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post #21 of 62
so where would one find an underground midwife?
post #22 of 62
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Originally Posted by babymaggie View Post
so where would one find an underground midwife?
Start your search here...

Alternative Naissance
514.274.1727

or here

Groupe MAMAN
(450) 664-0441

post #23 of 62
Good to know....if anyone finds more info about that let me know!!!!!
post #24 of 62

Best Doula's in Mtl?

Hi,

I was searching for info on google and found this thread. I have been having a n awful time getting access to any midwives or information on natural births in Montreal. I have called every center twice and they all told me I could not use their birthing centers because of my address (downtown) and long waiting lists. I called as soon as I was pregnant. I am now 30 weeks and called again to no avail. The receptionists don't even know anything about midwifery so it is incredibly frustrating.

I am fearful of a hospital birth, my doctor is unkind and uncommunicative with me even though this is my first baby. I am supposed to deliver at the Royal Vic and am very disturbed by the stories in the news recently about problems in the birthing ward there. She also told me she would not attend my birth as only one doctor is on staff per day to deliver. So i am going to have a random stranger!!?? Not very comforting.

Can anyone suggest anything? I don't know what to do and am stressing out as I really do not want medical interventions that are needless. My mother died 2 years ago next door (Montreal General Hospital) post surgery because of an un-sterile environment.

I am willing to pay for a doula. I am due October 12. (30 weeks now)

Sorry for the rant, I am just so frustrated with Quebec medicine right now.

Regards.
post #25 of 62
februaa...I SO feel your pain. I was where you were in 2007, when I got preggo with my first child.

You really should talk to Lesley Everest or her partner Rivka. They are the main educators for the DONA program here in Montreal. They really know the ins and outs of getting a natural birth here. Even if you don't end up hiring one of them, they are a WEALTH of information.

Here's Lesley's website:
http://www.motherwit.net/

Here's Rivka's website
http://montrealdoula.tripod.com/livingbirth/

Call them!

Also, here's a link to the Yogaspace website, which lists a whole bunch of useful childbirth and childcare related resources, here in Montreal. There's also a list of doulas who practice in the city.
http://www.yogaspace.com/resources/pregnancy.html

The doula I hired, Jessica Leduc, was FAN-TAS-TIC in helping me achieve the natural birth I wanted. She argued for me, she supported me whenever I called or emailed her, she was there from beginning to end for my induction (long story, I went to 42 + 1 wks), and she was in contact with me afterwards. I don't know if she's working right now since she had a baby a little while back. You can find her info on the Yogaspace website.

Call all the doulas that practice and meet each of them to see which one you click with. Be warned though, it'll cost you anywhere form 600$ to 800$, usually half of it upfront, to hire a doula here. It's so worth it though because a good doula will offer you the support that the medical system here in Quebec won't. From my doula I got prenatal education, a lot of discussion about my fears for childbirth, and constant emotional support. She was also rather understanding when I puked on her shoes during labor

As for your doctor...if you don't like him or her, get another one! I had a horribly impersonal and withdraw OB assigned to me at St-Mary's, AFTER she realized that I wasn't having a miscarriage and tried to get me to have a D&C...Needless to say, I didn't trust her one bit. So I called around and got myself an awesome doctor. Even if you're 30 wks, you don't need to stay with a doctor that you dislike!! This is something that women in Québec don't know about and they let themselves be victimized by the system put in place here.

Have you tried getting in with Dr. Hélène Rousseau at CLSC Côtes-des-Neiges? She's very pro-natural childbirth. Also, Dr. Lisa Graves is very "natural birth". Finally, if you can't get in with those ladies, I would really recommend going to the Herzl clinic at the Jewish General. I know that the Jewish has a reputation for being a high intervention hospital, but if you go with a FAMILY DOCTOR and not an OB/GYN, you have better chances of having the natural birth you want. This from the mouth of Lesley Everest, whom I trust.

You probably won't be seen by the same doctor at the Herzl...they work in teams, but you'll get to know your nurse and your team of doctors really well *if* you're vocal about what you want. I talked openly and loudly about my desire for natural birth, I called the clinic A LOT whenever I had concerns about low fetal movement or weird pelvic pain, I got angry and cried when they talked of induction, I fought to keep going beyond 40 wks, I had my DH and my doula argue with the doctor about how much pit and for how long, ....needless to say, they knew who I was and what I wanted.

Re: the birth centers, I gave up on those as soon as I called them. It was clear that I wouldn't get in because I hadn't called soon enough. Don't despair though, you CAN have the birth you want. Stay at home with your doula and your partner for as long as possible. Show up pushing at the hospital...that way there's less chance for medical intervention. Be prepared to fight for what you want, no matter which doctor you're with. Even my super-duper-pro-natural-birth doctor (who's now gone to Toronto, sadly), was trying to schedule me for an induction at 39 weeks because she thought I wanted it. I got pissed, then I cried and told her No Way No How. I gave in at 42 + 1 wks, because I just couldn't take it anymore, but even with a course of pit for 3 hours, I never took any meds for pain, spent most of my labor in the shower, I danced around in my room listening to Hypnobabies and felt like a champ when it was over 20 hrs later.

If you need more info, PM me! Good luck
post #26 of 62
wow awesome response. Thank you so much. This will be a useful post to any other ladies searching the web.

I had coincidentally contacted Rivka a few months back and sadly she is fully booked. I contacted Leseley today and she is booked too.

I emailed a bunch of doulas off a french website and one replied called Mareva LAFRENIERE. I will give Jessica Leduc a shout as I have seen her name all over the web when searching. Also I will contact Dr. Hélène Rousseau like you mentioned as my doctor is just too careless. She doesn't seem to remember who I am when I see her and never knows what week I am in.

Thanks!!!!
post #27 of 62
If you are willing to pay a bit more than a doula you could find an 'underground" homebirth midwife. They are not in the system so you pay them out of pocket but there are there...

For hospitals in Montreal, Lasalle has the best reputation so I would try to find one of the doctors there... Two of the female doctors have a good reputation... I forget the name of the other OB but one is Dre Lalande. She is supposed to be one of the most open in MTL but I had a really bad experience with her at a friends birth... so I honestly hate to recommend her but everyone does.

There is another hospital on the south shore that has a good reputation... which is Anne Laberge in Chateauguay, they are one of the rare "baby-friendly" hospitals in Canada (under the Unicef Baby-Friendly Initiative) and I have heard that the rooms are nicer than Lasalle...

If you have go to the hospital, find a doula or at the least a friend there that is willing to advocate for what YOU want... remember that you are the boss and though they can use scare tactics and most likely will, you have the right to say no to anything...

Also, write to your MP about birthing choices. There is a sample letter on the Groupe Maman website... it is not right that women have so much trouble getting the care that they want here in Quebec.
post #28 of 62
I'm going to Lasalle this time, even though I'm in CDN. At the Nazareth Clinic they take you if you're preg. no questions asked. I was surprised they gave me an appt. right away. It's family doctors, not OB's, but they have an OB on duty all the time for emergencies, C/S. They actually have the most births in their hospital, than all the other Mtl. hospitals.

Good Luck with whatever you decide!
post #29 of 62
Montreal is in a sad state right now.
Just a correction, Lesley and Rivka are not DONA instructors. Their course is FAR from DONA.
Jessica LeDuc just recently had a baby so I doubt she will be taking clients for a while.
I know a lot of the underground midwives I know aren't taking clients right now for various reasons, but dig hard and you can probably find someone. You can at least ask the doulas/ mws you call if they know of anyone taking clients.
Try Kimberly MacKenzie. She's a great Lesley-Rivka affiliated doula.
MONTREAL DESPERATELY NEEDS MIDWIVES AND DOULAS! Take Lesley and Rivka's doula training and serve your community ladies! This is a problem. So sad.
post #30 of 62
Hello,

Does anyone know of the cost of using an "underground" midwife? If I can't get in at a birth center I plan on using one.

Thanks!
post #31 of 62
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Originally Posted by megs15 View Post
Hello,

Does anyone know of the cost of using an "underground" midwife? If I can't get in at a birth center I plan on using one.

Thanks!
A friend of mine used an underground midwife last year and I think she paid around $1000. She had a wonderful birth but less than satisfactory after-care. Be sure to ask tons of questions if you interview a midwife and don't forget to ask details about what after-care they provide.
post #32 of 62

Underground Midwife??

Hi

I will be moving to Montreal at the beginning of 2010 and my husband found me a doctor from St. Mary's. I am a bit hesitant about a hospital birth since was last birth was less than extraordinary.

I will have a doula but a home birth sounds interesting. How do I get in touch with these "underground midwives" for a home birth. I was told that my estimated cost would START at $2500 in the hospital, but I would rather pay a midwife and stay in my house.

Any other inside scoop is appreciated also.
Thanks in Advance
post #33 of 62

Pregnant without insurance in Montreal

I just found out I'm pregnant, about 4 weeks. I'm going to contact the birthing centers and try to get in, but I'm wondering if they'll take me as I do not have my Canadian residency. I applied in May, but don't have it yet. I'm here as a visitor with a one year visa. My husband is from Quebec however.

Anyone have any experience with this? Will a birthing center take me without RAMQ insurance? What if I purchase private insurance, will they take me? Right now I have "emergency only" coverage through my husband's employer. I don't think that OBGYN appointments are considered emergencies.....

A little worried.....
post #34 of 62
I am on the waiting lists now. 12 weeks pregnant. I called when I was about 3.5 weeks, before my period was due. So I am really really hoping to get in! My friend called at 6 weeks and got in Pt. Claire when she was 20 weeks. I went with her to help with the birth,what an amazing experience and the facility is just top knotch! wish me luck.
post #35 of 62
Thread Starter 
good luck shenanegans, let us know what happens!
post #36 of 62
Thanks. I just popped on here again to see if there was any news. I am still in the waiting game. I had a dream I had to have an unassisted home birth last night. I woke up crying because my husband didn't help. Really he is a great guy I am sure its just my worries about waiting and not wanting a hospital birth that are making me have bad dreams.
What happened with your birth in the end Sourire? Did you get in one of the birth centers?
post #37 of 62
Hi everyone,

I just found this site and am thankful for such an informative thread, especially since Montreal seems to be super confusing when it comes to natural pregnancy...

I'm not pregnant yet, but I plan on trying to conceive in the next couple months, and I have some additional factors that add to my confusion, so I would appreciate any help you all can offer

First, I'm wondering at what what week in the pregnancy does the first prenatal appointment occur? I plan on calling the birthing centres as soon as I find out and getting on a list, but I might be out of the country for the first month or two, and I'm not sure if I would miss the first appointment, thereby kicking me off the list?
Actually, this is confusing to me anyway, because if I'm waiting for a spot at the birthing centre until 20 or 30 weeks into my pregnancy, what happens while I'm in that limbo, in terms of prenatal appointments and care? Do they assign you a midwife, but just not guarantee a spot at the birthing centre yet?

Also, this quote kind of worried me, februaa, and I was wondering if you could explain your situation a little more, please? (By the way, since your due date was in October, I hope everything turned out great for you!) I had assumed that since I live in downtown Montreal, my address wouldn't be a problem, but now I don't know...
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Originally Posted by februaa View Post
I have called every center twice and they all told me I could not use their birthing centers because of my address (downtown) and long waiting lists.
So, I'm sorry if this is rambling or didn't make much sense; like I said, I'm pretty confused right now!

Thanks, and good luck, everyone
post #38 of 62
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Originally Posted by Jamilie View Post
First, I'm wondering at what what week in the pregnancy does the first prenatal appointment occur? I plan on calling the birthing centres as soon as I find out and getting on a list, but I might be out of the country for the first month or two, and I'm not sure if I would miss the first appointment, thereby kicking me off the list?
Actually, this is confusing to me anyway, because if I'm waiting for a spot at the birthing centre until 20 or 30 weeks into my pregnancy, what happens while I'm in that limbo, in terms of prenatal appointments and care? Do they assign you a midwife, but just not guarantee a spot at the birthing centre yet?
I didn't have a midwife, but I can give you a rundown related to these questions.

My first appointment with my GP was when I was nine weeks along. All of my appointments (every 4 weeks) were with her until week 30, at which point I was transferred to an OB within the practice. If you have a family doctor, perhaps he/she could follow you the same way until your care could be transferred to a midwife?
post #39 of 62
Thanks, Dreamy!
I'm new to Montreal, and I knew I was missing something important with how all this works! That makes so much more sense now, thank you
post #40 of 62
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by shenanegans View Post
What happened with your birth in the end Sourire? Did you get in one of the birth centers?
Actually I am not even pregnant yet. I am just planning ahead. When the moment comes I plan on getting on the waiting lists for all 3 birth centres and crossing my fingers.
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