't change that regimen with pregnancy.

HulaJenn - what MW said. Dang she is good at answering questions.

[twilight girl]

Originally Posted by BarefootScientist

Twilight - I vote for CD 17. Yay for O!

Thank you for playing!

And, yes, Yay for O!! We are so freaking stressed out over here these days (very strapped for cash until coffee payments start coming in, and an international move in 24 days!!), that it will be nice to DTD with wanton abandon by the time DH gets home tomorrow night!!

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by BarefootScientist

Twilight - I vote for CD 17. Yay for O!

Me, too.

[Virginia884]

Thanks for the info ladies. I don't know if I will start vits or not; DH is really good about finding out what we can ansd cannot do. He's the responsible one in our relationship! I just don't think it could hurt at all, except for in the wallet.

I think it was Heather who said a long LP is a pain... my temp is still up 12 DPO and I'm agreeing with you! On one hand I'm happy for a nice LP, but on the other I wish AF would just get here so I can stop worrying (read 'daydreaming that I'm preggo').

[MarineWife]

12 days isn't really long. Actually, it's on the short end. My lp is usually 12 days long.

[Virginia884]

Originally Posted by MarineWife

12 days isn't really long. Actually, it's on the short end. My lp is usually 12 days long.

Oh, I know 12 DPO isn't that long, but I just thought that after 3 years of hbc and this ridiculously long cycle my LP would be screwy, too, like 8 days long.

Plus, what I really wonder about is if P&P will work for us; we've never used it for BC before. There's no guarantee for every man that withdrawl works, is there? And we did DTD on O day..... can you tell I have baby fever and am crossing my fingers for an oops?!?

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by Virginia884

Oh, I know 12 DPO isn't that long, but I just thought that after 3 years of hbc and this ridiculously long cycle my LP would be screwy, too, like 8 days long.

Plus, what I really wonder about is if P&P will work for us; we've never used it for BC before. There's no guarantee for every man that withdrawl works, is there? And we did DTD on O day..... can you tell I have baby fever and am crossing my fingers for an oops?!?

I don't think hbc would effect lp length after going off it. It can affect when you O but your lp should be normal.

I'm not picking on you but I have to say something here. I can't stand it when people call the withdrawal method pull & pray. For some reason, that diminishes or demeans the method to me. It is a true, bona fide bc method that does work. The only barrier/spermicide method that has better stats, whether method or user, is condoms and that only has a 1% better efficacy rate.

From what I read, the only reason withdrawal wouldn't work for every man would be if they didn't have the control needed to withdraw in time. It works better for older men who have more knowledge and experience. There's no guarantee for any method.

[heather719]

Virginia: yeah it was me who made the comment about a long LP. I think its just bad when we are hoping for an Oops! lol I love the idea about the shirts though. I am keeping my fingers crossed for you just so you can get the shirt! LOL.

MarineWife: I think the P&P term originated with the high school aged demographic... hence inexperienced and uneducated. I just think its kinda funny and I do think a couple people on this board got PG with botched withdrawls... If I remember correctly yours wasnt though, right? Anyhow, I totally respect the offensiveness of the term and hadnt thought of it that way. I hereby relinquish the term.

Question: high temps vs. low temps... estrogen keeps your temp low, right? I wonder if boob size correlates with this. I am a 32B and a small B at that (and am almost 6'1" - out of proportion in my opinion) and have high temps. Could that signify low estrogen = small boobs = high temps? Just a thought.

[BarefootScientist]

Originally Posted by heather719

Question: high temps vs. low temps... estrogen keeps your temp low, right? I wonder if boob size correlates with this. I am a 32B and a small B at that (and am almost 6'1" - out of proportion in my opinion) and have high temps. Could that signify low estrogen = small boobs = high temps? Just a thought.

Interesting idea! Tiny boobs here tho, and low temps.

[annie2186]

heather - my SIL has super small boobs and her temps are really low. ALTHOUGH she is super small/skinny so it might not be out of proportion for her.

Who knows???

That isn't in any book? WHY some women have such clear shifts and some don't? high vs. low? Kinda weird - it seems like someone would have looked into it....