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post #1 of 21
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I'm so confused!!!
I know, I know I should have started researching all this sooner!
I know there are a couple of CD threads already and I'm just so confused. I don't want to spend a small fortune on things I don't like and I feel like I almost have to just to find out what I DO like!
*sigh*
Has anyone (everyone? ) faced this dilemma down? What did you do?
It just seems like there's so much information to absorb, yk?
post #2 of 21
I have! Um, my solution so far is to ignore it and hope it goes away. Maybe I'd better keep watching this thread.

Oh, and someone please tell me that my mother is right and I'll get over the grossness factor quickly. Thanks.

p.s. Somewhere there's a deal where you can try some different styles for 3 weeks for $10. I'll try to find the link again. I think that's going to be my solution. I'm probably not going to buy until she's out of newborn sizes, unless she's really tiny when she's born.
post #3 of 21
Personally, I prefer to use disposables for the first month or so until I am up to the extra laundry. While diapers don't add up to a huge amount of laundry, I just like to give myself a break while I'm healing from birth. Plus, they just poop so darn much that first month--about a dozen diapers or so a day! Of course, there will be 6 people in our family after this baby is born and that's a lot of laundry anyway!

Another thing, is that I am CHEAP so I don't like to spend a bunch on newborn CDs that the baby will outgrow in a month or so.

When I started CDing, I bought used diapers of different styles in order to see what I liked. I used E-bay (don't know if you can buy used on there anymore??) and Craigslist.

Also, I use the diaper liners that you can buy online from Walmart. Kushies liners. They are a lifesaver as far as simple clean up of chunky poops--I can't bring myself to throw breastmilk curd poops into the washer (just my personal preference). The paper liner catches the poop and you just flush it. No dunking--which really grosses me out when my babies start solids.

It's fun figuring out your diapering system! Accept that you probably are going to buy products that you aren't going to like. You'll figure out your own system soon enough!
post #4 of 21
My solution for CD is diaper service. I don't know if it's just something we can get here in the Bay Area (CA) but, it's the best of both worlds for me. They deliver once weekly, you buy a pail for the dirties, some covers (I buy the prowrap ones), some snappi clips and you're good to go. They take away the dirty diapers and wash them for you. With the shared laundry situation in our apartment (one washer/dryer, three households, 14 people), there's NO way I could ever do CD on my own.
Your baby's bottom will thank you for doing this. Even if you don't do it exclusively (we used disposables for some outings, but were almost exclusively CD until about 9 mos old). Good luck!
post #5 of 21

Cloth Diapering 101

Here is a cloth spiel I email to my doula clients if they are interested in cloth. I havent tried the links in a while so if they dont work let me know.

Cost
Although the inital costs are much higher for cloth diapers, the savings in the long run are great.
The average baby, birth to potty training will use 9,000 diapers. That is a cost of more than $1,200 per year not including wipes! There are also lots of toxic chemicals in diapers that are used to make them absorbant.
http://www.ecobaby.com/cloth.htm
http://www.mothering.com/articles/ne...-of-cloth.html

You would need about 30-40 diapers for a newborn, about 24-36 small and maybe 18-26 mediums and larges along with 1 cover for every 4-6 diapers unless you are using wool then you would need less. You could spend anywhere from $100 just prefolds and covers to $1,000 if you went crazy with diapers and accessories until your child was potty trained, which is usually 6mo to a year shorter than a kid that uses disposables, you can use them for multiple children, AND you can sell them and get some money back.
Here is a cost calculator.


Types
Flats -These diapers are just one layer of fabric that you fold and pin on your baby. They are the most versatile for fitting, but have a huge learning curve. Not for everyone. These also require a cover which I will talk about later.

Prefolds(PF, UBCPF) -This is what most people think of when they think about cloth diapers. Those Gerber prefolds in the store are not designed to be used as cloth diapers. Honestly they are there as a deterant in my opinion. Making people steer clear of cloth but the underground world of cloth is so much better that even prefolds are cool. Here is what a prefold should look like prefold instructions. Now the biggest thing to hit prefolds is the snappi, seen further down on that page. It secures the prefold without pins. I have learned to love these things. They fit a wide range of sizes and shapes. They do require a cover.

Fitteds -The description says it all, they are designed to fit the baby with contoured leg cutouts. No folding required! These can have snaps, velcro, or use the snappi to secure them. There are lots of varietys and brands of these. They are quickly becoming my favorite type of diaper. These also require a cover.

Pockets -These diapers usually have a water-proof outer layer, an inner layer of stay dry absorbant fabric that will be on babies skin, and a pocket in the back between the two layers. Most pocket diapers can be purchased with inserts especially for that diaper or you can put whatever you want in there, prefolds, washcloths, anything, lol. They can have velcro or snap closures. This type of diaper dries really fast has customized absorbancy and when pre-stuffed they are just as easy to use as a disposable. Great for outings, babysitters and others pre-stuffed. These do not require a cover.

All in Ones or Twos (AIO)-These diapers are the most similar to a disposable. They contain the outer water-proof layer, the inner absorbing material, and the stay dry liner all in one (or two which means they snap in). They are usually the most expensive and they take the longest to dry, but you cannot beat the simplicity. Great for outings, babysitters and others. These can have velcro or snap closures.

One Size (OS)-Some brands of fitteds, pockets and all-in-ones come in a one-size diaper. This means you could use that single diaper from birth to potty training. They usually have a snapping system that adjusts to the height of your baby as they grow. And the velcro or snap system that goes out with the width.

Covers
All diapers without the waterproof outer layer are usually used with a cover (unless you are going to change your baby as soon as they go, you can get by without it). You will probably need 4-6 covers for 24 hour diapering. Less if using wool exclusively since it does not need to be washed just air dried between usage.

Polyurethane laminate -This is a material that is most commonly used in covers it is a cloth with a special lamination that prevents leaks. There are tons of different types of these and they are easy to use. Most have velcro, snaps or they slide on, this is true of all covers.

Fleece -This is used for its water-fearing nature. It is very breathable and waterproof.

Wool -Wool now is tons better than the itchy stuff we used to wear as kids. It is the most breathable cover option, super soft for babies and the most absorbant. You dont even have to wash it after each use. I cannot even go into detail about all the benefits of wool. Lots of mamas knit wool soakers, shorties, longies and skirties at home for pretty cheap.

Materials
Seriously cloth diapers can be made of anything. Cotton, cotton blends, fleece, hemp, velour, bamboo, minky, wool, and polyurethane laminate to name a few. The most absorbant are hemp, bamboo and minky. Bamboo and velour are sooo soft, wool is breathable, fleece is waterproof, and cotton is absorbing.

Accessories
Wipes -Well if you are going to use cloth diapers you might as well use cloth wipes! You can buy them, or you could use baby wash clothes. That is what I do, I had 12 white washclothes and I just use those. Someone just gave me ten real cloth wipes so I might invest in a couple more, they are so soft. 2-3 dozen is a good number to have. No point in throwing a wipe in the garbage on top of throwing the diaper in the pail. You could just throw the whole mess in the pail.

Diaper pail -You will need a place to put dirty diapers. You could use a regular trashcan with a lid and buy a pail liner. Pail liners are waterproof, and one paticular brand, Wahmies makes them with a piece of cloth to put lavendar or tea tree oil on to eliminate the smells. Once the pail is full take the liner and dump the liner and the dipes in the wash. Thats it.

Sprayer -If your baby is not exclusively breastfed you will probably need one of these. It hooks on to your toilet and sprays pressurized water to remove poop from diapers. No dunking or soaking necessary. Exclusively breastfed poo can go straight to the washing machine.

Travel bag -Just a smaller version of the pail liner to use while on the road.

Wipe solution -This is a special solution made to be antibacterial and antifungal. It can come in a concentrate, blocks, or you can make it yourself. You can put it in a wipes bin or a bottle sprayer.

Disposable liners -if you dont want to deal with poop at all you can buy disposable liners that are made out of paper and just peel it into the toilet.

Wool care -If you use wool covers you will need a special wash, and lanolin, the easiest available form of lanolin is in lanisoh the cream made for breastfeeding mothers. Wool only needs to be washed if it gets poo on it otherwise they should be handwashed every 2-4 weeks. Lanolizing can be done at the same time as the wash, but that is too much for me to explain (it is really easy to do though).

Doublers -This is just the diapering worlds way of saying extra material to increase absorbancy. That is just what they do, and they come in all the different materials listed above.

Washing
Everybody washes differently but the most important thing about washing diapers is that you need to use a detergent with nothing extra in it. No brighteners, stain removers or scents because they could cause a build up which will ruin your diapers absorbancy. Different diapers have different instructions but in general you want to wash as hot as you can and do more than one rinse. Most are machine dryable unless the manufacturer state otherwise. If you get stains sit the diapers in the sun for a few hours. They will be gone, I promise. Here is a detergent chart.

Check Diaperswappers.com for used diapers and more in depth help. Hope this helps you guys. Or maybe you are even more overwhelmed .
post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 
Haven't finished reading your post yet.
What are these:
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soakers, shorties, longies and skirties


ETA: Thank you so much for the post, iana! It was incredibly informative and so simplified, even I could understand it. It's so nice to be able to see the choices laid out so briefly and with such good descriptions of each.
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by Quate View Post
Oh, and someone please tell me that my mother is right and I'll get over the grossness factor quickly.

Your mother is right and you'll get over the grossness factor quickly. As in immediately. I'm amazed at how I'm not grossed out at all.
post #8 of 21
"I know, I know I should have started researching all this sooner!"

Really, that would just have given you more time to drive yourself nuts pondering unknowns.

I have stash of NB dipes built up from my previous 2 kids and dipes gifted to me by other mamas who are done having kids, so I'll be CDing from the start. But with my first child, I bought "Smalls" because NBs seemed like a waste and wound up scrounging around on the internet for used NBs because sorry, no, a Small does not fit most neonates. It was totally stressful.

The thing about tiny babies is that they don't pee all that much volumewise, so you don't have to go nuts looking for the most absorbent dipes for NB stage. My favorite NB dipe is the Kushies Ultra AIO. They are totally crappy diapers in larger sizes, but so cute and easy on a NB! As you can see, they retail for $10 new. Used is significantly cheaper (here on MDC, Diaperswapper or Ebay), and you can totally get by with 10-12 of them if you wash every day and have a package of NB sposies on hand for any emergencies. They are also very easy to wash and dry in a reasonable amount of time.

For long-term success, everything depends on the shape and elimination habits of the baby, AND having a system that doesn't make you crazy with its washing/stuffing/drying/hanging requirements. For instance, after years of Fuzzi Bunz with my ds I can no longer face the prospect of stuffing dipes every day. However, having moved from a nasty wet climate to a hot dry climate and acquiring a screen porch, I'm now totally fine with hanging up covers, so the Little Beetles my friend gave me will get some heavy rotation with the newborn, and hopefully I will also be happy to use the various small fitteds I've acquired over the years with the small covers that have come my way.

For Medium (a long long phase with my first dd, and I wouldn't be surprised if this one was also a shrimp), I am going to invest in new diapers - BumGenuis 3.0s. I have one from dd#1, so if it fits dd#2 then I will feel free to order! It looks like I'll be able to get a dozen for under $200 - hopefully way under if I can catch a nice sale!

Skirties are little wool shorts sewn in an attached skirt, typically worn over a fitted dipe. They are ubercute. I tend to dislike wool, but I might have a skirtie or two for days when I do fitted dipes, just beacuse they are so darn cute.

What this post has doubtless taught you is that people who have CDed for a long time are crazy zealots about various brands when buying, and simultaneously willing to use anything that they are gifted by a retired CDer. Take from that what you will.
post #9 of 21
I'm using a diaper service too. They drop off cleans and pick up dirties weekly. I ordered 80 per week, the average for newborns according to the lady that runs the diaper service. I have bought the diaper pail, and some different covers that I've heard positive things about. I bought snappis and things like that too. My cousin also just gave me a package of disposables for newborns, as other moms who CD have told me that sometimes it's easier to use sposies (or at least some) for the first month until the cloth ones fit better. So we'll see... I hope I've got everything together!
post #10 of 21
Oh look, skirties also come in fleece!

I totally need one or six of those
post #11 of 21
You got some great advice already!! My suggestion is to forget about the fancy dipes and start with prefolds/covers till you get to know your babies wetting habits and skin type. Then you can branch out. Never buy into a system without trying one or two first. Everyone likes something different, but the one constant is prefolds. Theres a reason they've been around since the dark ages!!

I have prefolds and PUL covers pretty much exclusively for the first 6 months.
After putting a couple prefolds on Finn, I decided to cave and buy a pack of sposies to give myself some time to relax. CD's need to be changed almost hourly for a newborn and I cannot do that right now. SO for the next week or so he is in sposies and then when I am more mobile I can take on the cloth.
post #12 of 21
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Oh look, skirties also come in fleece!

I totally need one or six of those
Thanks for that link! I think I'm totally in love with CDs now just because of the possibilities.

Thanks for the advice. I think I'll be digging around on the used sites here soon and probably picking up a couple of Snappis, a pack of prefolds and a couple of covers when we go to Fletcher's.
I think DH is basing his opinion of CDs on the Gerber's "diapers" we have (I bought "for emergencies" with DS2 and we used once, without a cover or anything to actually CLOSE them)- which annoys me because I told him both then and now that those aren't *good* CDs (not to even mention the 2nd 2 points).
At this point, I'm sort of ignoring brand names, more because they tend to overwhelm me and because everyone is going to have their own preference than anything else.
post #13 of 21
You could try something like this before you commit to a big cash outlay....

alsoSarah
post #14 of 21
OMG skirties! ! ! ! Thank you for that link... which is going to make it a lot harder to stick to my resolution to not buy anything new this time around...

... and for the entire thread being a reminder that I need to get my NB stash back! (DD1 used it, then I supplemented with a few more fitteds and passed them all along to a friend, and then 4 months ago another friend had a much smaller baby than she was expecting and really needed size NB stuff... I sure hope that baby has grown out of those diapers because I'm going to need them back!
post #15 of 21
I was feeling overwhelmed about the huge number of choices for cloth diapers too, but after lots of internet research and thinking over what I hope will work for us, here's what I came up with (stolen from my post in one of the other May DDC CD threads, found here):

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Originally Posted by trauerweidchen View Post
I've spent so much time and consideration trying to get a good newborn/infant stash, that I've probably over-thought the whole thing! For the time being, we're only trying prefolds and covers but I'll probably add a few fitteds/all-in-ones at some point. So, to date, we have:

-12 GMD (Green Mountain Diapers) bleached orange-edge newborn prefolds
-12 GMD unbleached periwinkle edge prefolds (infant sized; they've been discontinued but are an intermediate size between orange and yellow edge, and I got them on clearance)
-23 GMD bleached yellow edge prefolds (23 because we were just at the shipping cap )
-12 GMD unbleached flats (I've heard they're large for newborns, but I want to try them when the babe is a bit bigger)

For covers, we have:

-3 newborn Litewraps
-1 newborn Bummis Super snap (newborn)
-1 newborn wrap-style wool cover, hand-knitted (I love to knit and am hoping to really like wool so I can make most of our covers from now on!)

-1 small Bummis Super Whisper Wrap
-1 small Thirsties cover
-1 pull-up style knitted wool cover (hand-knitted)
-1 small wrap-style wool cover (hand-knitted)

I'm still planning on knitting another few covers; I thought I'd make wool shorties in size small, so I can use them on the newborn if they aren't too huge, and maybe one more newborn size wool cover if I get my rear in gear. I still have to finish my third pair of baby socks too, though... and time is running out!

We've also got 30 cloth wipes, one wet bag, one changing pad, one pail liner, 2 Snappis, a small set of diaper pins, and four GMD small hemp doublers. I've prepped everything and am excited to actually try using everything! I keep vacillating between thinking I have too much and thinking I don't have enough. We'll figure it out quickly, I'm sure.
The rest of the thread I linked to above has some other good examples of starting stashes for cloth diapering, too. DiaperSwappers is a good website, but it can be confusing until you know what you're looking for, so most of my inital choices I made by looking at the Green Mountain Diaper website. GMD diapers seem to be of high quality and hold their value fairly well, too, which is part of why I decided to go with them to start with.

Oh, and soakers/shorties/longies are wool diaper covers/shorts/pants, respectively.
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by Smithie View Post
Oh look, skirties also come in fleece!

I totally need one or six of those
Those skirties are adorable!!!!
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by Quate View Post

Oh, and someone please tell me that my mother is right and I'll get over the grossness factor quickly. Thanks.
I guess this could just be personal point of view, but after using disposables for the first day or two of merconium and then switching to cloth, I find the cloth diapers less gross. They require so much less handling of the dirty ones.
post #18 of 21
I find it totally gross to have a container of poopy sposies in my house for days on end, instead of a load of dipes washing nightly in my washer. It's all a matter of perception...
post #19 of 21
One thing I'm discovering...

Do not underestimate a newborn's capability of pee and poop.

I got 18 prefolds, thinking that would be plenty since I'm washing daily.

Didn't realize how much she would love to wait until that clean diaper was under her butt and about to be folded up, before letting go another monster poo.

Sometimes we'll go through 2-3 diapers before a changing session is over.

So I'm starting to wish I'd gotten a round 2 dozen.
post #20 of 21
Seriously, now...

If anyone is still trying to figure out if or how to CD...

The prefold/cover way is AWESOME.

Been doing it for two weeks now, love it love it love it.

She had some diaper rash after a week of disposables, went away when we started the prefolds. Not having a problem with staining, only had one diaper that was a bit stained and the sun bleached it out perfectly-- and we're not using any really special detergent, just Purex "Free and Clear". It took about a day or two to get good at folding and fastening them, but now even her dad is good at it. I ended up liking the "twist" way of folding them, have had no problems with leaks AT ALL. Only twice, during a really bad blowout, has poo gotten on the cover itself, but it's never leaked out onto clothes. The snappis are incredible, I can't imagine trying to use pins because she wiggles so much during changing. I really thought it would be more difficult than this, but I'm shocked at how awesome it is and how glad I am that we're doing this. And every load of diapers I wash, I'm calculating in my head how much money I'm saving.


/end huge endorsement rant


it's ridiculous how happy I am about diapers, rotfl
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