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post #21 of 32
We hope to be there. So what will we be happening? I've never been to a rally/protest before. Anyone making signs or pickets? Do we know yet if press will be there.
post #22 of 32
Don't know about the press yet... But yes we will be making signs.
post #23 of 32
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I'll be there with my kids!
post #24 of 32
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Don't know about the press yet... But yes we will be making signs.
Thank you ladies for keeping this alive over here!

I'm a childbirth educator/doula on the west end of Allentown, so I've been working on this a lot (too much!). I met with Marlene Gubler (also a CBE/doula), Bill Dunning, and a couple of other ladies on Tuesday to discuss strategy & Saturday.

Someone asked how this affects Tina, and that wasn't answered...so quickly...Tina is young with a 6 month old baby...she just can't attend all of the births for the practice, can't be on call 24/7 like Laurice has done at times. Also, unfortunately, since she is young, she is more afraid about her career, so less willing to stick her neck out (perhaps I should have a bit more of that fear? ....nah....). She has been offered a position with a practice that is owned by LVH...Bill did not know which practice that was, or if she would take it, or if she would be attending births if she takes it. One thing that is pretty sure...even if she does take it and does attend births...women going to that practice will still probably not be assured of having a midwife at their birth because Tina can't do 24/7 call.

Now...as to the protest...

* A significant theme of our discussion Tuesday was that THIS IS BIGGER THAN JUST LOSS OF MIDWIVES. It is about CHOICE. By simply pointing out that there are midwives doing births at LVH, the higher ups there can "blow smoke in people's faces" (they told Veronica Torrejon--Morning Call reporter--that there are 5 midwives in practice in the Lehigh Valley---WHO ARE THEY? We know about Andrea MacLaren, and she has a new midwife working with her, but they are in Stroudsburg even though they do births in Bethlehem. Aimee Kessler does not appear to attend births (neither Marlene nor I have had a client birth with her in years, despite many going to that practice and wanting her)--despite the fact that women get told that she does. Gaye Haas quit attending births at least 4 years ago, and "Caring for Women" out in Easton has a midwife on staff, but she also does not attend births.). So anyway, try to steer clear of "midwifery" in any signs or statements to the press, and especially please keep "The Midwives" out of the protest (this is also in part due to legal concerns).

Unless LVH issues an apology to Laurice and a statement that in keeping with ACNM guidelines, midwives will be able to attend VBAC and breech birth at LVH...a domino has been pushed on patient choice. Other dominos will continue to fall, not just in OB, but in other areas. My understanding is that some dominos have already fallen, and there just hasn't been a public outcry.

We are looking for some reflective vests for a couple of the marchers to wear to make sure there is an appearance of safety (we aren't going to get too close to the road...but some people might still try to make hay). If you have a reflective vest (or 2) that you could loan, even if you aren't going to be able to be at the rally, please let me know, or post on the event board to find out who is attending who lives close enough to you to get it.

*LVH really cares about their ranking with US News and World Report...so if someone could look up contact information to send letters to them, that would be great!

*We would like to get some videos up on You-Tube. Toward that end...
-is anyone here skilled with that?
-anyone have camera equipment they could loan/bring to the rally?
-for those folks coming to the rally--you can of course decline to be interviewed if you want...but if you want to be interviewed, please write 3-5 main points that you want to get across on an index card, and practice what you want to say so that you will be able to say it concisely and without a bunch of "ums" and "ahs" on camera.
-if you aren't going to the rally and want to make a You Tube video, we can work to arrange that!

For signs, if you can make a specific sign, please "claim it." Here are some that we want:
*neonatal & maternal mortality rates compared to the world (CIA has this data on-line)
*"My birth experience was (insert adjective), why wasn't yours?"
*"Informed consent for better birth choices"
*Want to know more? Facebook search (I will provide a search term--I need to get a publically viewable "Page" set up rather than the group--someone is also working on a blog)
* Cesarean: Medical Necessity vs Medical Conveniance?
*"Your Choice" vs "Routine Procedures"

Remember with making signs...keep the letters BIG, and the number of words low. Also, if you cite any stats, please write your reference in small print on the bottom of the sign so that it is handy if we are challenged.

The rally will be on the southeast corner of the intersection at the LVH entrance--that is, across the street at the 1529 building. We will meet by the big blue sign along Cedar Crest for an Orthodontist--Dr Frey.

Thank you!

Jenn
www.knittedinthewomb.com
post #25 of 32
More background, just because I know many people don't know what led to Laurice loosing her priviledges.

LVH for some time now has not wanted Laurice attending VBACs or vaginal breech. She compromised with them, and agreed to have Dr. K. attend the pushing phase of any of these births.

She has not had ANY bad outcomes at births she has done at LVH in nearly 14 years.

Early this year she had a client expecting her 10th child show up in labor at the hospital, 8-9 cm, unexpected breech. The resident on call immediately started prepping for a cesarean. The parents...thrown for a loop, asked what their options were. The resident apparently told them that their only options were whether the repair would be done with stitches or staples. They argued back and forth that they wanted a vaginal birth, which the resident denied. The father finally asked Laurice if she could catch the baby, and she said that she could.

I'm sure there were a lot of angry words between the resident and Laurice after that--both in front of the parents, and in the hallway.

What happened was so agregious to these parents, that following the birth (safe vaginal birth), the father wrote a letter to the hospital in his "free time." Joke there folks...they have 10 kids!

And that is apparently what stirred the hornets nest. LVH has said that Laurice was practicing outside of the scope of midwifery by attending VBAC and breech (she wasn't), and even filed a complaint about her in a national care provider database.

If Laurice isn't there...women loose the "CHOICE" of vaginal breech--because the younger OB's don't know how to do it. It is simpler to teach how to perform a cesarean than to teach all the nuances to how to deliver various types of breech vaginally. It is simpler to teach how to perform a cesarean than to teach how to apply and use forceps correctly (as maligned as forceps are, they do have a place...one of my clients who was going to Laurice had an 11 lb 10 oz posterior baby delivered with forceps by Dr. K--after 6 hours of pushing, and she was quite glad not to have a cesarean--said she felt fine the next day). And so it goes...
post #26 of 32
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So anyway, try to steer clear of "midwifery" in any signs or statements to the press, and especially please keep "The Midwives" out of the protest (this is also in part due to legal concerns).


Jenn
www.knittedinthewomb.com
Uh-oh? We're not supposed to reference midwives in our signs? All of my signs and shirts reference midwives, except one.
post #27 of 32
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Uh-oh? We're not supposed to reference midwives in our signs? All of my signs and shirts reference midwives, except one.
You can bring the signs and we'll take a look at them...as I explained, we are trying to stay away from that simply because LVH has *already* said "well there are other midwives..."

It's also an issue because too many women tune out when they hear the word "midwife." Sad but true...they think that those of us who use midwives are on the wacko-fringe. I have a very "mainstream" friend (as if I'm not!) at my church who angrily told me a couple of years ago that she had done lots of research--all that she needed to do about birth, and she did NOT agree with my conclusions about the medicalization of birth. And I hadn't even said much...

Well a mutual friend is affected by all of this hoopla--pregnant with her second baby, due in October. She's quite happy to use an epidural, but wants her midwife. Well she was talking with a group of women--including this first friend...and first friend expressed shock that midwives did births in hospitals.

Ummm...what was that about doing lots of research? Apparently she didn't get past the basic question of "what kinds of care providers are available?"

Oh..and friend #1? I bit my tongue REALLY hard when she complained about difficulty with potty training her son--he was circed so tightly that he had a "buried penis" (I don't think she connects the two), and his urine just shoots straight forward. Yeah...she knows all she needs to know about that subject too--intact penises are "ugly and dirty" to quote her before she realized my sons are both intact.

Jenn
post #28 of 32
Understandable. But, at a "rally to support midwives," I would hope those signs are acceptable. Especially since I ended up cross-eyed and slightly crazy after making them.
post #29 of 32
I think the rally went well! The Morning Call was there taking pictures, and I believe we will be on the channel 69 news at either 6 or 10. :
post #30 of 32
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I think the rally went well! The Morning Call was there taking pictures, and I believe we will be on the channel 69 news at either 6 or 10. :
I think it went great. What a wonderful turnout. I heard 6pm for channel 69 news. I don't know what day it'll appear in the paper. Hopefully, there will be footage of the news coverage online.

ETA: It did appear on the 6pm news. I didn't see it, but someone else said an LVH rep was interviewed and said they still have midwives. They just neglected to mention they'll be axing the other midwife after June 30. I can't find the video online, but I guess it's too early to be up.
post #31 of 32
Yep- it was also just on again at 10
post #32 of 32

Stunned

I'm new here, having just found this forum after joining the FB group. Laurice delivered 3 of my 7 children and it was nothing but pure joy to have her attend those births. I didn't have horrific experiences with OBs, but I didn't realize I had any voice in my deliveries and did the first 4 "their way" which resulted in unnecessary stitches and medications. I plan on blogging about this and sharing my story so that other moms may benefit from it and be informed about the choices they do have.

Here is the story of my 6th child's birth with Laurice attending:

Ian's Birth

Thanks for letting me add my 2 cents!

Anne, mom of 7 and Valley food blogger at Cooking with Anne
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