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Debt rash (long, I'm chatty this a.m.)

post #1 of 16
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I've had three people recently look at me like I have two heads because of a way of seeing the world that makes perfect sense to me.

Dh's mom keeps bugging us to buy a bigger house nearer her (we live all of nine blocks away, that's apparently an unreasonable distance ). The thing is, we'd love to do it if we had the money, but we don't! She'll be all, "My neighbors are about to put their house on the market for only [insert twice what we can afford], you should check it out!" And I'm like, "WHERE DO YOU THINK WE ARE GOING TO GET THE MONEY FROM!?!?!?!?!?" Dh said to me that it isn't that she's delusional about how much we make, it's that she is more comfortable taking on debt than we are. Which is why she's still working even though she's nearly 67 and had planned on retiring two years ago. Yeah. I'm not going there. (Yes, I realize the economic crash was not MIL's fault. Just, you can't expect your plans to work out if they revolve around the economy always being good.)

Then, just this week, it happened twice more. I was telling a co-worker that dh would like to go back to school but we can't possibly afford to pay the bills without his full-time income, so he's going to wait until I'm out of school and hopefully making enough money to cover the bills. She asked, Why don't you just take out student loans? I was stunned. I managed to stammer, "Um, debt makes me break out in a rash." I mean, our only debt is the $32,000 we owe on our house and it bugs the heck out of me that we even owe that. I can't stand the thought of owing somebody something.

Finally, I openly admit that if I had my 'druthers, I would give birth to baby #2 in the same hospital with the same OB who helped me give birth to baby #1 (when we were still on Medicaid from dh having been unemployed), because that OB is a rock star and the staff are wonderful and I like being waited on hand and foot and not having to worry about what happens if I poop in bed during labor. Okay, I don't openly admit the poop part. But I admit that I'd prefer to have a hospital birth. However, we have no maternity coverage on our health insurance (which takes up an entire paycheck for me, btw) and there is absolutely no way we can afford to pay for a hospital birth out of pocket, so I'm planning a homebirth.

I was explaining this to a friend, and she told me she thought I was INCREDIBLY brave. I recited the spiel about home birth being just as safe as hospital birth, I have some non-medical pain relief techniques, and if anything does go wrong, I have trained midwives who will intervene if necessary. Plus, I live two blocks from a hospital (NOT the one I would like to give birth in) so if I was about to die or something they'd have me there in about thirty seconds. My friend said, I know about the safety part, it's just that most people wouldn't even think about having a homebirth, they'd go into debt to have a hospital birth. And I was like Because I'm the opposite, there's no way I'm going into debt to pay for something that's not necessary.

So am I smart, weird, un-American, or what? I like the debt rash idea. I'm just allergic to debt, that's the only explanation I can think to give people.
post #2 of 16
Your weird but your smart. Don't worry about what other want for you and do what you feel you need to.

With the little debt you have you are richer then most.
post #3 of 16
LOL..will you be my friend.
Around here, for those that can't get medicaid, one hospital offers a "prepay" cash package for birth...and you get no epidural, and the birth has to end up being straightforward vaginal, and it's like $4000...or you could pay the homebirth midwife, who is excellent, $2000......but no one ever thinks of doing that...oh no....
post #4 of 16
I don't think you are weird at all!

Debt of any kind totally sucks IMO...we are currently *almost* debt free and I'm SUPER excited about it. Yeah, it means turning down some fun stuff....but in the long run it'll be worth it. I mean, being able to have fun w/o "buyers remorse" is worth the wait!

$32k left on your house? I think that's awesome, honestly! I wouldn't trade that for a huge ol' mortgage any day! I'd rather live in a "cozy" place that's nearly paid for, kwim?
post #5 of 16
I would be your friend lol. I'm not sure that I would have talked publically about avoiding costs by having a hb b/c there is such a rude stereotype about that. : But I do agree that it is a good benefit.

I didn't give a 2nd thought about student loans until recently. I dug in and researched and IMO they are worse than credit card debt. Well, CC companies are definitely going sour now so I guess it's a hard choice.

Student loans affect the monthly cash flow due to their higher monthly payments. That is severely restrictive. I keep hearing fellow students mention student loans having lower rates than CCs, but that doesn't matter when you're a new graduate struggling to pay for housing, transportation, food, insurance and then a big dollop of student loans.

I have med school friends (I married instead of following them to med school lol) who are working in hospitals and carrying overnight/hourly wage jobs just to pay student loans. As in, moved back in with the parents lifestyle and work 80-90hrs a week.
post #6 of 16
Well, I'll be honest, I think it's a little weird that you were "stunned" at the very suggestion of taking out student loans. It's a pretty commonplace thing to do, and education is generally considered a good investment.
post #7 of 16
I think you're un-American, lol. Seriously, after 9/11, our PRESIDENT told us to go shopping. I'm w/ you--also un-American when it comes to debt, but from what I see the majority of the US is all about not just buy now, pay later, but buy now, think later.
post #8 of 16

We get the debt rash too.

And take it to extremes, in other people's eyes. We pretty much don't buy anything but necessities, and think for *months* before dropping $50 or $100 on something people would just charge to their card.
post #9 of 16
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Well, I'll be honest, I think it's a little weird that you were "stunned" at the very suggestion of taking out student loans. It's a pretty commonplace thing to do, and education is generally considered a good investment.
I did take out student loans to finance my own education when I was younger, and my mother and uncle helped me pay them off and my uncle is helping me with school again now, for which I am really really really really really really really really really really really really grateful. But I am stunned by the idea of suggesting that a 37-year-old family breadwinner who's been working full-time for 16 years suddenly quit his job and live off of student loans when in just a couple of years I will be able to help out much more. Oh, especially since when he gets out of school he isn't going to be earning any more money than he is now; I just want him to be able to find a job he doesn't hate.
post #10 of 16
YK you are technically un-American because that is the way it is in our county. I also hate debt, but in my recent thread I said how I was happy for once to take on a debt. Trust me if there was a different way for us to get a car, oh yeah we would have, but right now the market is a buyer's market for a car, so we did it.

My friend told me a couple years ago that it was just the American way to have debt, and that's what she learned from her Dad(what sad advice). Her and her DH's choices of debt strike me a extremely odd, they are always complaining about money and having none and yet make terrible decisions regarding finance. For us we really took a look at our financial picture and decided for us we needed to get a loan and buy a car with it. Of course I'd like to have the money saved, but that was not the reality. Our plan is to pay it off ASAP. Compared to most American's we have very little debt. One CC, a car payment, and a mortgage. I'd rather have none of that, but then I wouldn't have a home in this area, we'd be paying way more on rent here, and we wouldn't have a safe new car(our others were so scary, the door broke on my car today).
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by chinaKat View Post
Well, I'll be honest, I think it's a little weird that you were "stunned" at the very suggestion of taking out student loans. It's a pretty commonplace thing to do, and education is generally considered a good investment.
Depends on the degree. My Soon to be SIL has over $100,000 ( after her last two years it will be $120,000) for English/political science degree. How well do you think that will pay right out of school?..I worked with allot of English , history , art , communications bachelors,even masters , doctorate degrees at a health food store..I made more then them also..

I think like most things sold to us degrees are a cr@p shoot.
post #12 of 16
I think a lot of student loan debt is used as living money...vs. getting a crappy job and living in a dump while attending school. Most of the college kids I know (and I know a lot of them) get enough financial aid/grants to cover actual tuition...they just want to be bums and party on the weekends, not work.

Ps. No flames please. I'm not saying EVERYONE who takes out loans is a bum or the like...just all the kids I know around here...
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by beansmama View Post

$32k left on your house? I think that's awesome, honestly! I wouldn't trade that for a huge ol' mortgage any day! I'd rather live in a "cozy" place that's nearly paid for, kwim?
We only paid $39,000 for it in the first place 6 years ago, so, eh. I love knowing that we can afford it no matter what, but I am sick and tired of being cramped and crowded and squeezed and squished, especially when other people are here. I'm looking forward to being able to afford a bigger place.

Cozy may be in the mind of the beholder.
post #14 of 16
Hey there,
I went to school basically for free(state u) due to dad being a retired federal worker(navy yard beantown).......still didn't finish that bsn degree...rats.

If I had $$$ education would be where it would be spent, however, I feel that I've empowered my children to be independent. Just this weekend, upon offering education $$ to eldest daughter, the response was "I've got it covered"(via loans, grants, scholarships). Aid package will be covering living expenses which is a relief for her as she would like to work minimally during the school year to be able to maintain a high gpa.

Plans to work two pt jobs until school begins and no I wouldn't want her to live in crappy digs btdt in NZ where she worked in housekeeping at a hotel in Wellington to earn $$ to get to South Island(snowboarding, bungee jumping & working in candy shop,nanny for prediagnosed autistic boy) but still snow coming through the boards of house........priceless

So, not a flame but an example of a young person(22) who values education and is willing to pay for it. BTW, she homeschooled from age 8-until she decided to attend community college, achieved a 3.8 gpa and is an enrolled elementary ed/psych major at UVM beginning in the fall.
Big family mom here, ultimate goal college education if that's what suits them.
24 umass grad 09
22 uvm
20 cc amherst
18 umass
16 hs junior
11 middle school

[QUOTE=beansmama;13696015]I think a lot of student loan debt is used as living money...vs. getting a crappy job and living in a dump while attending school.
post #15 of 16
I'm with you - we're totally anti-debt. It so confuses our friends and family. Right now we're talkina bout getting a minivan and TTC #2, so we're saving up for maternity leave for DP and to pay cash for a used van. Everyone keeps telling us to just finance the car and live on CC's for the maternity leave. We only have one baby so we don't NEED the van - we have plenty of time to save! And I wouldn't live off CC's unless there was NO other option! And we bought a cheap house with a big downpayment and a 15year note so we won't be in debt for as long...

Also DP wants to go back to school at some point and everyone thinks we'll just live on student loans. I think that we will save, and that I will get a job, and that we will find some financial aid so we don't have to live on student loans!

Aparently I'm weird and unamerican too.
post #16 of 16
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Everyone keeps telling us to just finance the car and live on CC's for the maternity leave.
My BIL and SIL did this for their first child. We took the Dave Ramsey class , I was so sad to hear they were still paying on the balances from that 5 years later ( they had job losses some chosen and some not).
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