Why not vax for meningitis? - Page 2

[carriebft]

example of what I am talking about here:

https://www.nzma.org.nz/journal/115-1159/122/

edit: also here concerning pneumonia:

http://journals.lww.com/pidj/pages/a...&type=abstract

Also here on meningitis numbers even back in 1995:
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/337/14/970

and i know someone will say the cases shifted to adults, but they are saying that the childhood cases went down, which left the adult cases in lead, it did not shift cases to adults.

[tanyalynn]

Carrie, I don't have stuff bookmarked, so I'm going to need to search for the studies I remember. I'm going to sub to the thread because it's not going to happen tonight (we're just eating dinner now, bad mom, it's after 8pm our time). I'm not creative or knowledgeable enough to have come up with the idea myself, I thought it was either staph or pneumo or something that was stepping into the void.

I thought I remembered data on the level of bacterial meningitis not really changing one way or the other (which isn't all invasive bacterial disease, but it's something), I _thought_ it was somewhere deep on the CDC site, it really struck me since hib was supposed to be such a large portion of the pre-vaccine bacterial meningitis cases, but I'll need to search for that too.

subbing (need to write it so I don't forget)

[carriebft]

I will be away without internet for 2 weeks, but I will definitely check back to this thread when I get back end of may!

[tanyalynn]

Have a great vacation (at least that's what it sounds like), and thanks for responding so I have the email sitting in my Inbox!

[carriebft]

yeah, braving central america-- let's hope they don't detain us for the all powerful ever frightening swine flu!!! ::

[Emmeline II]

Hib

[carriebft]

I have read that link many times and it still does not:

1) give evidence to the claim that meningitis cases have stayed the same/ risen post hib

2) although many studies show an increase in A type hi meningitis cases (and others do not), none of them claim that the rates are anywhere near what hib did- also, A cases have different risks than the hib ones did- see epiglotitis

I also see that many seem to think that, because we know we have increases in A type meningitis, they overstate what that means. 8 fold increase from a very small number can still be small.

The A increase has not lead to a maintaining of meningitis levels post hib vaccine; the increase in A hasn't even come close in the stuff I have read.

So, if, by way of example here only:

pre vaccine:
100 meningitis cases- 98 are hib and 2 are hia

post vaccine era- 10 meningitis cases- all hia


numbers like this don't mean the hib vaccine is useless...or that there is a maintaining of meningitis numbers.


heading out in an hour or so but I will check back in a couple weeks.