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Resources for someone considering elective C-section?

post #1 of 17
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Hi mamas! I have a dear friend who is pregnant with her first. She is considering an elective c-section b/c her work will give her 10 wks off as opposed the the 8 wks she would get for a normal vaginal birth. I'd like to share some resources with her to help change her mind

Can you please point me to some good links? I'd appreciate it!
post #2 of 17
www.ican-online.org is a good source
http://www.childbirthconnection.org/ is another good source

These can help her weigh the risks/benefits of vaginal/cesarean

That sucks that her place of employment is even causing her to consider something like that because they don't provide adequate maternity leave options.
post #3 of 17
if her dr is willing to do this w/o medical need then he should be reported to the state. that is grossly unethical!!!!! let alone irresponsible.

:::::::: irked:::
:: angry
post #4 of 17
I'll have to do some more thinking about an actual resource for her to refer to, but if she looks at the risks of C-section to her and baby and balances recovery time against the extra two weeks her employer would give her, I think she'd quickly realize that those two weeks might well be eaten up simply by the additional healing that major abdominal surgery requires, and that's before other, more serious potential complications. There's a reason why they're offering 10 vs. 8 weeks, and it's not to encourage C-section. That leave policy really does suck, and her doctor really should be telling her about the risks of elective C-section.

ETA: Although not an electronic resource, I've been reading "The Thinking Woman's Guide to a Better Birth" by Henci Goer, and it's an excellent, compact resource with lots of research-based information about birth choices. You might suggest she read both the general chapter on C-sections (the very first one in the book), as well as the chapter on elective repeat C-section vs. VBAC, since if she is thinking of having more than one child, this is another issue she'll potentially be facing in the future. The layout of the book is such that the benefits and drawbacks of various interventions are clearly and succinctly presented, so even if you could just copy the first chapter (entitled "The Cesarean Epidemic") and have her read that, she might find it a good summary. Good luck!
post #5 of 17
Egads. How about pointing her also to the Family and Medical Leave Act, which guarantees up to 12 weeks of time off for family caregiving time after the birth of a new baby? It is not necessarily paid leave, but as long as she's been working for her employer for over a year or for a certain # of hours (1250 is what I have in my head), she has a right to it.
post #6 of 17
you sound like the best kind of friend, MahnaMahna
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by trauerweidchen View Post
ETA: Although not an electronic resource, I've been reading "The Thinking Woman's Guide to a Better Birth" by Henci Goer, and it's an excellent, compact resource with lots of research-based information about birth choices.
Yes, this! It's a great resource that I've recommended to lots of mamas.

I can't believe someone would choose a c/s over vaginal for a measly 2 extra weeks! Unreal.

She should read some of the c/s birth stories on MDC and see that it's not always a walk in the park. Having a c/s casts a shadow over your whole reproductive future, adding multiple risks that can be averted by vaginal birth. (I think that sentence or one like it actually comes from Henci Goer's book, it's so true.) Have her read some of the concerns of mamas on the VBAC boards, real concerns like uterine ruptures and placenta problems, difficulties nursing & bonding, I could go on and on.
post #8 of 17
Moved to Birth and Beyond.
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by jess152 View Post
She should read some of the c/s birth stories on MDC and see that it's not always a walk in the park.
I've met more people who think c/s is the easy way than people who think it's hard. I've actually been told, in so many words, that I "got off easy" by never having a vaginal birth...and I've lost track of how many women have called me "lucky" for not "having to" push out a baby.

I don't really have any suggestions that haven't already been made, OP. Good luck.
post #10 of 17
Uh that is completely ridiculous, and if her Dr is willing to do that because of her employment letting her have more time off they should be fired because of a serious lack of ethical judgment(which can be the norm these days). WOW I cannot believe someone would actually consider that an option. I am having a repeat c/s and I would much rather have a vaginal birth, but my situation is unique and vbac-ing isn't an option. I just cannot believe that is even a consideration for having a c/s. C/S can be risky and they are major surgery I would never wish anyone to have one just because. I wish I didn't have to have one and I am a person who was walking 12 hours later and healed very quickly(and am now facing another, this time not after 30 hours of labor which I'd rather have).

Time off is not a good reason for a c/s. This is just another example of why the US is so lame on maternity care and leave.
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by kcparker View Post
Egads. How about pointing her also to the Family and Medical Leave Act, which guarantees up to 12 weeks of time off for family caregiving time after the birth of a new baby? It is not necessarily paid leave, but as long as she's been working for her employer for over a year or for a certain # of hours (1250 is what I have in my head), she has a right to it.
She should also check this out, of course, but my understanding (from the last time I looked at FMLA regulations) is that there are some pretty big loopholes, like size of company and whether you're full or part-time, in addition to the duration of employment. U.S. maternity and paternity leave need an overhaul BADLY.
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by mamatolevi View Post
if her dr is willing to do this w/o medical need then he should be reported to the state. that is grossly unethical!!!!! let alone irresponsible.

:::::::: irked:::
:: angry
While I agree with the sentiment, unfortunately c-sections can be elective surgery. Hopefully the medical community will revise its standpoint on this, but until then we have to continue to educate women on why vaginal births are the only option barring medical necessity.

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Originally Posted by trauerweidchen View Post
I'll have to do some more thinking about an actual resource for her to refer to, but if she looks at the risks of C-section to her and baby and balances recovery time against the extra two weeks her employer would give her, I think she'd quickly realize that those two weeks might well be eaten up simply by the additional healing that major abdominal surgery requires, and that's before other, more serious potential complications. There's a reason why they're offering 10 vs. 8 weeks, and it's not to encourage C-section. That leave policy really does suck, and her doctor really should be telling her about the risks of elective C-section.

ETA: Although not an electronic resource, I've been reading "The Thinking Woman's Guide to a Better Birth" by Henci Goer, and it's an excellent, compact resource with lots of research-based information about birth choices. You might suggest she read both the general chapter on C-sections (the very first one in the book), as well as the chapter on elective repeat C-section vs. VBAC, since if she is thinking of having more than one child, this is another issue she'll potentially be facing in the future. The layout of the book is such that the benefits and drawbacks of various interventions are clearly and succinctly presented, so even if you could just copy the first chapter (entitled "The Cesarean Epidemic") and have her read that, she might find it a good summary. Good luck!
Thank you for your thoughts and for the book rec - I will include it in the list!

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Originally Posted by kcparker View Post
Egads. How about pointing her also to the Family and Medical Leave Act, which guarantees up to 12 weeks of time off for family caregiving time after the birth of a new baby? It is not necessarily paid leave, but as long as she's been working for her employer for over a year or for a certain # of hours (1250 is what I have in my head), she has a right to it.
Unfortunately the FMLA does not cover every employer and employee. She does not fall within the guidelines to qualify.

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you sound like the best kind of friend, MahnaMahna
Thank you! I'm actually writing her a whole series of emails (one every few weeks) with resources on breastfeeding, birth bonding, natural birth, vax info, circ info . . . I hope something will plant a seed!

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Originally Posted by jess152 View Post
Yes, this! It's a great resource that I've recommended to lots of mamas.

I can't believe someone would choose a c/s over vaginal for a measly 2 extra weeks! Unreal.

She should read some of the c/s birth stories on MDC and see that it's not always a walk in the park. Having a c/s casts a shadow over your whole reproductive future, adding multiple risks that can be averted by vaginal birth. (I think that sentence or one like it actually comes from Henci Goer's book, it's so true.) Have her read some of the concerns of mamas on the VBAC boards, real concerns like uterine ruptures and placenta problems, difficulties nursing & bonding, I could go on and on.
Yes I will share this with her. And I'm more sad for her than anything - for the fact that she is faced with going back to work sooner than she wants, or working for a company that has a horrible maternal leave policy, and for having an OB that would agree to this. I just hope she educates herself.



Thanks again for the responses. I'd really like more articles that she can read online - I think she'd be more apt to read those.
post #13 of 17
I'm wondering if she is talking about how much paid time she gets off? FMLA gives you 12 weeks. Many employers offer short term disability, & a birth is covered. When I had my DD in 2001, I would get 6 weeks paid for a vaginal delivery & 8 weeks paid for a c-birth.

Just a thought.

L
post #14 of 17
FMLA doesn't apply to everyone unfortunately. And unpaid leave isn't an option for some families either.

My previous employer (who actually made a bunch of "mother friendly" lists) offered 6 weeks paid for vaginal, 8 weeks paid for cesarean with the remainder of your FMLA weeks unpaid. So everyone "came back" at 12 weeks but some had been paid more than others. And yes, it is horrible that this may be a factor in someone's birth choice... my former employer also offered some on site child care but you had to start paying based on your EDD regardless of when the babe was actually born so, a lot of mamas opted to induce in order to try and ensure their child really was "there" by the EDD. And we all know an induction is more likely to lead to medical complications or a c/s. So I do know many women who have choosen to compromise their own health and birth experience because they can't afford not to. It's tragic. What's impressive is that this woman is actually saying aloud what many women must be thinking.

That said, obviously I don't think it's in anyone's best interests to schedule a surgical birth to ensure an extra two weeks of paid leave. Even assuming a completely textbook perfect cesarean with a quick and complete physical/emotional/spiritual recovery the impact of the surgery can be huge. Minimally invasive procedures years later can be ruled out by a prior cesarean (too much scar tissue or adhesion growth to allow for the laparscopic procedure). Should she switch employers or need private insurance there are many companies that will not insure a woman who has had a cesarean unless she can provide proof that she was surgically sterilized. And companies that do insure post cesarean women may charge higher rates. Cesareans have been linked to secondary infertility and a higher risk of pregnancy loss/complications. Future births will be complicated by her surgical history, if for no other reason than she will be limited in her choice of provider or birth site unless she chooses a second cesarean (which may or may not come with a longer paid leave, may or may not be complication free, may or may not be a positive emotional place for her if her first surgery didn't go as well as hoped or led to down stream physical/emotional complications).

I second the ICAN site for general information (they have a handout that looks at relative risks as you have more c/s as well as relative risks as you have more vbacs). And perhaps check the Natural Family Living Cesarean Resource thread here at mdc for ideas? Articles that discuss "best case" cesarean experiences may make her realize that even in a best case a c/s birth is more traumatizing than she realized and that the dollar amount of two paid weeks may not be worth the pain and potential complications.

My heart breaks for her and for women in similar situations... I know how hard it can be to face the thought of going back to work after the birth and the way a tight budget can affect the impact of two weeks salary. But she really needs to take a hard look at this and see if there is another solution.
post #15 of 17
OP: I'm Canadian, so the leave issues are a foreign language to me, and so are the insurance concerns (although dh and I have thought about them a lot, when considering moving back to his hometown of Knoxville, TN).

However, I want to add one thing that your friend might consider. While recoveries vary from person to person, it's not uncommon to find oneself fairly incapacitated for the first couple of weeks. Is her dh going to be home? Does she have any other help? If she ends up having to hire someone to come in and help out a lot, it may end up canceling the financial benefit of having two extra paid weeks off work. (As for the benefit of just having the time off...I'd have sacrificed two weeks, as much as I wanted to be home longer than I was, if I hadn't had to hobble around in pain for the first month. It's not fun to find oneself alone with a crying, hungry baby, and physically unable to get off the couch to pick him up and feed him...actually, it's effing terrifying.)
post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by loudmama View Post
When I had my DD in 2001, I would get 6 weeks paid for a vaginal delivery & 8 weeks paid for a c-birth.
A family member had a c-section (breach baby). At the followup dr appointment, she was doing great on healing. So the Dr only signed for 6 weeks disability. Additionally, c-section costs about $10,000 more than vaginal delivery. Out of pocket costs can be expected to be greater with the surgery.
post #17 of 17
I think it's awesome that you're still trying to help her, D.
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