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[1littlebit]

i got mad b/c they told me it might make me a little emotional until i got used to it. that was the understatement of the century.

and i agree about the other meds as well. the reason i think this is a bit different is b/c some people would never use it if they had correct information b/c they consider it immoral to do so. i personally do not subscribe to that belief but i have people i love who do and they would be heart broken if they used birth control and then found this out later.

[BarefootScientist]

Originally Posted by 1littlebit

does any one else find it a bit unsetting that they don't teach OBs and GYNs anything in depth about fertility cycles?

Really? They don't? If they don't, wow, they should.

Originally Posted by eilonwy

Not to get involved in the discussion, but does this apply exclusively to birth control? Because I have to tell you that 99% of individuals I've encountered on ANY kind of medication don't know most of the stuff that's in the fine print with their prescriptions' inserts.

I'm not the person you quoted, but hell yes it should apply to all medication. Why wouldn't it?

[Sailor]

Originally Posted by 1littlebit

does any one else find it a bit unsetting that they don't teach OBs and GYNs anything in depth about fertility cycles?

I'm not of any religion, and I find this horrifying.

I'm also always surprised that people don't know how the birth control pill works. The one time I tried it (very misguided reasons), I read the little sheet that came inside the box. It said everything in there, including that it works in 2 ways: stopping ovulation and/or stopping implantation.

So, the information is there ... I just think a lot of people don't read the packet. The sheet does have very small print on it!

I honestly think hormonal birth control is the worst thing ever. I'm coming from a different perspective on this. But, I just think of all the women who are given this, without any explanation, without anyone explaining to them how their bodies work, their cycles, their fertility.

It's a horrible rite of passage into womanhood. Kind of like: ok, now you're a woman, take these pills in order to "fix" your body's "problem" of getting pregnant. Nevermind that it causes blood clots, stroke, potential increase of breast cancer, loss of libido, fatigue, nausea, etc.

It could be so different. We could "initiate" young women into the knowledge that their bodies carry, let them see how truly amazing and powerful their bodies are, let them track their cycles and really understand their bodies on a deep level.

[claddaghmom]

Originally Posted by BarefootScientist

Really? They don't? If they don't, wow, they should.



I'm not the person you quoted, but hell yes it should apply to all medication. Why wouldn't it?

Yeah and they certainly don't teach it very well in undergrad school either. I mean, I suppose they outline the general happenings of the endocrine and fertility systems if you take certain classes. But an actual knowledge of cycles? Pshaw.

[saimeiyu]

Originally Posted by Sailor

I'm not of any religion, and I find this horrifying.

I'm also always surprised that people don't know how the birth control pill works. The one time I tried it (very misguided reasons), I read the little sheet that came inside the box. It said everything in there, including that it works in 2 ways: stopping ovulation and/or stopping implantation.

So, the information is there ... I just think a lot of people don't read the packet. The sheet does have very small print on it!

I honestly think hormonal birth control is the worst thing ever. I'm coming from a different perspective on this. But, I just think of all the women who are given this, without any explanation, without anyone explaining to them how their bodies work, their cycles, their fertility.

It's a horrible rite of passage into womanhood. Kind of like: ok, now you're a woman, take these pills in order to "fix" your body's "problem" of getting pregnant. Nevermind that it causes blood clots, stroke, potential increase of breast cancer, loss of libido, fatigue, nausea, etc.

It could be so different. We could "initiate" young women into the knowledge that their bodies carry, let them see how truly amazing and powerful their bodies are, let them track their cycles and really understand their bodies on a deep level.

Yeah. You know, it REALLY drives me absolutely bonkers that the FIRST thing 99% of OB/GYNs and family doctors prescribe is freaking birth control pills for ANY cyclic "abnormality". And if you have problems? Screw the chart, that doesn't tell the doctor ANYTHING. Take some birth control pills to "reset" your cycle. That'll fix it, sure!

[1littlebit]

how do they know what a cyclic abnormality even looks like? maybe they just think anyone not on cycle controlled by HBC must be abnormal.

[saimeiyu]

basically anything not 28-30 days.

[EnviroBecca]

Sailor wrote:

I just think of all the women who are given this, without any explanation, without anyone explaining to them how their bodies work, their cycles, their fertility.
It's a horrible rite of passage into womanhood. Kind of like: ok, now you're a woman, take these pills in order to "fix" your body's "problem" of getting pregnant.

It's awful! And it actually decreases the effectiveness of the pill because women who don't know about fertility signs won't recognize ovulation if it happens while they're trusting the pill. I actually once argued with someone who claimed that it's impossible to ovulate while on the pill so she must have gotten pregnant "some other way".

[1littlebit]

i am assuming she meant it was an immaculate conception b/c i am pretty sure thats the only way to do it if ovulation wasn't involved. i think god asks permission first though.

[Bluegoat]

Originally Posted by 1littlebit

i am assuming she meant it was an immaculate conception b/c i am pretty sure thats the only way to do it if ovulation wasn't involved. i think god asks permission first though.

You mean a virgin birth - an immaculate conception is something else entirely!

But how did the girl explain the failure rate of the pill if it's impossible? That is really clueless!

[1littlebit]

i did mean virgin birth! mary was the immaculate conception.... i just disappointed 3 nuns and 2 priests. not to mention a few theology teachers i had who weren't in the ministry.

[DahliaRW]

Originally Posted by saimeiyu

Yeah. You know, it REALLY drives me absolutely bonkers that the FIRST thing 99% of OB/GYNs and family doctors prescribe is freaking birth control pills for ANY cyclic "abnormality". And if you have problems? Screw the chart, that doesn't tell the doctor ANYTHING. Take some birth control pills to "reset" your cycle. That'll fix it, sure!

I think a lot of it has to do with this: BC Pill = pharms and docs profit. NFP = no one makes any money off of it. So no wonder, with how the pharms are in this country at least, the pill is pushed so much. And depro...and iuds...etc.

[claddaghmom]

Originally Posted by EnviroBecca

Sailor wrote: It's awful! And it actually decreases the effectiveness of the pill because women who don't know about fertility signs won't recognize ovulation if it happens while they're trusting the pill. I actually once argued with someone who claimed that it's impossible to ovulate while on the pill so she must have gotten pregnant "some other way".

lol same here!!!! weird! I also had a really weird conversation w/ someone who claimed breakthrough bleeding was an actual menstrual cycle BUT ovulation was impossible.

[1littlebit]

Originally Posted by claddaghmom

lol same here!!!! weird! I also had a really weird conversation w/ someone who claimed breakthrough bleeding was an actual menstrual cycle BUT ovulation was impossible.

how is that supposed to work?

[Freud]

I have a coulpe of friends who are OB GYNs and they both say that they WERE educated on women's menstrual/fertility cycles in depth. Hopefully the school who are not teaching this are few and far between.

[lilyka]

i am sure they are taught. then they take the test and forget . . . besides it is a lot easier and profitable to treat the symptom and not the problem.

[momma_unlimited]

I thought that it was interesting that he said that there was no need for sex before the fall, because there was no need for reproduction. Would the same logic apply to eating, and if so, why would God tell them what they could eat? Perhaps it is a different thing?

Actually, this makes a lot of sense to me; whereas today we eat food for physical reasons, it appears that in the garden, food imparted a spiritual nourishment or contained "life qualities"; the fruit of one tree would impart the knowledge of good and evil, the fruit of another, eternal life.

[saimeiyu]

Originally Posted by DahliaRW

I think a lot of it has to do with this: BC Pill = pharms and docs profit. NFP = no one makes any money off of it. So no wonder, with how the pharms are in this country at least, the pill is pushed so much. And depro...and iuds...etc.

You know what's funny is, that doctors totally COULD make money off of NFP- They could make almost ALL of it if they really wanted to. I mean, can you imagine what fantastic advertising the success ratio of a doctor could be if he or she just freaking PAID ATTENTION?
They could teach it, treat using it, and it would all be billable. They could actually treat women and get their issues resolved. They could have MORE patients because they'd spend less time seeing the same one over and over and over. And the patients they treat would be SO HAPPY about the doctor that treated them like a human being, that doctor would ALWAYS have business.

The thing is, that most pharmaceutical companies wouldn't make as much money. This, if nothing else, is a sad, sure indicator that doctors don't run the medical profession.

[1littlebit]

they make lots of money off of pregnancies (well OBs anyways) youd think they would be into NFP since they have so little faith in it..

i have had better luck with fertility awareness then have HBC

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Bluegoat

A very interesting article. I thought that it was interesting that he said that there was no need for sex before the fall, because there was no need for reproduction. Would the same logic apply to eating, and if so, why would God tell them what they could eat? Perhaps it is a different thing?

Wait a minute. It's been a while since I thought about this. But at the creation museum, for example, they teach there was no death before the fall- so yeah, why the lesson on who you can/can not kill? That is worth considering.

Originally Posted by saimeiyu

I think one of the primary reasons it's so hard to find good information about NFP/FAM is that doctors get the 28-day spiel in med school, qualified by the "but some women are different" disclaimer, and then that's it. They don't ever go into the hows/whys of how the women are "different". Most doctors don't even realize that it's only the pre-ovulation phase that really changes. They don't think of the menstrual cycle in phases it's just one big long cycle, menstruating or getting ready to menstruate/pregnant.

No, I am pretty sure they know about the cycle. My god, the classes I had to take before I was even an EMT went into it, in great detail. And then another class that was my nursing school pre-req (same class as teh pre-med pre-req as I was pre-med at the time, probably my physiology class). And then during nursing school.

Originally Posted by Bluegoat

I think we've also had a change in culture, which tends to tell us that we have a right, or a need, to have sex whenever we want, which is strange really when you think about it. After all, many people aren't in a position to have sex even when pregnancy isn't an issue at all, because they don't have anyone to have sex with. So far, I don't know of any that have actually curled up and died.

I think I have a right to have sex with whoever wants to have sex with me, if I want to why wouldn't I?

Originally Posted by 1littlebit

does any one else find it a bit unsetting that they don't teach OBs and GYNs anything in depth about fertility cycles?

THEY DO! I swear they do.

Originally Posted by eilonwy

Not to get involved in the discussion, but does this apply exclusively to birth control? Because I have to tell you that 99% of individuals I've encountered on ANY kind of medication don't know most of the stuff that's in the fine print with their prescriptions' inserts.

Totally, I never get teh "full disclosure" on any med I am prescribed.

Originally Posted by Freud

I have a coulpe of friends who are OB GYNs and they both say that they WERE educated on women's menstrual/fertility cycles in depth. Hopefully the school who are not teaching this are few and far between.

Yep.

Sorry for the big multi quote. Trying to post while my kids are eating.