Confused about MMR/vaccination in general

[zuzunel09]

I am new to the vaccination discussion; but at 26 weeks I am becoming more and more scared of the poss. of autism. I'm having a boy. So, I read on this forum that 100% of women who received the rubella portion of MMR had at least one child with autism if the child was also given the MMR vaccine.

Did I read that right? Where is a good place for me to start reading about these things?

[Marnica]

Can you provide a link to where you read that?? I can't comment unless i have a look at it. Are you interested in just the MMR or vaccines in general. I don't want to post a bunch of links about vaccines if you are just wondering about the MMR!

[zuzunel09]

Oh, here is the original post that made me ask:

Originally Posted by novaxmomof2

I agree with you. I get so mad when I read articles like this one. I truly believe my younger son would become autistic (this is because I stupidly received the ProQuad vaccine 6 weeks before he was conceived and a questionnaire done by Dr. Yasbak showed that 100% of women who received the rubella portion of the MMR or the MMR had at least one child who develped Autism) if he received the MMR so I've refused it. According to many people I'm an irresponsible parent. But I feel that the opposite is true - I am doing the responsible thing for my child. Obviously if he came down with the measles I wouldn't knowingly take him out in public until he was completely better and I have been honest with everyone in my mom's group about it. So far none of them have cared at all and our kids play happily together. There is another mom in the group who hasn't allowed any vaccines for her kids (her oldest will start getting them this year so she can go to school) but again, none of us have cared. We have to do what we feel is best for our children period.

[poppan]

That seems pretty flawed. If that were the case, most of the country would be autistic since most moms today did receive MMR as a child and most children today get MMR vax.

It's one doctor's survey, and we don't know who he did that survey on. For example, if he handed out a survey to the mothers of autistic kids, and they all responded that they had had MMR or rubella vax, it does not follow that all women who received MMR or rubella vax will have an autistic kid. I mean, he could have asked, are you a woman? and they would have all answered yes, but that doesn't mean all women will have autistic children.

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by zuzunel09

I am new to the vaccination discussion; but at 26 weeks I am becoming more and more scared of the poss. of autism. I'm having a boy. So, I read on this forum that 100% of women who received the rubella portion of MMR had at least one child with autism if the child was also given the MMR vaccine.

Did I read that right? Where is a good place for me to start reading about these things?

Welcome to the vaccine forum. Good that you are researching the issue. You will be glad you did. I am not sure what you are saying here but vaccines are not something to take lightly. Autism is a big concern but by far not the only one. Since we give vaccines, antibiotics, and other medicine like candy to most children we have seen a lot of "modern diseases" that previous generations never knew about. Childhood diabetes, MS, juv. rheumatism, juv. cancer... those diseases and many more are on the rise so rapidly that many people ask, did we replace measles, mumps and rubella with much more deadly disease that we knew nothing about?

When we mess with things that we actually don't understand, dire consequences can occure. And to be honest, we do not understand immunology. It is a research field and anything that pertains to that is an experiment.

So the childhood vaccine program is an experiment.

Welcome to the forum. Hope to see you around a lot. And good luck with your pregnancy.

[newmum35]

I just got done reading a book called "When Your Doctor Is Wrong: Hepatitis B Vaccine & Autism" by Judy Converse - it was VERY interesting. It taught me about sensory pervasive disorder (I think thats what it was called, or maybe it was pervasive developmental disorder) anyway, until I read this book I never gave much thought to what happens when a woman is vaccinated for Hep B and thus has the *antigens(?) in the blood for the Hep B. This, is passed onto the baby to provide immunity for the first months of life (along with the zillion of other things in the womans blood of course, to protect against disease) and continues to be passed to baby through the breastmilk. Then on the 1st day of life what happens when the baby ALSO gets the hep B shot and forms his OWN antibodies (I can't remember how she explained it- antigens, antibodies, forgive my poor wording - it was explained MUCH better) and they clash with what he received from the mothers. It did make a lot more sense... before anyone criticizes this - please read the book LOL I know I'm doing a TERRIBLE job at explaining it, I'm tired and don't have much time on at the moment. (the book is downstairs) Basically I wanted to suggest that there may be other vaccines (besides mmr) that are linked to autism (the book being all about Hep B) - this is a true story about her son, very good read. Boy was I glad I never got the Hep B (nor did my son get it) after I read that one!

[novaxmomof2]

Hi! I read this in Stephanie Cave's book "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccinations" on pages 76-77. Here is what it says:

F. Edward Yazbak, M.D., wanted to know if there is a link between administration of the MMR vaccine to women of childbearing age and the development of autism in the resulting children. He collected 240 questionnaires from members of vaccine and parent groups in the United States, the United Kingdom, and Australia and made what he called "unexpected and alarming findings."

Among the 240 responses were twenty-five women (twenty from the U.S., four from the U.K, and one from Australia) who had received a live virus vaccine (fourteen received rubella and eleven received MMR) shortly after delivery because their doctors deemed them to be at risk for rubella infection. They were at risk because they had been vaccinated previously for rubella but had failed to develop antibodies. Twenty women gave birth to children who were breastfed and who developed autism or autism spectrum disorders. Of the remaining five families, three of the children have allergies and one has cerebral palsy.

Dr. Yazbak believes that women who do not develop adequate antibodies to rubella after receiving their intial vaccination during childhood or adolescence may have an immune system condition that makes them remain susceptible to rubella. Therefore revaccinating these women should be avoided, not only because it will not be effective, but because Dr. Yazbak also believes that these women may transmit the tendency to remain rubella susceptible to their children through breastfeeding. ALL THE CHILDREN WHO DEVELOPED AUTISM DID SO AFTER RECEIVING THEIR VACCINATIONS (MMR IN MOST CASES) - emphasis mine.

Another subgroup from the 240 consisted of seven women who had received vaccinations during pregnancy - three received rubella, two measles, and one MMR. The seventh mother received Hepatitis B during pregnancy and an MMR vaccine five months before she became pregnant. Six of the seven children born to these mothers were diagnosed with autism, and the seventh with autistic tendencies. This last child was one of twins; the other twin was stillborn.

Subsequent to this study, Dr. Yazbak received twenty-two more reports from women who had received a live virus vaccine either before, during or immediately after pregnancy. ALL OF THEM HAD AT LEAST ONE CHILD WHO DEVELOPED AUTISM. - emphasis mine.

Taking all of the reports into conisderation, Dr. Yazbak concluded that:
- Giving a live virus to women just before or during preganncy is inappropriate.
- Postpartum vaccination with MMR or rubella vaccines may not be safe, as there are possible risks to the child through breast milk.


I wasn't trying to scare anybody but this is why I am not allowing the MMR for my youngest. I shouldn't have said that 100% had children who developed autism because not all of the 240 questionnaires indicated a child who developed autism. Sorry about that. But, there is enough here to keep me from taking the chance.

[poppan]

Novaxmom -- I'm really glad you found this thread and thank you for coming back to clarify! Makes so much more sense now.