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The thyroid hormone and thyroid gland together with iodine are the most important factors by far for completion of a normal pregnancy and normal baby. Iodine is put into the mother's milk by the lactating breast to levels that are 30 times the levels in the mother's blood. Iodine still has important functions in the child's brain development after birth.
I think it's time for me to order some Iodoral.
post #182 of 330
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Originally Posted by whoMe View Post
Prostaglandin thread

Understanding this one is going to be huge. At least for us I just don't have enough time to spend on it yet. Too much going on!
So I read your other thread and had to sign up for the beyondprice yahoo group to read the first link. Very interesting. But what's up with the Bruce Lee guy on that forum?
post #183 of 330
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Thanks. What's up with all the ammonia stuff? I think I totally missed that conversation or have since forgotten I read it.
calcium thread and glutamate thread. In short, ammonia (dietary protein) converts to glutamate, and glutamate opens up calcium ion channels, which on a bunch of processes that use up our detox resources.

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I'm looking for some good books about what we are doing. I want some light reading in the bathtub any recs?
The ultramind solution, The new childhood epidemics, and I want to see Yasko's Genetic Bypass. That one's next on my list.

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So I read your other thread and had to sign up for the beyondprice yahoo group to read the first link. Very interesting. But what's up with the Bruce Lee guy on that forum?
Yeah... He's more than a little nuts. TOTALLY entertaining, though
post #184 of 330
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I think it's time for me to order some Iodoral.
Yeah.. that's been on my list for a while too. I better get on it.
post #185 of 330
Nessa/Menomena,
It was suggested in another thread that I contact my local LLLL for some handouts on thyroid and breastfeeding... Are they online at all? My "local" LLL is an hour and a half away, so I've never actually been able to make it to a meeting (seeing as I don't drive and DH works constantly).
TIA for any information you can give me.
post #186 of 330
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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
Nessa/Menomena,
It was suggested in another thread that I contact my local LLLL for some handouts on thyroid and breastfeeding... Are they online at all? My "local" LLL is an hour and a half away, so I've never actually been able to make it to a meeting (seeing as I don't drive and DH works constantly).
TIA for any information you can give me.
I've got some from the Leader resources the LLLI site in PDF form I can find for you and email them. Are you hypo or hyperthyroid?

Additionally, you could search LLLI.org and see what pops up in the generally available resource area.

ETA:

for suspected hyperthyroid

for suspected hypothyroid

impact of thyroid disfunction on lactation
post #187 of 330
I have hypothyroidism. It totally tanked my supply with DS2 and I'm concerned how it will effect things this time around.
Thanks for the links.
I suppose I should probably also contact the IBCLC I worked with last time, huh?
post #188 of 330
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Haven't read but I'm jumping in real quick to ask a quick question. My kids have gotten the worst tartar buildup on the backs of their lower teeth since we started the SCD. My oldest has always been prone to build-up there, but they both have it very very thick. I actually have a dental scraper (it looks like a small crook, pointy at the end but not too sharp, and I started trying to scrape it off of my oldest's teeth, and it is thick. A small chunk of it popped off, but it made me nervous that I was going to poke his gum, so I stopped. Would you try to scrape it off, or get to the dentist?

And what in the world would cause this? It has got to be nutritional, but I don't necessarily think it's a lack of something, because it began to happen almost immediately after we started SCD. I'm leaning towards it being something more about the pH of the mouth? They were eating practically just meat, fat, and bananas in the very beginning. Any ideas?

And Tanya, is this why we need K2?
post #189 of 330
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Originally Posted by momofmine View Post
Quick question:
Haven't read but I'm jumping in real quick to ask a quick question. My kids have gotten the worst tartar buildup on the backs of their lower teeth since we started the SCD. My oldest has always been prone to build-up there, but they both have it very very thick. I actually have a dental scraper (it looks like a small crook, pointy at the end but not too sharp, and I started trying to scrape it off of my oldest's teeth, and it is thick. A small chunk of it popped off, but it made me nervous that I was going to poke his gum, so I stopped. Would you try to scrape it off, or get to the dentist?

And what in the world would cause this? It has got to be nutritional, but I don't necessarily think it's a lack of something, because it began to happen almost immediately after we started SCD. I'm leaning towards it being something more about the pH of the mouth? They were eating practically just meat, fat, and bananas in the very beginning. Any ideas?

And Tanya, is this why we need K2?

Just have to reply to myself and let you know that I went off to google "tartar build up nutrition" and 9 out of the 10 hits on the first page were about pets and animal dental health. Then of course I google just "tartar build up" to see the difference and I got all ten totally conventional dental wisdom. That's kind of crazy though, the hits that came up involving nutrition were more about our pets than our own teeth, because we all know nutrition has nothing to do with anything.
post #190 of 330
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Originally Posted by momofmine View Post
And what in the world would cause this? It has got to be nutritional, but I don't necessarily think it's a lack of something, because it began to happen almost immediately after we started SCD. I'm leaning towards it being something more about the pH of the mouth? They were eating practically just meat, fat, and bananas in the very beginning. Any ideas?

And Tanya, is this why we need K2?
Melvin Page says it's too much calcium/too little phosphorus in your blood. But I don't know how much you want to trust him
post #191 of 330
Its hard to sort out what precisely has made great strides for us, but I'm liking the Iodoral. My doc wants most pregnant lactating womyn on 37.5-60 mg of iodoral. I had to work up slowly to 37.5, and don't feel the need to increase anymore. Its definitely worth checking out. But remember, iodine detoxes halides... so you might notice some symptoms. Mine was serious fast irritability, which backed off when I slowed the dose. I've read that its easier on your adrenals to split doses across the day too. Oh, another symptom for me was constipation, relieved by eating apples.

AND, Streak has lost her plug. She's still calm and lazy, but I think the kid(s) will be here in 48 hours or less.
post #192 of 330
May 9th is full moon. I'm going to bet the 9th for Streak's kidding.
I still have my plug. I don't remember losing it with DS2 though...

So, I've been looking at the fact that I think I need oxytocin (based on the article that Nessa linked me to), tryptophan (for serotonin/melatonin) and dopamine.
One of the amino acids required for production of oxytocin is tyrosine, which is also necessary for production of dopamine... and the thyroid hormone thyroxine (T4) is bonded on, get this- tyrosine residues.
To produce tyrosine from phenylalanine, the body uses an enzyme called phenylalanine hydroxylase. This enzyme is related to both tyrosine hydroxylase (responsible for control of serotonin levels) and tryptophan hydroxylase (responsible for the control of dopamine levels). All three of these enzymes use.... wait for it! BH4 as a co-enzyme. Stupid ammonia.
Thought you all might like to hear this little bit of information.
post #193 of 330
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Originally Posted by mtn.mama View Post
Its hard to sort out what precisely has made great strides for us, but I'm liking the Iodoral. My doc wants most pregnant lactating womyn on 37.5-60 mg of iodoral. I had to work up slowly to 37.5, and don't feel the need to increase anymore. Its definitely worth checking out. But remember, iodine detoxes halides... so you might notice some symptoms. Mine was serious fast irritability, which backed off when I slowed the dose. I've read that its easier on your adrenals to split doses across the day too. Oh, another symptom for me was constipation, relieved by eating apples.

AND, Streak has lost her plug. She's still calm and lazy, but I think the kid(s) will be here in 48 hours or less.
I had planned to build up slowly, but it's so great to get specific suggestions and experiences from those who've already been there. Thanks, Lisa!
post #194 of 330
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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
So, I've been looking at the fact that I think I need oxytocin (based on the article that Nessa linked me to), tryptophan (for serotonin/melatonin) and dopamine.
One of the amino acids required for production of oxytocin is tyrosine, which is also necessary for production of dopamine... and the thyroid hormone thyroxine (T4) is bonded on, get this- tyrosine residues.
To produce tyrosine from phenylalanine, the body uses an enzyme called phenylalanine hydroxylase. This enzyme is related to both tyrosine hydroxylase (responsible for control of serotonin levels) and tryptophan hydroxylase (responsible for the control of dopamine levels). All three of these enzymes use.... wait for it! BH4 as a co-enzyme. Stupid ammonia.
Thought you all might like to hear this little bit of information.
really, oxytocin too? you also (likely) need relaxin for productive labor. Wanna dig up anything on that one? I think OALD (separate from oversupply) is related to an imbalance of too much oxytocin/too little relaxin.
post #195 of 330
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I'm still stuck on the really low B12/methylation detox idea. Also, did you know 5-MTHF requires B12 to be absorbed? (I think I'm remembering that right)
i sure didnt know that. rats. i fully believe the b12/methylation is huge for us and i feel stuck. i have grassfed liver in the freezer - i might try to rotate it in and deal with the reactions.
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Originally Posted by dannic View Post
Honestly! (I'm going to whine) Every time I think I'm well, something just hits me! I know I have yeast issues, hormonal imbalances (low progesterone), thyroid and adrenal and bowel issues. I have always been a do it yourself gal (I've been to a Dr once--for stitches) and I've gotten well in the past, but something happens and bam! Today, I feel like I'm about to start, but I should be ovulating. I shouldn't feel pregnant when I'm not! Arrgh! It all returns....last time is was pregnancy that threw me over the edge--and I so want to go over that edge again, but I'm scared stiff! I'm looking into a naturopathic md, for a bit of health mentoring, but $ is tight, we're self employed and self pay. And we've been sick all weekend to boot.
*Take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard*
(I still have no idea why the smileys aren't working for me--insert embarrassed smiley here, lol)
im sorry, mama. i hope you feel better

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Originally Posted by BeantownBaby9 View Post
THIS IS ME, can't have it in the house. I lived vicariously through you though, and my virtual truffles were yummy!


We can't do beets either, but we will gladly participate in kidnapping Bobby Flay. Yes, to answer your question....I knew I didn't tolerate milk and cheese and too much caffine, based on how I felt so much better and lighter, and my AFs changed, when my acu put me on an ED for GFCF to get PG last year. I never thought "allergy" though. Now that I have my IgG results for both of us, and am having reactions on top of those, yes I feel like I am loosing safe foods left and right. Chicken skin, sunflower seeds, both lost this week. For as pissed as I get that I can't eat a pepper or blueberry right now, I know one day I will once I am healed.

i often wonder if ill actually eat any of the things i like again.
confused, I'll come post on your link, but red ring, formula, rashes, etc say allergies to me

i agree.

Just keep an eye on him. Keep him close to you, wear him if you can, and BF as much as possible. Chase has had a few bad fevers. One was the flu, the others were small viral things. He's never needed abx, just extra lovins if anything.
same with ella, when she's got a fever i just assume i'm going to be rocking her all night in her glider.
so little man had a rough night. He had a 100.3 fever last night going to bed, and didn't sleep more than 45min chunks and nurse every time back to bed before 11pm, then I think he may have had a few longer stretches, and this morning was he a wincing squirmy farty mess. 8 farts when he woke up. No wonder he didn't sleep well! And he was doing so so well, napping more, sleeping better, so now I *feel* like I am really seeing rx like I haven't before. Could this still be reactions to the peaches or greens, 2 days later? He hasn't had any other infraction foods, I don't think. And me, I think I found something that will work for me. I have been SO SO SO hungry, like eating 24oz steaks in 1 sitting, having 5 meals, like ridiculously hungry, and I chalked it up to yeast overgrowth. I had a glass of water with GSE and OoO last night and I feel TERRIFIC this morning, and not hungry. I just don't want to dump a ton into my BM, but I feel like having a glass every now and then will make killing these bastards in me a whole lot easier. I think I was reading somewhere clay keeps it out of your BM....can anyone enlighten me?
reacting to your die off?

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Originally Posted by Wugmama View Post
This sounds like me! But I went 15 months w/out a cycle after the birth of my last baby, and my problem (re)started when my cycle restarted 3 months ago. And all this time I thought my skin was so clear because of going off of wheat and dairy and all.

A little OT but also, since my cycle started back my periods have been wicked heavy and wicked painful. Like I called my midwife for reassurance because I was seriously afraid I was hemorrhaging. And I went through 3 labors/births without shedding a tear or screaming, and all 3 periods have been worse than any labor. This last one we were in a hotel room at a water park and I had to get up twice in the middle of the night and get into a hot bath. One of the times my baby was crying for me and I had to walk away and get in the tub and I was moaning and almost thought I was going to have to have my dh help me into the bathroom. I'm not being dramatic and I really do have a high tolerance to pain, my dh was shocked. Anyone have any ideas on this? My O was also really painful this last time though that only lasts less than an hour. I am actually wondering if I need to be adjusted.

~Tracy
i dont have any idea but tracy. im blown away how you described your labors. go with your bad self!
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Originally Posted by menomena View Post
two questions about supplements:

1. zinc. we ran out and i need some stat. i'm probably just going to pick up a bottle from the HFS until i can get something better. i was looking at the wateroz site. the prices are higher than i anticipated. i'm wondering what dosage is? $19 for 16oz seems a lot, maybe? i don't know.

2. CLO. we are just taking twinlabs CLO. kids 1tsp/day (5000IUs A) and me 2tsps. I'm looking into fermented HVCLO, blue ice. it's going to double what i spend in a month on CLO. worth it, right?

thanks.
i *think* ella is tolerating the wateroz and she def has an increase in appetite so i think its worth it. 1 tsp=.5 mg though so my ped wants us to aim for 5mg = expensive.
twinlabs clo is the devil (well, maybe only if you take more than u should like i did)
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Originally Posted by Wugmama View Post
I'm super confused and/or interested in this idea. My dd, age 7, has asthma. And we just learned last year that at baseline her breathing sucks. So now she is on regular inhaled steroids.

I took her to an allergist a couple of weeks ago to have her tested for food allergies. This is the allergist who talked to me about sensitivities w/my eczema baby so I know he is on board w/understanding that you can have problems with foods that don't show up in your testing. He told me you have to learn your personal limits with these foods to your own comfort level.

Fast forward to bringing my asthma dd in, and he is telling me that some kids get an immediate asthmatic reaction w/certain foods that they are allergic to. He didn't seem to think that she could have sensitivies that would cause her airways to always be slightly swollen (I'm assuming that last sentence describes her conditon, airways always a little swollan/constricted and hence the poor breathing at baseline). And of course, nothing popped on her skin test. And coincidentally, the guy had just been to an allergy conference at the U of M the week before where they were "debunking" the ALCAT, so he is telling me not to waste my money on that, there is no scientific reason that would give me answers, no way to test for sensitivities. At least he acknowledges that they exist.

So I'm curious, are you saying that you've experienced pretty dramatic asthma symptoms brought on quickly by certain foods, or more the slow and steady burn of problems from continued consumption of some foods?
tracy, did you ever read healing the new childhood epidemics? (i forget, i thought you did).
yeah, alcat was crap for us.
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Originally Posted by Wugmama View Post
Oooh, ooh, I should tell you about my dh. We are in our mid thirties and my dh had childhood asthma. Never really got help w/it, parents smoked like chimineys, had a dog he was allergic to, etc, never felt well until he moved out. At any rate, not too bad over the last 10 years or so. But the last 3 years he's had 3 or 4 episodes where he gets bad asthma symptoms ramped up from a cold (just like my dd) but he has no regular doc, no care plan, so waits til we just about need to call an ambulance as his albuterol inhaler isn't even cutting it anymore, then goes to urgent care and ends up on oral steroids.

Well the same was happening last week. He went to urgent care, they wouldn't give him steroids for some reason, wanted him to go to a day time doc and get w/a program. So he's like dying and he started himself on this regimen of 5 different things, including goldenseal and resveratrol (sp - the antioxidant that is found in red wine). I made an apt for him w/an asthma specialist for 3 days later. By the time he went, he was so much improved, he got inhaled steroids and a plan, but didn't even need them. I am so encouraged! If only my dd would swallow supps!
thats really awesome! go dh!

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Originally Posted by Mammo2Sammo View Post
well, we seem to have a problem with both.
would epsom salt baths help with salicylates?
Also, I've had zero success the past three months with my water kefir, so my intake of probiotics is a bit spotty. I do eat fermented foods but not with the regularity as my kefir.
what is it about your kefir that isnt working out? can we help? i kefir!
post #196 of 330
OALD from an improper oxytocin/relaxin balance? I think that's exactly where I was. I'd love to see more info about this.
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Before I forget, PB had some links to salt flushes to help lower halides so that the iodine doesn't have to do all the work there. I'm assuming that is NOT okay while pregnant, but I think it's a temporary up/down thing so may be okay while nursing if LO is able to not nurse for a few hours. Here's one of her links...

http://drshevin.com/patient_educatio...giene/salt.php
It's about halfway down the page. And she had another somewhat related page that suggested 1/2 tsp rather than 1/4 tsp of salt.

As an FYI, for people with adrenal issues not consuming enough salt, you won't start urinating a lot, you'll just rehydrate yourself.

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Quick question:
Haven't read but I'm jumping in real quick to ask a quick question. My kids have gotten the worst tartar buildup on the backs of their lower teeth since we started the SCD. My oldest has always been prone to build-up there, but they both have it very very thick. I actually have a dental scraper (it looks like a small crook, pointy at the end but not too sharp, and I started trying to scrape it off of my oldest's teeth, and it is thick. A small chunk of it popped off, but it made me nervous that I was going to poke his gum, so I stopped. Would you try to scrape it off, or get to the dentist?

The dentist we talked to way back when suggested I get a dental pick and use that on DS's teeth. I was leery with a toddler, but the tartar stopped (for him, not really for DD) and I just haven't done it.

And what in the world would cause this? It has got to be nutritional, but I don't necessarily think it's a lack of something, because it began to happen almost immediately after we started SCD. I'm leaning towards it being something more about the pH of the mouth? They were eating practically just meat, fat, and bananas in the very beginning. Any ideas?

And Tanya, is this why we need K2?
K2 can do it, but I'm guessing you consume more than average K2. It could be mouth pH, for most people those would be acidic foods. If that's it, then you _should_ be able to counter it with a beefy mineral supp--groups of people have had good teeth on very meat-centric diets, I think they did it by consuming lots and lots of minerals. But that may not be it for you. You remember JaneS's posts on insufficient bile, right? But you said poop improved on SCD? So that doesn't fit either.

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Originally Posted by whoMe View Post
Melvin Page says it's too much calcium/too little phosphorus in your blood. But I don't know how much you want to trust him
One of our dentists (saw 2 back when DS was 18mo and had a sudden tartar build-up) said calcium (relatively too high) and phosphorus (too low, relatively) were out of whack. She didn't say reduce calcium consumption, consider increasing phosphorus, but dietary sources of phosphorus are animal products and we eat plenty. So I'm guessing something controlling calcium and/or phosphorus. For us it was K2 (the lack thereof) not controlling calcium that caused the tartar. What controls blood phosphorus? Not sure, but actually the vit k yahoo group is big on that, but it's more involved than just K2, they're looking at kidney function and supping sodium bicarb _between_ meals (Pat ) and lots of involved stuff.
post #198 of 330
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Originally Posted by ellasmama2007 View Post
i sure didnt know that. rats. i fully believe the b12/methylation is huge for us and i feel stuck. i have grassfed liver in the freezer - i might try to rotate it in and deal with the reactions.
Did I already mention the chronic fatigue people seeing the same thing? Google CFS and Yasko. Yasko recommends starting by supping betaine slowly because somehow it puts less burden on things, but I really don't remember the details. They were convoluted I'll look again when I have a minute and try to quote her book for you, but it might not be for a few days
post #199 of 330
You guys, I'm so thrilled to be seeing Taslyn eat and drink. She's not getting quantity yet, but she's reliably having something at every meal and snack, and goat milk each time too. I'm really blown away at how quickly all this happened after starting CST. Keep your fingers crossed, she has a fairly extensive and sort of diverse, but not severe, skin reaction going on. We'll just have to wait and see what happens next. I think part of its detox, part of it is a contact reaction, and part of it is a food reaction. Ugh. Oh yeah, and throw in some bug bites- the skeeters are back!
post #200 of 330
I am catching up a few pages, but...

Count me in the truffle club (says the woman who ate an entire batch of raw cashew cheesecake last week). Oh, and in the 'can't do beets but will again one day' club too.

As far as foods... I felt really low today about it too. I was hoping the ND would help in that area. My DH said, "Since when have you ever let anyone tell you what to eat?" Heh heh. But I *know* I will be adding more foods - and soon. I have been losing and adding both. It would probably be better to say experimenting. Cut the grains, added nuts. But not too many. And not without enzymes. DS is now tolerating spinach and bananas though! :

And speaking of, I have been mad craving a pancake or muffin or something similar since going grain-free, so I made a 'paleo pancake ' recipe that was basically pureed pumpkin seeds, gelatin, water, and a zucchini. Baked in the oven, and was actually pretty darn tasty, believe it or not.

Tanya, I your envisioning! Spectacular!

So the ND I saw for DS today recommended getting yeast under control with this product (thoughts, anyone? I thought it had some pretty potent herbs, plus the Echinacea... I just didn't know...), then detoxing mercury (I think with zeolite - which I'm also on the fence about). I brought up our conversations here about how killing off yeast can release mercury and she wasn't familiar. I am debating what to do. DH liked her and wants to work with her, but I got all flustery talking about yeast binding to mercury and such. So I found a bunch of links on it I think I will send her, and I'm going to post them here in case anyone finds them relevant (maybe BeantownBaby? with the OoO?)

http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com...infection.html
Yeast is an immune system reaction to mercury in the body because the yeast cell can absorb its weight in mercury, which prevents the mercury from harming the body. If your levels are high and you do nothing to solve the problem, you will not get rid of your candida yeast infection. http://www.spiritofhealing.com/artic...y_mercury.html
Mercury is absorbed preferentially by yeast cells, bacterial cells, and molds. In fact, these types of pathogens are present in our body "by invitation" of our immune system. These organisms absorb phenomenal quantities of mercury and serve the supreme purpose of keeping us alive -- keeping the mercury from killing us. Thus, to kill off Candida indiscriminantly in adults with significant body burdens of toxic metals including mercury is not only foolish but potentially very dangerous. http://www.mercuryexposure.org/index.php?article_id=66
So, the immune system makes a deal: it cultivates fungi and bacteria that can bind large amounts of toxic metals. The gain: the cells can breathe. The cost. the system has to provide nutrition for the microorganisms and has to deal with their metabolic products ("toxins").
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...of-autism.aspx

http://www.phoenixclinic.org.uk/phdi...ocument&part=2
...[yeast] binds heavy metals, in particular, mercury. The problem is how to get rid of candida effectively, since anti-fungal drugs can produce multiply-resistant strains. They can also cause mercury release in the body upon candida die-off. Probiotics can have a similar effect, unless they are given in short bursts, rotating types of probiotics.
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