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post #21 of 37
Could you take her shopping for an inexpensive necklace (like at Claire's) that she likes, but that fits closely enough that it doesn't easily come off for her to play with?

Barring that, I would probably let her wear them with a prior warning that they could get stolen, broken, or taken away if she is playing with them.
post #22 of 37
I never thought of restricting those but my dd knew that if she played inappropriately with her stuff she would lose it to the teachers desk.
post #23 of 37
As a teacher, I do think sometimes "what were they thinking!" when some kids come in with things like the necklace you describe.

But at the same time, I assume that parents just left it up to me to take care of it if it became a problem. I have no problem asking a child put something like that into their backpack. So in the big scheme of things it doesn't matter to me as a teacher - if it gets in a way, I'll ask your kid to put it away (a few kids will be able to work with it on, and that's okay too; just it's a rarity).

It was super duper nice of you to think of a substitute teacher. That job is HARD!
post #24 of 37
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Originally Posted by rootzdawta View Post
Because it's a substitute teacher, I agree you are in the right. More than likely, if it's a distraction and then the sub asks her to take it off in class, she will challenge or out rightly refuse.
Why "more than likely"? I can never recall a sub being challenged or refused on a flat-out discipline issue like that. A confiscation was a confiscation, and a sub could send someone to the office, just like a regular teacher could.

OP: I don't think you're being unreasonable, but I'd let her wear them. There's really no way to know if they're going to be a distraction or not, so I'd just let her wear them, and if they get taken away, so be it.
post #25 of 37
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride View Post
Why "more than likely"? I can never recall a sub being challenged or refused on a flat-out discipline issue like that. A confiscation was a confiscation, and a sub could send someone to the office, just like a regular teacher could.

OP: I don't think you're being unreasonable, but I'd let her wear them. There's really no way to know if they're going to be a distraction or not, so I'd just let her wear them, and if they get taken away, so be it.
Well, maybe you've worked in better districts than I have. In the districts where I have worked, there is really no disciplinary recourse for substitute teachers. Even regular teachers often basically rely on how much they can intimidate the students.
post #26 of 37
You are ot at all being mean. It is clear that these beads are a distraction and she does not know how to handle them. Because of this, she does not get to wear them. I agree with you one hundred percent. It is a sort-of natural consequence if you will. If she does not handle them properly, she does not get them at all. You are doing the right thing. Kids don't always like restrictions. Then again, adults don't, either. It's just a way of life that one has to accept and get over, and what better time is it to learn that skill when still young. Keep up the good work.
post #27 of 37
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Originally Posted by rootzdawta View Post
Well, maybe you've worked in better districts than I have. In the districts where I have worked, there is really no disciplinary recourse for substitute teachers. Even regular teachers often basically rely on how much they can intimidate the students.
I'm not a teacher. I'm speaking from the standpoint of students. A teacher was a teacher was a teacher. Yeah - the class tended to be a bit rowdier for a sub, but not to the point of flat-out ignoring a discplinary order...more like it would take 4-5 repetitions of "settle down" to get order, instead of 1-2 for a regular teacher.
post #28 of 37
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride View Post
I'm not a teacher. I'm speaking from the standpoint of students. A teacher was a teacher was a teacher. Yeah - the class tended to be a bit rowdier for a sub, but not to the point of flat-out ignoring a discplinary order...more like it would take 4-5 repetitions of "settle down" to get order, instead of 1-2 for a regular teacher.
Oh okay. I'm speaking from the viewpoint of a substitute teacher. In some districts I've worked in, students have walked out of the class. Without permission when I have tried to confiscate things. I should also mention that these things were on the list of forbidden things for the school. Administrators were mad that the child was wandering the hall (my fault, of course). . . not that they had contraband.
post #29 of 37
Could you talk to the teacher together, let her know how much she wants to wear them but has a hard time not taking them off, that you want to give her a chance, but that the teacher needs to step in and ask her to put them away if it becomes a problem? That way she gets the chance to wear them, getting to keep them or not is her responsibility and you don't look like a meanie. I have been a teacher, and sometimes kids really surprise you with how they can handle something if they know all people are taking it seriously.
post #30 of 37
I'd tell her she has to wait until the regular teacher is back, and that she could wear them for lunchtime (packed in her lunchbox). I'd let her know that she could choose to wear them after that, but the teacher would be within her rights to ask her to put them away if she played with them too much - and let the teacher know what's going on with them. If she does well with them for the 1/2 day, then she could wear them again. However, I do think you have valid reasons for telling her she couldn't wear them to school, and it doesn't make you mean.

K.
post #31 of 37
I think you are right, not being a "meanie".

I wouldn't let my children wear them to school either.
post #32 of 37
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Originally Posted by MabMama View Post
I would tell her that they may get lost. They may get broken. They may get taken away. Then let her make the decision.

This is what I would do as well. I don't think it is worth the fight.
post #33 of 37
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Originally Posted by rootzdawta View Post
Well, maybe you've worked in better districts than I have. In the districts where I have worked, there is really no disciplinary recourse for substitute teachers. Even regular teachers often basically rely on how much they can intimidate the students.
That's unfortunate. I subbed for about 3 years in Phoenix - at public and charter schools and the only times I really had disciplinary issues were with high school students. But, that's because they just didn't care - about anything. I always felt like the school's discipline programs for younger kids were effective enough for my sake.
post #34 of 37
You are not being unreasonable. They are clearly as distraction and if she's playing with them at home where she can pretty much do waht she wants all day, why would she leave them alone at school where she's required to be doing something, perhaps something she'd rather not be doing at the moment, like schoolwork. School is for learning, not for bringing "toys" from home to play with all day.

For all the people who said, "let the teacher be the meanie", I must say, as a preschool teacher, I really resent when parent s do that. Why does the teacher have to be the meanie? How do you think the teacher feels when she has to "be the meanie" when all the children are bringing things from home to play with? Doesn't the teacher have enought to do- teach a classroom full of 15, 20 or more children without having to spend the time taking away toys and such from home? There are days when I have to listen to the children's parents tell their child, "Well, Kris says you can't have it, so I guess you have to put it in your cubby..." when they clearly know that it's against school policy or whatever to bring the item. So it goes in the cubby... and comes out of the cubby and gets fought over repeatedly. So it gets taken away and put in the teacher closet. And then the child has a rotten time, because they want their toy back. And then the next day, it's repeated. And the next, and the nest. Why would someone set their child and their child's teacher up for that type of situation, especially knowing the most likely outcome, that it will be a problem, because it's been a problem at home. And to do that to a sub, who has less chance of knowing how to handle the particular children in the classroom? Not a fair situation at all.
post #35 of 37
I think it is very kind of you not to have her wear them while the substitute is there. I do think you should let her wear them when her teacher is there though. Kindergarteners tend to not fight over things like that. They may want to look at the necklace and she may be happy to let them, but they tend to respect other people's belongings and not fight to steal them.

Her teacher also is certain to have a plan for helping kids who aren't able to focus on their work, she may take the necklace until the end of the day if it is a problem or have her put the necklace away. It is a really common thing to have to do in kindergarten so I don't think you should set this up as a battle.
post #36 of 37
"If you know she isn't going to keep them on then I think you are definitely doing the right thing."

ITA. It sounds like she's using them as a toy, not as an accessory. And both of you know very well that toys from home don't belong at school.

If she was simply wearing them and there was no specific school or classroom policy against them, I'd let her wear them.
post #37 of 37
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Originally Posted by harleyhalfmoon View Post
For all the people who said, "let the teacher be the meanie", I must say, as a preschool teacher, I really resent when parent s do that. Why does the teacher have to be the meanie? How do you think the teacher feels when she has to "be the meanie" when all the children are bringing things from home to play with? Doesn't the teacher have enought to do- teach a classroom full of 15, 20 or more children without having to spend the time taking away toys and such from home? There are days when I have to listen to the children's parents tell their child, "Well, Kris says you can't have it, so I guess you have to put it in your cubby..." when they clearly know that it's against school policy or whatever to bring the item. So it goes in the cubby... and comes out of the cubby and gets fought over repeatedly. So it gets taken away and put in the teacher closet. And then the child has a rotten time, because they want their toy back. And then the next day, it's repeated. And the next, and the nest. Why would someone set their child and their child's teacher up for that type of situation, especially knowing the most likely outcome, that it will be a problem, because it's been a problem at home. And to do that to a sub, who has less chance of knowing how to handle the particular children in the classroom? Not a fair situation at all.
As a teacher I agree with this completely. I have a student is is constantly bringing things into school. I tell her to put them up and then she spends the rest of the day trying to sneak it out of her cubby. I appreciate it when parents do not allow their childrem to bring distracting toys and necklaces to school. As a parent I do not allow my daughter to bring things from home. So I think you are being perfectly reasonable.

Kim
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