Are your unvaxed children healthier than vaxed children? - Page 3

[lauradbg]

Originally Posted by jamsmama

My DS has had croup 2 times and has never had a single vax. My friend's DS had severe food allergies and has never been vaxed. So many things factor in when it comes to the immune system that it's too complex to come up with anything solid other than that, yes, unvaxed children overall are healthier than vaxed.

I do have to say that we were able to go from last July until just this April without a single sniffle, all while every child around us seemed to have one thing or another all winter. I can't say the same for last year.....my DD ended up with RotoVirus the day after playing with a little girl who had just been vaxed that day for RotoVirus She had 3 bouts of it over a 3 week time period...it was AWFUL! I am a very conscious mother when it comes to their diet, etc. These things just happen.......

I know it's kind of simplistic to generalize. I was just noting what conditions have shown up in vaccinated kids and not in the unvaccinated kids in my group. Things can just happen despite the best efforts and choices of parents, but in general, in my group, the unvaccinated kids are healthier by far.

Last year, my 8 year old daughter asked a mom what the flu meant as the mom was describing it--she had never had it and hadn't heard about it. About a week later she got it. It lasted three days and she was done.

My kids do get sick too, just not with the frequency or length of the other kids, and they have no chronic conditions.

[jamsmama]

Originally Posted by lauradbg

Last year, my 8 year old daughter asked a mom what the flu meant as the mom was describing it--she had never had it and hadn't heard about it. About a week later she got it. It lasted three days and she was done.

My kids do get sick too, just not with the frequency or length of the other kids, and they have no chronic conditions.

Yes, this IS the nice thing about having our children unvaxed....this illnesses don't last as long.

Off topic: I love your blog Laura! We are eerily similar.......question EVERYTHING!

[Scattershoot]

My unvaccinated children are very healthy. No chronic problems at all. Illnesses are uncommon and when they occur they blow out very quickly, within a day or two.

It’s the chronic conditions that many vaccinated children are dealing with that I want to avoid. The chronic runny noses, chronic ear infections, chronic skin problems, chronic gastrointestinal problems, chronic allergies, chronic breathing issues, chronic agitation and hyperactivity, chronic tonsil and adenoid issues, and others. Vaccines create a non-specific immune response that puts the body into a constant state of healing overdrive. I would suggest that anyone who is interested in observing this immune response to all vaccinations purchase Dr. Moulden’s dvd series Tolerance Lost. To watch the white blood cells take over the bloodstream and sludge the red blood cells, creating an anoxic response, is pretty amazing.

I can’t find the exact number of unvaccinated children anywhere, but I’ve read 2% to 5% pretty often. There is a big and growing unvaccinated homeschool movement that takes a lot of children off the radar. Even if the number is the low end at 2%, that’s about 1.6 million children in the U. S. That’s plenty of children to have seen something if non-vaccination was so horrible. The problem for the vaccine industry is that they desperately would love to see something, but nothing is there, so every time a handful of children get the measles it’s national news for days, even though it is almost always harmless, unless some child reacts badly after a hospital visit. Hmmm. That’s the best they can do. All these anecdotes of healthy unvaccinated children are ignored and ridiculed as lacking science. Where’s the science that proves vaccination creates healthier children? It doesn’t exist. All they are going on is assumption and opinion. Somehow that is more scientific?

Unfortunately for them, it keeps coming out again and again that “SIDS” victims had been vaccinated and many of them just days, or even hours, before death, and that goes for Shaken Baby children too. Unfortunately the latter’s parents get thrown in prison for it. The autism thing won’t go away either, no matter how many ridiculous, nonsensical “studies” they do.

If they are going to force parents to inject their healthy, beautiful babies with toxins that can admittedly paralyze or kill, then they really need to come up with something other than, “Trust us.”

For someone to respond that their vaccinated child is healthy also, misses the point. It's great that a vaccinated child is healthy (or it at least seems that way since we have stuff in vaccines like SV40 that doesn't rear its ugly head for many years). I pray that ALL children are healthy. The problem is that there are those who want to put some potentially devastating stuff into healthy children with no proof it helps. The default mode is therefore keep it out.

[mamakah]

Originally Posted by eireann

Oh...I know! Her mom smoked while pregnant claiming she could continue to smoke after the first trimester! I'm not kidding!

[japonica]

Both of my children are unvaxed, so I can't compare them with each other.

My daughter never had a single vax, nursed until 3.5 years old, good nutrition. From the conversations I've had with other moms, she seems to have missed out on a lot of the "bugs" that a lot of her cohorts tend to get. She didn't have a single ear infection as a baby and only got her first one at 4 years old. She only had diarrhea once in her life (never had rotavirus). She's only been on antibiotics once. She's been in preschool now swapping germs with the other kids since Sept. and although she is getting more colds, they tend to be short-lived and don't go further than that. I was fully vaxed as a child (the 1970s schedule) and colds for me usually ended up as chest infections and dose after dose of antibiotics.

My son, also no vaxes at all, is still breastfed and has gotten a few of the colds that she brings home. He has also never had any diarrhea illnesses nor any ear infections.

I think there's a variety of reasons children who are not vaccinated may be "healthier" (in a general sense of the term). Part of it is the importance of breastfeeding and that parents who take this route may be more nutrition-conscious and use nutrition to boost immunity and overall health. And as Scattershoot mentioned, there are bigger processes going on with vaccines and the immune system than even the scientists know or understand...how many times have I read some article or paper or conference meeting minutes where someone admits, "Well, that's interesting, we don't know why that's happening." Thinking of that study with the old DPT and asthma link, there is something going on with allergies, immune system disorders and vaccines. So, we may be seeing as a population, more chronically ill/allergic kids at the expense of no/less acute disease "outbreaks."

[Jugs]

With my kids, this is definitely the case. Both have been raised in the same environement, eating the same healthy, organic diet. My unvaxed kid is BY FAR healthier than my vaxed kid.

[SwanMom]

Originally Posted by PenelopeJune

There is no difference, health wise, that I know of, between my two children.

DS, age 4, was fully vaxxed and is up to date. (Won't get anymore, though.) He was also formula fed from 2 weeks on. He is also beyond picky at eating and barely eats anything, and no veggies, fruits, or meat.

DD, age 1.5, was vaxxed only at the 2 month appointment when I stopped. She was breastfed until 15 months. She eats anything that is put in front of her.

Neither child has a chronic illness. DS's first illness was a very mild case of rotavirus at 1.5 years. He was not vaxxed for rotovirus. Since then, he's had maybe 1-2 colds a year.

DD has only ever had colds, and she gets them at the same time as DS.

I have noticed that both of my kids seem to get milder versions of whatever cold hits them than whoever they got the cold from in the first place. I think my kids both have very strong immune systems.

I think my kids have the kind of strong immune systems that could handle vaxxing or no vaxxing just fine, breastfeeding or no breastfeeding, etc. I totally agree that for some kids, vaxxing or breastfeeding can make all the difference in the world as to their health, overall.

I have a similar story. I will say that DS1 got sick more often when he was younger, but that could be attributed to lack of breastmilk, too. They both seem to have strong immune systems now.

[Shelsi]

Nope. My kids are anomalies. My ds was vaxed on schedule through 12 months of age. He was also exclusively formula fed from 4 months on and he had the occassional formula bottle prior to that. He is the healthiest kid I've ever heard of. He's been exposed to chicken pox 4 times and hasn't gotten them yet. He never gets sick. He's never thrown up (knock on wood). Never an ear infection. No allergies. Nothing. Oh and I started him on solids at 3.5 months old.

My dd was exclusively bf until 8 months when we started solids. Never any formula. No vaccinations at all, not even vitamin K shot at birth. And she's always sick. She has a million allergies. She caught chicken pox just by being in the same room as another kid (which is OK but I was primarily trying to expose my ds not dd). And we've just found out she probably has celiacs. Yeah she's like the anti-poster child for bfing and not vaxing lol

[Wildsky]

I have two un-vax'd kids. A 9 year old and a 5 year old.

For the first time ever my 9 year old got sick at the beginning of last month, he ended up in hospital with a strep infection in his salivary gland.

Up to that point he'd never had antibiotics, was never sick for longer than 5 minutes - LOL ok the longest he was sick was probably 2 days with a cold or flu.

My daughter - the 5 year old has never seen a doctor, she's had the odd fever and cold, but nothing lasting longer than 24 hours.

[Funny Face]

Dd had one vax and ds has had none. They are very healthy, rarely get sick. My niece is vaxed and gets ear infection and colds/allergies a lot. I have a friend with 5 unvaxed kids and they get sick a lot.

I don't think you can look at a single factor but I truly believe that in individual unvaxed child will be healthier than they would have been if they were vaxed.

[beingmommy]

Oh, I think my DS is somewhat of an exception. He is 22 months and still BFing up a storm. Never had a drop of formula. Didn't start eating solids until 15 months and still eats way less than most toddlers his age. He is unvaxed. In terms of little illnesses, he has only had a few colds and recovered quickly. However, he is gluten intolerant probably a celiac (and started falling off his weight curve as soon as he started eating gluten). He just had a bad respiratory virus that caused a lot of wheezing and he had to be hospitalized. Doctors think he has asthma. He had a violent reaction to hummus a few weeks ago (vomiting and hives) and will be seeing an allergist soon.

I have to admit. I am a little sad that he seems to be having so many problems despite being unvaxed and BFed and delaying solids.

But I tell myself that he'd probably be having more problems if he had been vaxed. Right?

[MelKnee]

I have 2 unvaxed kids. 8yo ds has the best immune system you can imagine. He is rarely sick and when he is it lasts 12 hrs at the most. Even when the rest of us are laid out for days. My 3yo dd, on the other hand, gets everything and gets it hard. She will be sick about twice as long as the rest of the family.

[vegemamato]

My first was fully vaxed until she was two, and my second has recieved one shot (my third has not/will not have any). They are all very healthy and energetic but I (and a few others) have noticed that my oldest has a few attention problems and she seems to react very strongly to food additives (artificial colors, corn syrup, some preservatives). I have a feeling that vaccines are a part of her challenges

I also believe that we would have more issues if we had continued vaccinating my 8 yr old..

(I do think unvaccinated kids are typically healthier- at least the ones we know.. I would assume that it has a lot to do with avoiding other medications/toxins too, rather than just no shots though.)

[Amylcd]

Of the vaccinated kids they all have had some or all of the following conditions, that the unvaccinated kids don't have: asthma, eczema, seasonal allergies, food allergies, croup, yeast infections, ringworm, bedwetting (two kids ages 8 and 9 wear pull-ups to bed), poor weight gain, stunted growth, molloscum contagiosum, constant colds, long lasting colds, constant runny nose, many ear infections, constant sore throats, sleep difficulties, various stomach upsets.

My unvaccinated child has had all of the bolded (and most of them frequently). My partially vaxed children have never been sick. They get a a runny nose maybe once a year, nothing serious enough to be treated.

[emma1325]

My girls are both very healthy. My oldest is partially vaccinated and my youngest is completely unvaccinated, short of the vit k shot (which I regret.)

My oldest struggles with behavioral and sensory issues due to vaccine toxins she received as a baby (at least, we believe strongly that her issues are largely due to the shots.) My youngest has none of the same issues.

They both eat well and get lots of fresh air, sunshine and exercise, which I attribute to their healthfulness. They haven't had to see a pediatrician in over 3 years. They've each had a handful of illnesses over the years which were very short in duration and mild. We're taking them to the ped next week for a check up and titer check.

[PreggieUBA2C]

We have four unvaxed children and they have inherited my hypothyroid and consequent adrenal issues. I am treating them for this presently and they are healing well. I don't know if these will be life-long issues or not. They grew in my hormonally-deficient body and may have underdeveloped glands as a result of that.

I have documented vax damage, and I am certain that given our boys' consequent glandular deficiencies, they would have too, if we had subjected them to vaccines.

We also don't give them any pharmaceuticals and treat all health issues from the perspective of equipping the body to heal itself.

Our whole lifestyle would tend toward having healthy children, which they are in general, and especially now having relief with nourishing their bodies for glandular healing.

I wanted to add that not having immune system responses to illnesses such as not vomiting or coughing up phlegm isn't necessarily a sign of a healthy immune system. It can be a symptom of an inadequate immune system that cannot use these functions to get rid of illness. This was me for many years.

In the past month, I have coughed for the first time in three years and even vomited from a flu. This is an enormous improvement for me, and a wonderful indication that my immune system is now functioning! Previously, I would catch a cold and my lungs would just fill part-way with phlegm that I wouldn't cough up at all. I'd feel like I was breathing under water and be laboured in breathing for months before it would subside only to return with the next virus. I was always tired, carrying around viruses that my body couldn't respond to.

I only share this because the indications of health are rarely how little our bodies respond to the environment, but how they respond. For instance, our ds2 has a fabulous immune system. We know this because when he contracts a virus, he has roaring fevers that peek within a few minutes and stay high for a while, then continue to peek in intervals that are short at first and then slow down as his body kills off the virus. He has rarely had a virus that has lasted more than overnight (mumps was 3 days and very mild once the fever did its work), and he goes through the whole thing and all of its symptoms super fast- he doesn't skip any of the responses, such as some think indicates health.

I have a friend who thinks her children are very healthy, but they have colds that come back after they seem to be going away and this can go on for months at a time. Then, they don't vomit with a flu, but just end up lethargic for days and feverish, but with mild temps. They are obviously overgrown with yeast, and this is affecting their immune responses, but she thinks their lack of response is an indication that they are dealing with the illnesses well. It simply isn't the case.

Non-vaxed children aren't as a group healthier than unvaxed children, imo. They are individually as healthy as they can be in their situation, and vaxed children just have a specific imposed obstacle to their health potential that unvaxed children do not. Many unvaxed children eat very poorly and many vaxed children eat well.

It's not possible to answer this question in general since the 'control group' isn't in a lab where every variable can be accounted for. I personally take the perspective that my children will develop into their potential as we/they meet their individual needs. I wouldn't add anything to them that might hinder them (knowingly), and so many things that others consider normal are not part of our life, and that includes vaccines. I don't withhold vaccines from them because I think they'll be healthier; I allow/participate with them to develop to their health potential according to their constitutions and needs, incorporating every variable as I/we become aware.

Vaccines are so far from my perspective on what defines health as to not even be considered, except that this thread showed up on the front page, so I joined in.

I believe that my particular children are healthier than they would be if I injected them with pathogens and toxins. I think that is true for everyone. But I don't know if my children are healthier than yours or anyone else's.

[Bluegoat]

I find these threads a little weird, because on the level of families, it is impossible to come to any kind of conclusion about the effects of vaccination on health. There just isn't enough people. And even if you add up all those who answer, you don't have enough information to make a good comparison - what would be healthy in one family of kids that are sickies might seem unhealthy in another family.

It can be nice to know that families that don't vax have healthy kids, but I think it's bad to give the impression that that gives us the big picture - anecdotal evidence can be very misleading (routine episiotomy, anyone?) Health is just way more complicated than that.

It's too bad that the studies on this are not very helpful. It would be nice if they could do a study on vaccinating as a whole health issue, but there are difficulties with the idea. I think they could probably be overcome, but it would be a huge project.

[williamsmommy2002]

My youngest is unvaxed and quite healthy. He was also exclusively breastfed to 6 months , received no formula and still nurses a lot. We have had to deal with some health issues including excema and a pretty severe UTI soon after birth. He's had antibiotics 2 times. He's only really been sick maybe 4 times in his life and he's almost 5.

My partially vaxed was healthy until he went to school 3 years ago. Between that time and just a couple of months ago, we were dealing with illnesses every 3 weeks when school was in. He has severe allergies. He only got his 2 month vax's but did get formula along with his breastmilk. He is also developmentally delayed.