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[lovebug]

Originally Posted by emma1325

I think that mentioning that circ rates have been dropping dramatically in the US and has gone from over 90% to 50% is very powerful. Also, the fact that the AAP no longer recommends routine circumcision.

this is what got me! it also gets DH every time! his big argument is that he does not want his kids made fun of in the locker room. when he found this out he had no more fight in him. i tellhim that if we circ there is a GOOD chance our kids WILL be the ones made fun of. he has managed to change his fight a little, but i am still working on him

[MegBoz]

Originally Posted by emma1325

I think that mentioning that circ rates have been dropping dramatically in the US and has gone from over 90% to 50% is very powerful.

I recommend being careful with this too though... the circ rate may be 50% nationwide, but it's probably quite low in more natural-oritented, progressive areas like California. I would think most parents would be most concerned with the rate in their area. My MW (a hospital-based CNM) told me the rate was about 97% at my hospital north of Baltimore.

Originally Posted by dancindoula

"Wow! I'm shocked to hear your OB/Ped is so behind the times in his research!!! It's really concerning to think he isn't aware of the stance his OWN licensing board has taken on the subject -

I'm fairly sure it's not true that the AAP & ACOG are opposed to circ. I thought the AAP's stance was it's not necessary, but they're not opposed to it. A big difference. I remember reading in the book "Baby 411" that the doc thinks it's no big deal & if parents want to do it, she is fine. She doesn't reccomend it, but doesn't oppose it either. (& That is Dr. Ari Brown - an advisor to Parents magazine - which I've read only because I got a free subscription with my Boppy pillow - which I will not be renewing!)

[jessjgh1]

Originally Posted by Fellow Traveler

Thanks Jessica, but I don't need it the OP needs it. And here it is.

I know you didn't need. I had just quoted your whole post, but quotes of quotes get 'dropped', so only the 'new part' stayed, lol.
Anyways, it looks like you found it. I thought I could pull a pdf copy from my digital subscription if I knew what issue it was. I'm glad it is available through the nocirc site

Jessica

Here's all the circumcision information Mothering has on their site:
http://www.mothering.com/articles/ne...cumcision.html

[Hugh7]

There's a leaflet "It's a boy!" at circumstitions.com that starts with what the foreskin is and does, but it's aimed and parents who are truly undecided.

I agree that making the FGC connection would probably not work. If she knows a little about it (but not if she knew a lot) she'll say "They're completely different, FGC is much worse, FGC is intended to destroy sexual pleasure, yaddayaddayadda..."

We talk about the "adamant father syndrome" which is readily explained as denial, repressed foreskin envy etc. It's harder to explain the adamant mother. I once encountered an adamant grandmother, who dragged her daughter to six doctors (in New Zealand) before they found one who'd do it.

[mama24-7]

She replied that she's offended & that I stepped over the line. So, there will be no research done & two more children will loose their foreskins.

I've decided though from this situation that I'm going to work to change things in general & not just a person at a time. I don't have a lot of time to devote to an organization but I'm going to get magnets for my car & change my signature in my email to reflect something about circ.

It really is sad that she's more worried about someone sharing info than actually reading it.

Thanks again for all the support.

Sus

[x.xiv.mmvii]

Originally Posted by mama24-7

She replied that she's offended & that I stepped over the line. So, there will be no research done & two more children will loose their foreskins.

I've decided though from this situation that I'm going to work to change things in general & not just a person at a time. I don't have a lot of time to devote to an organization but I'm going to get magnets for my car & change my signature in my email to reflect something about circ.

It really is sad that she's more worried about someone sharing info than actually reading it.

Thanks again for all the support.

Sus

I'm sorry. I appreciate your hard work, and we know what a horrible thing circ is. I applaud your effort. Don't lose hope!

[Night_Nurse]

Originally Posted by x.xiv.mmvii

I'm sorry. I appreciate your hard work, and we know what a horrible thing circ is. I applaud your effort. Don't lose hope!

Originally Posted by mama24-7

She replied that she's offended & that I stepped over the line. So, there will be no research done & two more children will loose their foreskins.

I've decided though from this situation that I'm going to work to change things in general & not just a person at a time. I don't have a lot of time to devote to an organization but I'm going to get magnets for my car & change my signature in my email to reflect something about circ.

It really is sad that she's more worried about someone sharing info than actually reading it.

Thanks again for all the support.

Sus

Yes, you did a good thing and all you can do is offer information.
This is my take on what a good friend would have said .." I see this is important to you and I read your information but DH and I have decided we disagree and will still circumcise", or something "nice" like that.
You giving her information is not offensive and you did not cross the line. Nothing you've stated sounds confrontational or harassing, you simply gave her info. She's acting this way because deep down in her heart, she knows her decision is wrong, and she's acting out because she knows that someone else in her life knows it's wrong (that would be you). There's no way to prove this, of course, but I'm sure after she sees her son's newly circed penis she will feel a twinge of remorse and know how her friend was right. But I doubt she'll ever admit that to you.
As bad as it feels to know you tried to stop a circ but were unsuccessful, it's a FAR worse feeling to know a baby was circed but you didn't say anything to try to stop it.
Please don't worry about this. You did all you could and we applaud your efforts.

Someone who is active in this movement that I know locally has reminded me twice not to focus on individual cases. By doing that you'll get discouraged. Remember a lot of our activism and educational efforts will often go unnoticed by us because we never know who we'll reach online, during a brief conversation with a coworker, writing a letter to a magazine editor, etc. Even if you write your local congress person about dropping Medicaid funding for circ, the congress person may never do a thing about it. However, maybe you helped educate a staff assistant or something, you know?
Keep up the good work!