Originally Posted by philomom
Yes, all the strippers I know in real life put themselves through college that way. They used the system in place to get ahead. They took advantage of the patriarchy. It's not the choice I made, but its one I can understand.
This is kinda my point--you can't really "take advantage" of a system of discrimination such as a patriarchy, unless you are a patriarch/man. And I apologise if I offended any survivors of abuse, but I feel my point is still valid: if society as a whole has decided that women, children (and men/boys) can be sold to men for the fulfillment of their sexual desires, then no woman can truly choose to consent to stripping, porn, prostitution etc. There isn't a real choice to be made--society has already deemed it to be acceptable.
I should add that filming each other as consenting adults, erotic art, writings, etc. are totally fun and fine in my books. As is sex without strings attached, one night stands, friends with benefits etc. I just think that we can't separate the impact of one woman's perceived choice to strip or do porn from the impact upon women (and society) as whole: you may well be paying your way through college by stripping, but your actions are contributing to the dimunition and devaluation of all females and that's not what I wish for my daughters.
Until society changes, commercial pornography hurts women, and men, and children, and families--as does the Disney corp, girls gone wild, Hooters restaurants, Bratz dolls, ad nauseum. Sigh. It depresses me that something as fun and sweaty and gorgeous as sex has been so debased.
--Andrea, really enjoying the civil nature of the debate